Ross-Kemp Posted 11 November 2010 Posted 11 November 2010 Finnegan, I'm a leicester fan and a rangers fan. Always have been.
Finnegan Posted 11 November 2010 Posted 11 November 2010 What is your Rangers connection, if I may ask?
Ross-Kemp Posted 11 November 2010 Posted 11 November 2010 Father followed them since he was 18, I try to get myself up there 3/4 times a seaon myself. Father followed them since he was 18, I try to get myself up there 3/4 times a season myself.
Guest BlueBrett Posted 11 November 2010 Posted 11 November 2010 All this over some bloody poppies. If the Celtic gimps don't agree with the official purpose of the poppy why don't they just attach their own significance to it? We all have things/people worthy of remembrance. The troubles in Ireland should not overpower the general seniment behind poppy wearing which is that it is important to remember those who have given or risked their lives for our freedoms. Everyone know that atrocities have taken place in wars but that is all part and parcel of the 'lest we forget'. To wear a poppy is not to voice political support for government decisions of years gone by, nor does sit represent a refusal to recognise regrettable incidents. It is about making a small effort to demonstrate that the individuals who have no say in if when or where wars are fought but nevertheless put themselves on the line for the rest of us do not do so in vain or without our gratitude. To politicise the issue is disgusting and whoever thought up those banners should be ashamed. If you don't want to wear a poppy for whatever reason then by all means don't but at least have the decency to pipe the fook down while the rest of us remember our dead.
FoxyPV Posted 11 November 2010 Posted 11 November 2010 All this over some bloody poppies. If the Celtic gimps don't agree with the official purpose of the poppy why don't they just attach their own significance to it? We all have things/people worthy of remembrance. The troubles in Ireland should not overpower the general seniment behind poppy wearing which is that it is important to remember those who have given or risked their lives for our freedoms. Everyone know that atrocities have taken place in wars but that is all part and parcel of the 'lest we forget'. To wear a poppy is not to voice political support for government decisions of years gone by, nor does sit represent a refusal to recognise regrettable incidents. It is about making a small effort to demonstrate that the individuals who have no say in if when or where wars are fought but nevertheless put themselves on the line for the rest of us do not do so in vain or without our gratitude. To politicise the issue is disgusting and whoever thought up those banners should be ashamed. If you don't want to wear a poppy for whatever reason then by all means don't but at least have the decency to pipe the fook down while the rest of us remember our dead. This where it goes wrong - remembering the war dead from WW1 + WW2 who were conscripted The rest were a case of soldiers doing the job that they chose. They didn't choose to go to war but it is what they train for. No thanks.
Finnegan Posted 11 November 2010 Posted 11 November 2010 With the greatest respect, matey, who the absolute fook are you to tell people what significance to attach? In the same generation as the Great War and the losses the poppy represents, the same armed force waged a brutal and violent campaign to surpress growing republicanism in Ireland. In one of the darker hours of British history, our military occupation of Ireland left many well documented stories of awful oppression and some painfully deep scars. Whether it is right to use a Glasgow football club to voice these politics I do not know. But belittling a nation's justified resentment for an icon of British military imperialism, however noble a symbol it may be, is exactly the sort of cultural arrogance and jingoism that has oft' given our nation a poor name.
Guest BlueBrett Posted 11 November 2010 Posted 11 November 2010 The poppy is not an icon of British military imperialism. It represents the remembrance of the dead and wounded on all sides of any given conflict. I said people can attach their own significance because it is a symbol that is supposed to transcend politics and has nothing to do with championing one side or the other or claiming 'our dead are more worthy than yours'. I have always understood it as a comment on the brutality of war, which is surely something the Irish can appreciate as much as anybody else.
Finnegan Posted 11 November 2010 Posted 11 November 2010 One would assume that, given it is a custom not observed (and even sometimes frowned upon) in Ireland, our cousins over the sea are not in agreement. And as I say again, who are you to lecture them to the contrary?
LCFC-ARAB Posted 11 November 2010 Posted 11 November 2010 Does anyone else do the whole poppy thing or is it just britain?
FoxyPV Posted 11 November 2010 Posted 11 November 2010 The poppy is not an icon of British military imperialism. It represents the remembrance of the dead and wounded on all sides of any given conflict. I said people can attach their own significance because it is a symbol that is supposed to transcend politics and has nothing to do with championing one side or the other or claiming 'our dead are more worthy than yours'. I have always understood it as a comment on the brutality of war, which is surely something the Irish can appreciate as much as anybody else. You'll find that it is especially when you live in a divided society because of said imperialism. It's not in England because you were the coloniser and generally don't see the wrong in your actions. The poppy has been hijacked to commerate all war dead (with some exceptionally dubious wars) when it was only meant for those who died in WW1 then extended to WW2 because these soldiers for the most part were conscripted. All soldiers now choose to join the army and to be perfectly blunt about it they all know that if the army is at war there is a good chance they will be serving and quite possibly dying as part of their job.
FoxyPV Posted 11 November 2010 Posted 11 November 2010 Does anyone else do the whole poppy thing or is it just britain? Linkity link
Fosse Boy Posted 11 November 2010 Posted 11 November 2010 I wore it today as a mark of respect for my ancestors who fought in both World Wars. I may consider a white poppy instead next year though. The more I read about the RBL's political standpoints on present conflicts the less I like it to be honest.
phillip j fry Posted 11 November 2010 Posted 11 November 2010 did anyone else see the report about cameron and the rest of the trade delegation being asked to remove poppies while in china,they thought that he was taking the piss over the opium wars in the 18'00s.another rotten piece of our colonial past that is ignored by our education system.
Webbo Posted 11 November 2010 Posted 11 November 2010 did anyone else see the report about cameron and the rest of the trade delegation being asked to remove poppies while in china,they thought that he was taking the piss over the opium wars in the 18'00s.another rotten piece of our colonial past that is ignored by our education system. Yes, China has every right to complain about countries that invade other countries, suppress their culture and oppress their population.
The Doctor Posted 11 November 2010 Posted 11 November 2010 Same with Scottish football fans, they may look a pack of idiots waving the flags of any nation England play and idolising Maradona for his Hand of God goal but is this proper hatred of the English like, dare I say it, Muslims have to endure from the EDL? Is it buggery. It's banter. Piss poor, slightly tinpot banter but that's all. I personally just laughed when I first saw the ABE shirts because they were just that little bit too childish to be taken seriously. Pretty much this. I can't speak for the rest of the nation but i don't actually hate the english. I mock them for failure in football, rugby etc. but thats more out of being jealous since our football team hasn't qualified for a major tournament in 12 years and our rugby team battling it out with italy to avoid the wooden spoon in ever six nations. Truth be told we haven't had much sporting success in a while so, i at least, mock the english and revel in their failure because seeing them fail make me feel like we are less shit than we actually are.
Sparky Posted 11 November 2010 Posted 11 November 2010 So, basically, you're butthurt because you can't take a bit of banter? If the Welsh, Irish or Scottish are bitter then quite frankly they probably have some right to be. You know, centuries of being colonized, having their languages and cultures outlawed, their natural resources taken and their autonomy stripped? I'm old enough and mature enough now to appreciate Wales' part in Great Britain and the good that Britain has done for Wales hand in hand with the ill. I know Wales would never really survive as a stand alone nation and I gave up believing in Welsh independence as soon as I grew a brain in my late teens. But I'd still maintain that the Celtic nations typically have more right to hold a grudge than the people that put those hardships on them. And at the end of the day, these days, it's not serious bitterness is it? It's just a bit of banter. You think "Anyone But England" or "Whoever England Are Playing" is serious hatred? Grow up, it's a bit of a mess about. It's no different to you calling us sheep shaggers or a small town in England or whatever else - plus it's about the best entertainment we can have in a World Cup given that we never bloody qualify. Besides, you ask Sparky the last time he cheered the Welsh on in the rugby? I think you'll find that "Whoever You're Playing" swings both ways. As for the Irish, eh, I think that's a little closer to the bone. If you're dismissing them as simply "bitter" over British involvement in the Troubles, Brittish occupations and the horrendous treatment of the Irish by British soldiers and Black and Tans during the War of Independence and suggesting they should just "get over it" and "fook off" then I think you're being hugely disrespectful, to be perfectly honest. Too be honest i see the Welsh and the Scots as rivals on the sporting field, for me its no different to checking teletext (if anyone still does that) and laughing cause Forest are 3 down to Rochdale. I have Welsh and Scottish friends who enjoy the banter and give as good as they get. Off the sporting field i have no issues with either nation.
BlueSi13 Posted 13 November 2010 Posted 13 November 2010 Thats right because not a single Irishman has committed murder on innocents in the name of his or her country....wait hang on. Those in glass houses... Not surprising at all from the Nazi loving slime. "Best fans in the world" My arse!
purpleronnie Posted 13 November 2010 Posted 13 November 2010 So get ready for a load more posts after the st mirren v celtic minutes 'silence'.
Finnegan Posted 14 November 2010 Posted 14 November 2010 Thats right because not a single Irishman has committed murder on innocents in the name of his or her country....wait hang on. Those in glass houses... Not surprising at all from the Nazi loving slime. "Best fans in the world" My arse! Nazi loving? They're feverish anti-fascists. Whether or not they give the left a bad name is open for debate but either way that's clearly a ridiculous thing to say. As for the PIRA / Provos, you'll never get me to directly condone any act of violence and especially not one committed on civilian casualties. But then they weren't without provocation were they? Besides, it's not like they represent the majority of Ireland. I don't think the vast percent of the Irish populace want to see killings purely for the unification of an island that doesn't want to be unified. To that end, there's a big difference between a societal splinter-group undergoing acts of terror; and civilian murders and brutality committed by one of the world's oldest and most established professional armies.
Webbo Posted 14 November 2010 Posted 14 November 2010 The IRA did collaborate with the Nazis during WW2 My link
Finnegan Posted 14 November 2010 Posted 14 November 2010 Ah, I thought he was talking about the Green Brigade. In regards the war, that's hardly ideological similarities and more 'the enemy of my enemy.'
Trav Le Bleu Posted 14 November 2010 Posted 14 November 2010 Personally I've never understood the idea of choosing you're football team based on your religious beliefs. What team do Scottish buddhists support? PS - Simmo, you say they can't spell, but I don't notice anything wrong with their spelling. Anyone enlighten me? PPS - the thread subtitle is misspelt PPPS - of course, it's all wrong, but I'm not surprised by anything Celtic fans do anymore.
Guest Bilo Posted 14 November 2010 Posted 14 November 2010 Ah, I thought he was talking about the Green Brigade. In regards the war, that's hardly ideological similarities and more 'the enemy of my enemy.' AKA the most retarded way to pick your allies in the history of mankind.
Guest Bilo Posted 14 November 2010 Posted 14 November 2010 Personally I've never understood the idea of choosing you're football team based on your religious beliefs. What team do Scottish buddhists support? PS - Simmo, you say they can't spell, but I don't notice anything wrong with their spelling. Anyone enlighten me? PPS - the thread subtitle is misspelt PPPS - of course, it's all wrong, but I'm not surprised by anything Celtic fans do anymore. It says 'No bloostained poppy on our Hoops.' They missed out a D.
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