Jordan Posted 9 November 2010 Posted 9 November 2010 I don't see what's so wrong with a genuine anti-war protest in response to the club promoting what, err... may not be entirely unreasonably considered a provocative political gesture... well, so as long as it's not followed by a "P.I.R.A." chant. BTW, clubs embracing the Poppy Appeal have nothing on what American sports franchises push on their fans. I just wish a few of us over here would push back like that against messages that are much less innocuous.
accessory Posted 9 November 2010 Posted 9 November 2010 Remember that Celtic's current chairman is John Reid, a central figure in the government that took us into war in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Indeed, many across the political spectrum, not just militant provos (with whom Reid used to be on VERY good terms when seeking a Parliamentary seat), would regard him as a war criminal. While not condoning the actions of the Green Brigade, their banner does not to be placed in some kind of context.
Fosse Boy Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 Green Brigade statement. At half-time during today’s match against Aberdeen we displayed message banners calling for ‘No bloodstained poppys on our hoops’ in protest at the Club’s decision to once again wear the poppy on our shirts during next week’s game at St Mirren (a match our group will not attend because of this decision). This is in support of an appeal by Poppyscotland to all SPL clubs. Poppyscotland describes its role as ‘supporting heroes’ and state that ‘the poppy has become a symbol of remembrance and for the sacrifices made by our Armed Forces’. Our group and many within the Celtic support do not recognise the British Armed Forces as heroes, nor their role in many conflicts as one worthy of our remembrance. Earlier this year, the Saville Report on Bloody Sunday confirmed that 14 unarmed civilians were murdered in Derry in 1972 by the Paratroop Regiment. They were among hundreds killed by the British Army during the most recent phase of conflict in Ireland. More recently, the British Armed Forces have murdered and maimed many thousands more innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. The poppy remembers not just our grandfathers who fought the Nazis but also those who bombed the Belgrano and brutally occupied the streets of Belfast and Basra. While we recognise the right of individuals to remember their dead and that many within the Celtic support will wear the poppy in memory of family and friends lost in WW2 and other conflicts, we cannot accept the imposition of the poppy onto our shirts. As far back as April, representatives from the Green Brigade, Celtic Supporters Association and Celtic Trust met with Peter Lawwell to express our united opposition to the Club imposing the poppy on the first team jersey. We also know that the AICSC and many other individual supporters had called on the Club to reverse their position of previous years and take the poppy off the shirt. Following our meeting in April, the Club were contacted on several occasions for further dialogue on the issue but informed us that they were still considering their position and would get back to us. The first any group knew of the decision was after it had been made, and publicly announced. We share the views of the AICSC whose recent statement on the poppy stated that ‘to see the jersey being used as a medium for such a divisive symbol and the message it communicates is deplorable’, and that it showed a complete lack of respect for the support, further highlighted by repeated declarations on the official website of Celtic’s delight to be wearing the poppy and supporting Poppyscotland. It appears rather than leave his politics at the door, chairman John Reid, the former Armed Forces Minister and Secretary of State for Northern Ireland and Defence, has forced his onto the first team jersey. As you may have noticed at today's game, we mistakenly missed out the 'D' in 'bloodstained'. This happened in the rush to finish two displays for today's game (with our 'Show the SFA the red card' action before the match the other). The real mistake, however, is the Club forcing the poppy onto our shirt.
Mack Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 This is nothing new, they show themselves up time and time again and get away with it. As far as I'm concerned it's long overdue that we placed a few devices along the border and sent jockoland floating off away somewhere else. After all, these ****s want continental time anyway...
Finnegan Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 I'd much rather a British Isles where the jingoist, xenophobic section of English society with nothing but spite for their neighbours pissed off to the Falklands (or somewhere equally flag-wavey) and left the rest of us to be moderate and rational.
Mack Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 I'd much rather a British Isles where the jingoist, xenophobic section of English society with nothing but spite for their neighbours pissed off to the Falklands (or somewhere equally flag-wavey) and left the rest of us to be moderate and rational. You see this is where it goes tits up for me. If Jocks, Taffs and Micks were'nt so bitter about England and 'The English' then there would'nt be a problem. And if I was'nt constantly faced with anti English / British Isles bollocks from Scots/Welsh and Irish then I would be happy to see us all get along, lord knows we all have enough problems. But sadly all these nations are full of pricks who are constantly mugging themselves off disrespecting England and moreover the British Isles. I was in a shop yesterday and saw some 'Anyone but England' t shirts for Jocks that were sold during the World Cup. How muggy is that? You also see all the time cars with Scots/Welsh flags on them but never ever a British Isles flag. And when do you ever hear a Scotsman or a Welshman ever say anything positive or nice about England or the union of the British Isles?? If the Jocks and Welsh hate England and the British Isles union so much then jog on, and you can forget anymore hand outs from Westminster!
Fosse Boy Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 Anyone else have any idea what a "British Isles" flag is?
Mack Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 Anyone else have any idea what a "British Isles" flag is? The union jack pedant. Cardiff refusing to represent the English FA in European competition. Some of the scum that are Celtic fans. The joke that is the SNP that demands independence then bemoans the amount handed out from Westminster. Jocks wanting to go onto continental time. Plaid Cymru and their fickle attempts to gang up on the British Government with the SNP at the last election in a vain attempt to get a bigger hand out. Cardiff fans singing anti-English songs all around the country. "Anyone but England" t shirts being sold to Irish, Scots and Welsh at the last World cup. I could go on.
Mack Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 Stuff like this... Celtic fans singing 'Glasgow Celtic IRA' while at Manchester...
FoxyPV Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 You see this is where it goes tits up for me. If Jocks, Taffs and Micks were'nt so bitter about England and 'The English' then there would'nt be a problem. And if I was'nt constantly faced with anti English / British Isles bollocks from Scots/Welsh and Irish then I would be happy to see us all get along, lord knows we all have enough problems. But sadly all these nations are full of pricks who are constantly mugging themselves off disrespecting England and moreover the British Isles. I was in a shop yesterday and saw some 'Anyone but England' t shirts for Jocks that were sold during the World Cup. How muggy is that? You also see all the time cars with Scots/Welsh flags on them but never ever a British Isles flag. And when do you ever hear a Scotsman or a Welshman ever say anything positive or nice about England or the union of the British Isles?? If the Jocks and Welsh hate England and the British Isles union so much then jog on, and you can forget anymore hand outs from Westminster! I know. I think we should forget about the fact that we were colonised for our own good and that it has completely fooked up where I live. At least with ABE shirts etc there is an actual basis for the hatred rather than some other bollox ie ABU. A British Isles flag I would assume is a Union Jack.
Finnegan Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 You see this is where it goes tits up for me. If Jocks, Taffs and Micks were'nt so bitter about England and 'The English' then there would'nt be a problem. And if I was'nt constantly faced with anti English / British Isles bollocks from Scots/Welsh and Irish then I would be happy to see us all get along, lord knows we all have enough problems. But sadly all these nations are full of pricks who are constantly mugging themselves off disrespecting England and moreover the British Isles. I was in a shop yesterday and saw some 'Anyone but England' t shirts for Jocks that were sold during the World Cup. How muggy is that? You also see all the time cars with Scots/Welsh flags on them but never ever a British Isles flag. And when do you ever hear a Scotsman or a Welshman ever say anything positive or nice about England or the union of the British Isles?? If the Jocks and Welsh hate England and the British Isles union so much then jog on, and you can forget anymore hand outs from Westminster! So, basically, you're butthurt because you can't take a bit of banter? If the Welsh, Irish or Scottish are bitter then quite frankly they probably have some right to be. You know, centuries of being colonized, having their languages and cultures outlawed, their natural resources taken and their autonomy stripped? I'm old enough and mature enough now to appreciate Wales' part in Great Britain and the good that Britain has done for Wales hand in hand with the ill. I know Wales would never really survive as a stand alone nation and I gave up believing in Welsh independence as soon as I grew a brain in my late teens. But I'd still maintain that the Celtic nations typically have more right to hold a grudge than the people that put those hardships on them. And at the end of the day, these days, it's not serious bitterness is it? It's just a bit of banter. You think "Anyone But England" or "Whoever England Are Playing" is serious hatred? Grow up, it's a bit of a mess about. It's no different to you calling us sheep shaggers or a small town in England or whatever else - plus it's about the best entertainment we can have in a World Cup given that we never bloody qualify. Besides, you ask Sparky the last time he cheered the Welsh on in the rugby? I think you'll find that "Whoever You're Playing" swings both ways. As for the Irish, eh, I think that's a little closer to the bone. If you're dismissing them as simply "bitter" over British involvement in the Troubles, Brittish occupations and the horrendous treatment of the Irish by British soldiers and Black and Tans during the War of Independence and suggesting they should just "get over it" and "fuck off" then I think you're being hugely disrespectful, to be perfectly honest.
Dr The Singh Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 So, basically, you're butthurt because you can't take a bit of banter? Now everybody sing .'god save our gracious queeeeeen, long live our noble queeeeeen, god save our queeeen...'
Finnegan Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 Now everybody sing .'god save our gracious queeeeeen, long live our noble queeeeeen, god save our queeeen...' BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Dr The Singh Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Get out my country you barsteward, if you don't like it foook off back where you came from!!!
Edmund Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 It's only a game of football for fucks sake. I never understand why the Scottish have to attach it to religion and politics. Just seems like they do it to beg attention from the English as no one cares about their mickey mouse league.
Webbo Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 If the Welsh, Irish or Scottish are bitter then quite frankly they probably have some right to be. You know, centuries of being colonized, having their languages and cultures outlawed, their natural resources taken and their autonomy stripped? Scotland joined the union voluntarily on condition that we took on their national debt caused by their failed attempt at colonialismDarien. They joined on quite good terms for them and have enjoyed higher than English govt spending per head ever since. I know since the discovery of North sea oil ( a good proportion of which would be in English waters if there ever was a split) that some have now decided that they are being oppressed but in truth they don't have a lot to complain about.
Guest Bilo Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 You see this is where it goes tits up for me. If Jocks, Taffs and Micks were'nt so bitter about England and 'The English' then there would'nt be a problem. And if I was'nt constantly faced with anti English / British Isles bollocks from Scots/Welsh and Irish then I would be happy to see us all get along, lord knows we all have enough problems. But sadly all these nations are full of pricks who are constantly mugging themselves off disrespecting England and moreover the British Isles. I was in a shop yesterday and saw some 'Anyone but England' t shirts for Jocks that were sold during the World Cup. How muggy is that? You also see all the time cars with Scots/Welsh flags on them but never ever a British Isles flag. And when do you ever hear a Scotsman or a Welshman ever say anything positive or nice about England or the union of the British Isles?? If the Jocks and Welsh hate England and the British Isles union so much then jog on, and you can forget anymore hand outs from Westminster! I think you missed out the Jews. (Sam Tyler, Life on Mars, 2008) Joking aside, I think you'd be harder pressed than you think to find actual, seething Anglophobia in Wales or Scotland than you're making out. I find a lot of Cardiff fans to be a bunch of idiots personally, but can you blame them for singing anti-English songs when they hear God Save The Queen, Ingerlund and sheep shagging songs from every club they play apart from Swansea? It's more banter than anything else, responding to witless crap with witless crap. Same with Scottish football fans, they may look a pack of idiots waving the flags of any nation England play and idolising Maradona for his Hand of God goal but is this proper hatred of the English like, dare I say it, Muslims have to endure from the EDL? Is it buggery. It's banter. Piss poor, slightly tinpot banter but that's all. I personally just laughed when I first saw the ABE shirts because they were just that little bit too childish to be taken seriously. As for seeing Welsh flags on cars, look at a typical away end on any given game in the Football League (not at the Walkers obviously, fire hazard) and see the numbers of England flags and Royal Navy ensigns with the club name emblazoned across them. Is that showing disrespect for Welsh and Scottish fans? No, it's just showing pride in your own country. There probably is a bit more real anti-English feeling in Ireland but really, can you blame them? I'm not about to don the hair shirt to prove a point or anything but it's quite understandable that an 800 year occupation taking in massacres and humiliation from the time of Oliver Cromwell right through to the 1970s has caused a spot of animosity. I'm not saying this excuses all anti-English racism in Ireland because I believe that racism is also fundamentally wrong but to totally dismiss this bitterness as the whining of a few stroppy Paddies is a tad ignorant.
Finnegan Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 Scotland joined the union voluntarily on condition that we took on their national debt caused by their failed attempt at colonialismDarien. They joined on quite good terms for them and have enjoyed higher than English govt spending per head ever since. I know since the discovery of North sea oil ( a good proportion of which would be in English waters if there ever was a split) that some have now decided that they are being oppressed but in truth they don't have a lot to complain about. Aye, I've certainly less patience for Scottish whinging than our own but at the same time it's not really as if they ever successfully occupied and crushed most of England at any significant point during history either.
Ross-Kemp Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 The pope - leader of the worlds biggest peadophile group. If us rangers fans held that up in the ground, well, you can just imagine it now !
Finnegan Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 The pope - leader of the worlds biggest peadophile group. If us rangers fans held that up in the ground, well, you can just imagine it now ! Completely incomparable and the fact you think otherwise is exactly why Rangers fans will always be the marginally bigger twats. Anyway, aren't you a City fan?
Fosse Boy Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 The pope - leader of the worlds biggest peadophile group. If us rangers fans held that up in the ground, well, you can just imagine it now ! The Green Brigade are anti-Secterian and largely an anti-religious group. This debate has nowt to do with religion.
lcfc"weasel" Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 The Green Brigade are anti-Secterian and largely an anti-religious group. This debate has nowt to do with religion. The Green Brigade are the dogs bollocks, besides there stance on the poppy.
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