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NewNuneatonfox

Team For Middlesbrough

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marbelladave

marbelladave

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Weale

Lamey

Vitor

Hobbs

Kennedy

Moreno

Wellens

King

Gallagher

Campbell

Fryatt

Actually I can kind of see where you are coming from, midfield diamond with Gallagher at the tip and Moreno holding, width from pacy full backs and quick forwards inviting passing into feet.

We get worse efforts than that on here most days...:thumbup:

Personally I worry about leaving out Berner, he has a very steadying effect on what is now a somewhat jumpy defence and I would replace Wellens with Dyer in more of a 4-3-3, so;

Weale



Lamey--Hobbs--Vitor--Berner

King-- Moreno

Gallagher

Dyer-- Fryatt-- Campbell

Bettsj2

Bettsj2

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Actually I can kind of see where you are coming from, midfield diamond with Gallagher at the tip and Moreno holding, width from pacy full backs and quick forwards inviting passing into feet.

We get worse efforts than that on here most days...:thumbup:

Personally I worry about leaving out Berner, he has a very steadying effect on what is now a somewhat jumpy defence and I would replace Wellens with Dyer in more of a 4-3-3, so;

Weale



Lamey--Hobbs--Vitor--Berner

King-- Moreno

Gallagher

Dyer-- Fryatt-- Campbell

That team looks like absolute golddust.

By far the best suggestion.

Corky

Corky

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Weale

Neilson

Hobbs

Moreno

Berner

Dyer

Wellens

King

Gallagher

Fryatt

Campbell

This was a tough choice up front, Big Steve has been playing well enough to justify a start but I feel he's a good impact player so could be better used from the bench.

Houdini Logic

Houdini Logic

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Actually I can kind of see where you are coming from, midfield diamond with Gallagher at the tip and Moreno holding, width from pacy full backs and quick forwards inviting passing into feet.

We get worse efforts than that on here most days...:thumbup:

Personally I worry about leaving out Berner, he has a very steadying effect on what is now a somewhat jumpy defence and I would replace Wellens with Dyer in more of a 4-3-3, so;

Weale



Lamey--Hobbs--Vitor--Berner

King-- Moreno

Gallagher

Dyer-- Fryatt-- Campbell

Good to see different formations, but this doesn't do it for me -

Vitor isn't fit and has never played English football

Lamey looked good, but that was one friendly - Neilson has been solid so far this season so why turf him out?

King and Moreno have never played together and a 2/3 midfield isn't the best idea with our current defensive 'issues'

Howard? If you really want to sneak in DJ then for me it has to be Fryatt that goes

The problems against Macclesfield was not going forward so I'm not sure why you'd change the formation to 4-3-3

scinnell

scinnell

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------------------------------------Weale---------------------------------------

------------------Hobbs------------------------Vitor-------------------------

Neilson------------------------------------------------------Berner---------

-----------------------------------Moreno-------------------------------------

--------------King------------------------------Wellens---------------------

--DJ----------------------------------------------------------Fryatt-----------

--------------------------------Howard---------------------------------------

SUBS.

Logan

Larmy

Morrison

Oakley

Dyer (impact sub)

N'Guesson (impact sub)

Gallagher

Crcnic

scinnell

scinnell

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Weale

Neilson

Hobbs

Moreno

Berner

Dyer

Wellens

King

Gallagher

Fryatt

Campbell

This was a tough choice up front, Big Steve has been playing well enough to justify a start but I feel he's a good impact player so could be better used from the bench.

I think We need someone who can win physical battles upfront and the only player who can do that is Howard, he takes on the big defender (Wheater) Which leaves Fryatt or DJ with miles of space to use his pace and break through the Defence.

darko2k7

darko2k7

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I would like us to play a 4-2-3-1 system think i would suit the attacking style bit with the two CM's being the link between defence and attack

-----------------------------------------Weale

Neilson-------------Moreno-------------Hobbs.--------------------Berner

-----------------------------King------------------ Wellens

Dyer--------------------------------Fryatt-------------------------------Gallagher

-------------------------------------Campbell

I think fryatt played really well in pre-season when he played just behind DJ

lcfc_forever

lcfc_forever

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My formation would be 4-2-1-3:

GK: Weale

RB: Neilson

CB: Hobbs

CB: Moreno

LB: Berner

CM: King

CM: Wellens

ACM: Gallagher

LF: Fryatt

RF: Dyer

CF: Campbell

Subs:

Howard

Logan

Morrison

Vitor

N'Guessan

Oakley

Kennedy

Flynny

Flynny

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My formation would be 4-2-1-3:

GK: Weale

RB: Neilson

CB: Hobbs

CB: Moreno

LB: Berner

CM: King

CM: Wellens

ACM: Gallagher

LF: Fryatt

RF: Dyer

CF: Campbell

Subs:

Howard

Logan

Morrison

Vitor

N'Guessan

Oakley

Kennedy

Makes very little sense to stick something of a playmaker and a goal-scoring midfielder into withdrawn holding roles. Doesn't play to our strengths.

Guest ttfn

Guest ttfn

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Assuming Vitor's fit, it's got to be:

Weale

Neilson

Hobbs

Vitor

Berner

Wellens

King

Gallagher

Dyer

Fryatt

Campbell

The 4-3-3 with Fryatt down the centre and DJ wide got given about 2 minutes against Palace - I'd like to see more of it. Campbell looks a totally different player when given the space to run in to.

Anybody who doesn't think Dyer should be selected needs their head examining. He was dynamite on Saturday.

Unluckily for Big Steve, I have a feeling he's going to be the archetypal impact sub this season.

marbelladave

marbelladave

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Good to see different formations, but this doesn't do it for me -

Vitor isn't fit and has never played English football

Lamey looked good, but that was one friendly - Neilson has been solid so far this season so why turf him out?

King and Moreno have never played together and a 2/3 midfield isn't the best idea with our current defensive 'issues'

Howard? If you really want to sneak in DJ then for me it has to be Fryatt that goes

The problems against Macclesfield was not going forward so I'm not sure why you'd change the formation to 4-3-3

My post follows up an earlier post discussing my theoretical 'ideal' selection, assuming every one is fit and raring to go. Vitor clearly is not, even more so after last night and Neilson is currently playing well so your points are well taken, I should have been clearer, particularly given the title of the thread.

The selection of King and Moreno is specifically to address our defensive issues, Moreno is supposed to be a good holding player and King is our best all round midfielder so having those two shield the back 4 seems sensible to be. With luck Moreno will be good enough to let King play his usual box to box game and as long as we get some defensive effort from Gallagher that should be fine.

Again you are right that, at this moment, Howard is much stronger and more involved than Fryatt but despite all his physicality and commitment I remain of the view that he creates very little. Against Palace we created the better chances before the arrival of Howard and despite being totally in control it took us 25+ minutes to get the second goal and even that came from out wide, not down the middle, very un-Howard like. To my mind if Fryatt is in any kind of form he is far more likely to score or create a goal even though he is nothing like as involved as Howard.

You are right, the problems are defensive, not going forward which is why I want two central midfielders who are competent defensively, which to my mind none of our other options are.

Houdini Logic

Houdini Logic

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My post follows up an earlier post discussing my theoretical 'ideal' selection, assuming every one is fit and raring to go. Vitor clearly is not, even more so after last night and Neilson is currently playing well so your points are well taken, I should have been clearer, particularly given the title of the thread.

The selection of King and Moreno is specifically to address our defensive issues, Moreno is supposed to be a good holding player and King is our best all round midfielder so having those two shield the back 4 seems sensible to be. With luck Moreno will be good enough to let King play his usual box to box game and as long as we get some defensive effort from Gallagher that should be fine.

Again you are right that, at this moment, Howard is much stronger and more involved than Fryatt but despite all his physicality and commitment I remain of the view that he creates very little. Against Palace we created the better chances before the arrival of Howard and despite being totally in control it took us 25+ minutes to get the second goal and even that came from out wide, not down the middle, very un-Howard like. To my mind if Fryatt is in any kind of form he is far more likely to score or create a goal even though he is nothing like as involved as Howard.

You are right, the problems are defensive, not going forward which is why I want two central midfielders who are competent defensively, which to my mind none of our other options are.

I agree that King and Moreno would be the best choice if you wanted two defensive midfielders, but In the suggested formation I would worry that we don't have enough meat in the centre of midfield and for me that is exactly what we need to help our defence right now. Macclesfield is a good example of how an attacking 4 man midfield can ease the worries of the defence by consistantly pressuring the opposition. That's why I would go for Wellens and Moreno in a 4-4-2.

Howard is one of the most creative players we have and I never understand why people can't see that.

Fox92

Fox92

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This DJ love does my head in, Fryatt is our best goalscorer, Howard at the end of last season and so far this season has been immense, they have to start until one of them is injured, If DJ doesnt like it he can leave, in my eyes theres no place for someone thats consistently slagged us off for the last two years until he earns it,

In my opinion, DJ looked the most lively out of himself and Fryatt at Crystal Palace on Saturday. DJ Campbell held the ball up well, came deep to get it, where as Fryatt held it up well but didn't release it at the correct time.

I love Matty Fryatt, I love Stevie Howard but I love DJ Campbell at the same time. Yes, he did say something about the club, but now we have new staff, its a clean slate for everyone.

DJ Campbell -- Steve Howard would be my partneship, I am not doubting Matt Fryatt though, because he is a natural goalscorer.

marbelladave

marbelladave

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I agree that King and Moreno would be the best choice if you wanted two defensive midfielders, but In the suggested formation I would worry that we don't have enough meat in the centre of midfield and for me that is exactly what we need to help our defence right now.. That's why I would go for Wellens and Moreno in a 4-4-2.

Howard is one of the most creative players we have and I never understand why people can't see that.

I am not suggesting that Moreno and King are defensive players only, King (and maybe Moreno too) is certainly capable of more than just defending which is why I use the term 'defensively capable'. Ideally they would shield the back 4 and set up play with their passing skills and If Moreno does the holding role then King can get up and down as usual. Gallagher is not the most combative in midfield but he did well enough in Wellen's absence last season to suggest that, in combination with King and Moreno he would be enough.

You say " Macclesfield is a good example of how an attacking 4 man midfield can ease the worries of the defence by consistantly pressuring the opposition" yet we let in three goals, your logic escapes me there...:dunno: furthermore you appear to be dropping King, did you really mean to do that?

Regarding Howard, we will have to disagree on this one. I can see what he brings to the team in terms of involvement, effort and commitment and yes, I can see where he might be useful in physical encounters but I just don't see creative, sorry.

Houdini Logic

Houdini Logic

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I am not suggesting that Moreno and King are defensive players only, King (and maybe Moreno too) is certainly capable of more than just defending which is why I use the term 'defensively capable'. Ideally they would shield the back 4 and set up play with their passing skills and If Moreno does the holding role then King can get up and down as usual. Gallagher is not the most combative in midfield but he did well enough in Wellen's absence last season to suggest that, in combination with King and Moreno he would be enough.

You say " Macclesfield is a good example of how an attacking 4 man midfield can ease the worries of the defence by consistantly pressuring the opposition" yet we let in three goals, your logic escapes me there...:dunno: furthermore you appear to be dropping King, did you really mean to do that?

Regarding Howard, we will have to disagree on this one. I can see what he brings to the team in terms of involvement, effort and commitment and yes, I can see where he might be useful in physical encounters but I just don't see creative, sorry.

My logic is simple - I'm looking at the game and not the result. We played the majority of the game in midfield/their half and the lovely passing football was because we had a four man attacking midfield linking up well with our strikers. I think the game would have been very different if we played 2 midfielders in front of the back 4.

King and Wellens would usually form my midfield, but Moreno looks promising and if it's a choice between the two aforementioned then for me it's Wellens that stays.

marbelladave

marbelladave

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My logic is simple - I'm looking at the game and not the result. We played the majority of the game in midfield/their half and the lovely passing football was because we had a four man attacking midfield linking up well with our strikers. I think the game would have been very different if we played 2 midfielders in front of the back 4.

King and Wellens would usually form my midfield, but Moreno looks promising and if it's a choice between the two aforementioned then for me it's Wellens that stays.

Didn't see the Macclesfield game so can't comment on the performance but I was at Palace.

Against better opposition not having anyone effective in front of our back 4 was a big problem our defence was hopelessly exposed and it is this that I am trying to address. Going forward King was very impressive and I thought we lost something when Wellens came on, it seemed that Wellens took on the 'playmaker' role while King played more conservatively, to the overall detriment of our play. We were well in control yet we made better chances before the substitutions.

I have tried to make sense of this for some time but although Wellens and Howard are fiesty, combative and seemingly always involved, it seems to me that very little is actually achieved in terms of end product, that is goals scored and assists made.

I know that this is not a commonly held view and although I find myself warming to the effort and work these two put in, I can't help feeling that it should somehow produce more than it does.

Joe.

Joe.

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Would love to see:

Weale



Neilson --- Hobbs --- Moreno --- Berner

Wellens --- Oakley

King

Campbell --- Howard --- Fryatt

Front three there makes me feel moist. Far too attacking against Middlesbrough though, and cover for the full-backs would be scarily minimal.


From a more realistic point of view i think we'll be seeing something along the lines of:

Weale


Neilson --- Hobbs --- Moreno --- Berner

Dyer --- Wellens --- King --- Gallagher

Howard --- Campbelll

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