lcfc_jme Posted 6 March 2011 Posted 6 March 2011 How Carragher or Rafael weren't sent off today is beyond me. Phil Dowd is a terrible ref, and he looks so arrogant. Nani doesn't help himself at all, getting up to show his injury and then going down on the floor, crying, is embarrassing. Still two good games to watch today. Liverpool were good value for the win, although the goals weren't very far out, they simply wanted it more than United. Just goes to show what a big miss Rio and Vidic are for United. Man Utd had a fair bit of possession but anything decent that came their way they wasted. Makes it more interesting for the league. Some big games left for the title chasers. This, Rob. If it was that bad an injury, he wouldn't have been able to run over and show it off, he'd have just lay there in a heap. Carragher on second look should definitely have been sent off, though. Could SO easily have been a worse injury than it was. Saying that, if Rafael had caught the Liverpool player that would almost certainly have been a broken leg. Entirely reckless and I'm sure the only reason he got a yellow for it was 'cos Carragher had been let off one a minute or two earlier. Lucky, lucky boy.
Guest BlueBrett Posted 6 March 2011 Posted 6 March 2011 Third angle on that video looks like it's both feet to me. I suppose it probably was looking at that. Wouldn't have liked to see him get sent off for it though. Over exuberant and off balance rather than malicious I feel.
Guest BlueBrett Posted 6 March 2011 Posted 6 March 2011 Bloody hell! How did that happen? It's like he's just caved in! And isn't that where his shin pad should be?
Jackirius Posted 6 March 2011 Posted 6 March 2011 Looks like someone has been bashing away at it with one of these...
Jimothy Posted 6 March 2011 Posted 6 March 2011 Bloody hell! How did that happen? It's like he's just caved in! And isn't that where his shin pad should be? Think Carragher went over the shin pad and pulled it down scraping Nani with his studs. Still looks a lot of damage just for that though.
shen Posted 7 March 2011 Posted 7 March 2011 This, Rob. If it was that bad an injury, he wouldn't have been able to run over and show it off, he'd have just lay there in a heap. Carragher on second look should definitely have been sent off, though. Could SO easily have been a worse injury than it was. Saying that, if Rafael had caught the Liverpool player that would almost certainly have been a broken leg. Entirely reckless and I'm sure the only reason he got a yellow for it was 'cos Carragher had been let off one a minute or two earlier. Lucky, lucky boy. A friend of mine did his ligaments in a game but carried on, he only felt it the next day where he couldn't move his knee at all. Nani may not have known or felt the severity of his injury before foolishly getting up, but just because he did it doesn't mean it his injury wasn't very severe. Just wanted to point that out.
Tommeh Posted 7 March 2011 Posted 7 March 2011 Thought Dowd handled the game very well, not sending Carragher off however was an error, horrible challenge. Them Cards up the A50 come down and it'll really, really cushion the blow of us potentially not going up.
Bert Posted 7 March 2011 Posted 7 March 2011 A friend of mine did his ligaments in a game but carried on, he only felt it the next day where he couldn't move his knee at all. Nani may not have known or felt the severity of his injury before foolishly getting up, but just because he did it doesn't mean it his injury wasn't very severe. Just wanted to point that out. That wasn't the point though. It was pretty clear it was a serious injury. We were talking about the way he conducted himself. To get up and show your injury to try and get someone sent off, and then go down crying is embarassing and shows a massive lack of respect to not only to his, team and fans but to football.
accessory Posted 7 March 2011 Posted 7 March 2011 Let's not lose perspective. Yes it did look initially like Nani was crying wolf (which wouldn't exactly have been the first time) but Carragher's challenge was vile and cowardly, as was Dowd's reaction in not giving him a red card he deserved. Rafael's challenge wasn't that clever either, but the replay clearly shows that he was kicked on the thigh by Maxi seconds previously. As this and other recent games have shown, the current crop of English referees are not good enough for the Premier League. The FA should start recruiting throughout and beyond Europe to ensure we have refs of the highest quality. As far as the football's concerned, it's a sad reflection on the standard of the league that a United side in serious decline, who were pitiful yesterday, are still on course for a league and cup double.
Dickie Greenleaf Posted 7 March 2011 Posted 7 March 2011 Not a red card. Stears' a goal though. Not sure which incident you're referring to, but if its Carra, Rafael or Hutton, then you're wrong. + that Nani pic is faaaaaake
Finnegan Posted 7 March 2011 Posted 7 March 2011 Not sure which incident you're referring to, but if its Carra, Rafael or Hutton, then you're wrong. + that Nani pic is faaaaaake Carra and Rafael should have gone. Hutton wasn't denying a direct goal scoring opportunity, in my opinion. As was pointed out on here the other day, the law has nothing to do with being the last defender. I don't believe the Wolves player had full control of the ball and I think the keeper was in with a fair shout of getting it. Oh. And I hate to defend Nani and his conduct was poor (and that picture surely fake) but at the same time, adrenaline makes you do all sorts of mental things and temporarily kills a lot of pain. Who knows?
Dickie Greenleaf Posted 7 March 2011 Posted 7 March 2011 Aye, I know there's no rule about 'last man', but surely he was just going to bury that. Plus it 'clear goalscoring opportunity. Doesnt have to be a nailed on, no doubt about it, tap-in. Tackles like carragher's just strengthen the case for retrospective action
Finnegan Posted 7 March 2011 Posted 7 March 2011 Rafael's was just as bad (if not worse,) he got kicked in the leg, got a rush of blood to the head and went lunging in two footed like a bad man. The fact the man got out of the way doesn't make the intent any less an issue.
shen Posted 7 March 2011 Posted 7 March 2011 That wasn't the point though. It was pretty clear it was a serious injury. We were talking about the way he conducted himself. To get up and show your injury to try and get someone sent off, and then go down crying is embarassing and shows a massive lack of respect to not only to his, team and fans but to football. He had just made a serious mistake which his team were never likely to recover from, he has been tackled at knees height by a reckless Carragher, it hurt like hell and the referee isn't instantly flashing a red card when it was fully justified to do so. I'd be bloody pissed off as well and would have had an irresistible urge to punch Carragher in the face. Maybe it's not his reaction as much as the theatrical fall once he stood up, which brought on negative reactions (Gerrard inclusive, who must feel just a little ashamed of himself). But because it's Nani who has a reputation, people are quick to judge him. If that had been Giggs on the end of that tackle and he reacted in that way, most would have been sympathetic.
shen Posted 7 March 2011 Posted 7 March 2011 Hutton wasn't denying a direct goal scoring opportunity, in my opinion. As was pointed out on here the other day, the law has nothing to do with being the last defender. I don't believe the Wolves player had full control of the ball and I think the keeper was in with a fair shout of getting it. Sorry, but I disagree. If the referee whistles for a foul in that position, he has the option of giving a penalty without a card or a penalty and a red card. It was either accidental in which case he shouldn't get a card or there was intent, and being the last man and arguably denying a goal scoring opportunity, it should have resulted in a red. The ref clearly thought there was intent as he flashed the yellow, but it makes no sense at all. The ref didn't go by the rules, I'm pretty convinced of that.
Bert Posted 7 March 2011 Posted 7 March 2011 Carra and Rafael should have gone. Hutton wasn't denying a direct goal scoring opportunity, in my opinion. As was pointed out on here the other day, the law has nothing to do with being the last defender. I don't believe the Wolves player had full control of the ball and I think the keeper was in with a fair shout of getting it. Oh. And I hate to defend Nani and his conduct was poor (and that picture surely fake) but at the same time, adrenaline makes you do all sorts of mental things and temporarily kills a lot of pain. Who knows? Really? If he'd not been pulled back he'd have had a chance of a clear shot on goal, five yards out. You can't get much clearer than that. We'd be livid as leicester fans if that was against us.
Finnegan Posted 7 March 2011 Posted 7 March 2011 Really? If he'd not been pulled back he'd have had a chance of a clear shot on goal, five yards out. You can't get much clearer than that. We'd be livid as leicester fans if that was against us. Yet a surprising amount of people said the ref made the right decision when not sending off the keeper that brought down Vassell over the Christmas period (Schmeichel vs Leeds was it?) I thought that was far more clear cut, personally.
Jackirius Posted 7 March 2011 Posted 7 March 2011 The picture isn't fake, if you watched when it happened carefully it came up on the TV. Look at a lot of the main newspapers, they have that exact picture it in them today. e.g http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3449871/Manchester-United-furious-at-Jamie-Carraghers-tackle-on-Nani.html
Dickie Greenleaf Posted 7 March 2011 Posted 7 March 2011 Ah yes that bastion of accuracy, truth, and thoroughly researched articles, The Sun.
Jackirius Posted 7 March 2011 Posted 7 March 2011 Ah yes that bastion of accuracy, truth, and thoroughly researched articles, The Sun. Look at some of the other papers then, or actually even better watch the match and not just the highlights on Match of the day 2. Do you really think a national newspaper is going to publish an article about the injury and the picture if they weren't 100% sure of its authenticity? http://www.epltalk.com/nanis-horrific-injury-from-jamie-carraghers-tackle-photos-29893 http://football-talk.co.uk/16018/photo-sickening-image-of-nani-injury-after-disgusting-carragher-tackle/ etc
The Doctor Posted 7 March 2011 Posted 7 March 2011 Look at some of the other papers then, or actually even better watch the match and not just the highlights on Match of the day 2. Do you really think a national newspaper is going to publish an article about the injury and the picture if they weren't 100% sure of its authenticity? http://www.epltalk.c...le-photos-29893 http://football-talk...rragher-tackle/ etc you've never read the sun have you?
MikeyT Posted 7 March 2011 Posted 7 March 2011 cheeeeeerz General sport section then Premier League. Thread there for Premiership. http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=67287&st=2360 For stream: Sopcast channel 6816
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