Finnegan Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 Oh. You edited your post, I thought you were joking. Surely you're sensible enough to see the differences between clothes and a dangling bit of cotton-polyester? Flags may not be high on a risk assesment but clearly comparing them to things on your person is stupid.
ramboacdc Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 anyone needs me tonight ill be the man trying to smuggle in a 15 foot flag.
Guest Bilo Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 From a totally non-Fosse Boys related stance, I can't understand why nobody is making more of a deal out of the fact that people are allowed to smoke entirely unchallenged in the stands despite it being a no-smoking stadium. Surely if this were not the case there'd be no risk of flags catching fire anyway?? Just seems logical, to me. Smoking in the stadium is probably more "illegal" than standing yet the standing rules are enforced with near Nazi-like ruthlessness more often than not but smoking is fine. Funny, that. Fair point that mate, smoking in the stadium is actually a breach of the law and would leave the club liable to a substantial fine as well as the person smoking. Standing is merely a breach of the ground regulations and unenforceable by law, which is why you don't see the police dragging out L1 en masse. It's nigh on impossible for a SAG to close down a standing section as well, because they'd have to produce conclusive evidence that standing has a detrimental effect on safety, evidence that has not yet been produced by any English club. Fact is that the H&S policy at the Walkers is more about maintaining crowd control than safety or upholding laws.
Dr The Singh Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 Fair point that mate, smoking in the stadium is actually a breach of the law and would leave the club liable to a substantial fine as well as the person smoking. Standing is merely a breach of the ground regulations and unenforceable by law, which is why you don't see the police dragging out L1 en masse. It's nigh on impossible for a SAG to close down a standing section as well, because they'd have to produce conclusive evidence that standing has a detrimental effect on safety, evidence that has not yet been produced by any English club. Fact is that the H&S policy at the Walkers is more about maintaining crowd control than safety or upholding laws. It feels as though, LCFC will do as it pleases, and any challenge is like
C.J Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 I wonder if the corner flags have a fire certificate??
Aeropars Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 At the end of the day, the club have a duty of care to ensure supports, officials and players safety. Even with a risk assessment, this doesnt stop the club being at fault for any arising issues. For me, I understand why they might be doing this and it all comes down to mitigation of risk. Petty I know however H&S really is that petty, especially in an day and age whereby you can get sued for very little. I don't support it but neither am I against it. Its just one of the things which the club have addressed to protect themselfs.
davieG Posted 10 November 2010 Author Posted 10 November 2010 At the end of the day, the club have a duty of care to ensure supports, officials and players safety. Even with a risk assessment, this doesnt stop the club being at fault for any arising issues. For me, I understand why they might be doing this and it all comes down to mitigation of risk. Petty I know however H&S really is that petty, especially in an day and age whereby you can get sued for very little. I don't support it but neither am I against it. Its just one of the things which the club have addressed to protect themselfs. It's not required for H&S reasons no matter how petty they may be, this has nothing to do with H&S.
Finnegan Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 Do you know that for fact? I assume just because the fire brigade say it's okay, if the HSE say otherwise then the club will act.
Dr The Singh Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 Do you know that for fact? I assume just because the fire brigade say it's okay, if the HSE say otherwise then the club will act. Either way. it's irrelevant, the club has made it's decision, and that it that!!!
Aeropars Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 I disagree. Health and safety has specifics and non specifics Specifics being complying with the act based around display equipment. Non specifics being things which are not covered by a specific act however as a duty of care should be concidered. The flag thing falls under this catagory. If the club were to allow flags and someone got hurt because of one, directly or indirectly, then the club is liable, not the flag owner. you do not enter the statium at your own risk and even if you did the club still have a duty of care. The club obviously see this as something which maybe an issue and have taken steps to mitigate that risk. Club allow flags + injury directly/indirectly by flag = potential law suit no flags + no accident = no law suit. Sorry davieg but this isn't opinion, its verbaitum.
1964FOX Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 The problem with our health and safety law is that it tends only to go to court in the worst case scenarios. At this point everything is taken into consideration, the press then pick up on every little thing looked at in any subsequent report and blow it all out of proportion. Unfortunately this leads to health and safety professionals going to ridiculous lengths to protect themselves from any form of litigation or prosecution.
Aeropars Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 The problem with our health and safety law is that it tends only to go to court in the worst case scenarios. At this point everything is taken into consideration, the press then pick up on every little thing looked at in any subsequent report and blow it all out of proportion. Unfortunately this leads to health and safety professionals going to ridiculous lengths to protect themselves from any form of litigation or prosecution. Spot on, especially in the day and age where you can be sued for a broken fingernail!
davieG Posted 10 November 2010 Author Posted 10 November 2010 Do you know that for fact? I assume just because the fire brigade say it's okay, if the HSE say otherwise then the club will act. I think we can assume that if the Fire Brigade say it's not required then that would enough after all it will be them that issues Fire Certificates for the Stadium and games. The HSE might define the rules but it will be the Fire Brigade that does the checks and monitors so they would be well aware of those rules.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 The Syndicate wouldn't stand for this.
Tilley Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 He does have the worst sense of humour in the world Finners, you're right. In a world of his own that chap.
Donut Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 Hello Dragons Im looking for £50,000 for a 20% stake in my company Im producing, marketing and selling a range of fire proof flags specifically aimed at football fans. In doing so, fans of all clubs can enjoy the game with a flag of their choice and not waste their time on pointless 12 page long fan forum threads.
JmorsonLCFC Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 Wouldn't mind if our own club shop didn't sell flags.
broughtonblue Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 Not sure if this has been mentioned before with all this flammable debate going on, but why do we have 'FIRE' as our goal celebration music? Bit ironic?
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