Millwall - Post Match Thread

[Kitchandro]

I always think we look more composed with Vitor in. Plus, clean sheets at Barnsley etc

with the ball, but he can't mark and his positioning is poor. We need a no nonsense defender to partner Hobbs

[Kitchandro]

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Finally why has Sven deemed only 30 minutes in a blizzard in Ipswich to be the suitable environment for Dyer, Gallagher and Vassell to play up front together after ripping Doncaster to shreds? It sounds like we improved when Vassell came on, maybe they will get a go together at home and starting the match.

I know Sven is a great manager with lots of experience, and I hope after January and we have a bit more stability it will be different, but at the moment he still doesn't know what our best team is. At the moment he is actually starting to remind me of Holloway

That's what I thought - why has he not kept the same team that scored 4 in the second half against Doncaster? Just because they were shit in a blizzard? He should be perservering with that side.

[Kitchandro]

We're like a boxer on the ropes right now.

We're trying to plough through the worst and most gruelling time of the year with a team of footballing temps who are showing signs of being winded.

Put simply, they don't know whether to attack or defend until they're losing and then it's too late.

On the sidelines are the likes of Fryatt and Waghorn - guys who have contracts with the club and who, for all their failings, have shown that they can at least grab a few goals.

How would must they feel to see Bednar losing header after header and looking about as likely to score as a bloke with two prosthetic legs.

And Vassell too. He might have a big reputation but his Championship goals return is one. I bet Waghorn feels great about that cos leaving him out's about the same as saying he's worse than shit as a centre-forward.

No wonder Fryatt's leaving. I was never his biggest fan and always wanted us to get a fast, strong striker who could score a much wider range of goals and play his team-mates in for a few as well.

But how does Bednar turn up as the answer to that particular prayer? I wouldn't trust him to hit Jobber's drum with a vaulting pole never mind serve as our frontline striker.

As for Vitor he's not so much a rock as a sandcastle. He's like one of those Roman soldiers who took one look at the miserable, dank, drizzling backdrop that was Britain and wondered what the hell he was doing here.

He should go back to the warmth where he belongs. Yes, he's a half decent defender but he's shown no signs of being made for the bitter cold of a British winter.

The problem with mercenaries is how reliable they are in a crisis - and we're finding out to our cost like many an army before us.

Basically we've not built on granite but on shifting sands. We don't have the natural comeraderie and faith in one another to react to any eventuality or to battle as if our lives depend on it.

It's not that we lack ability it's that we're weak-willed. Just one look at our strike rate shows how lacking we are in the essential that is ruthlessness. Failing to score with hundreds of corners is not just about flawed techniques it is about a willingness to

get hurt in getting to the ball. Where is Leicester City's Steve Walsh, Vidic or Andy Lochhead?

And that weak-will shows in the times that a simple lack of concentration or Wayne Brown sense of purpose has failed us. These are essentials of any winning team in any sport, anywhere.

A good manager instils them to such an extent they are second nature in every game and every situation. But we're like kids caught in headlights. Half the time we don't know how to react because we don't have the highly-developed spirit of champions that comes with a team that has evolved as one. Nor do we have anyone who fires us by example in a physical way.

Kingy is a thoughtful, calculating player who lives by brain not brawn. But he is not a warrior who will inspire those around him to hurt themselves. Sven's no Viking character either, for all his Scandinavian background.

But that's what's needed. An on-field Boudicca. Someone who will metaphorically slice heads from shoulders and impale them on spikes. A warrior who first and foremost treats every match as a test of bravery, aggression and determination. We're just so sodding gentle and accommodating.

This

I think if any of the current crop is captain material it's Wellens. He's the only one who looks like a fighter when the going gets tough.

[themotivator]

But that's what's needed. An on-field Boudicca.

a ginger robbie savage?

[scott_gunnell]

Who agrees that the worst thing about modern football is managers not being given time to build a winning team?

Debating Sven and his tactics etc is fair enough. Its all good fun. But being nasty about him is a bit out of order so early on in his time in charge.

[Webbo]

Who agrees that the worst thing about modern football is managers not being given time to build a winning team?

Debating Sven and his tactics etc is fair enough. Its all good fun. But being nasty about him is a bit out of order so early on in his time in charge.

I appreciate you're a bit of a Sven groupie but you have to realise we're Leicester fans first, Sven fans (if at all) second. I think he'll do well for us but if we lose he's going to get stick, just the same as he'll get praise if we win.

[Heart-Shaped Fox]

I was desperate to go to this and I really wish I hadnt bothered.

That was the worst performance I have seen this season after the Pompey game.

The defence is a shambles, and has ben for some time. We desperately need a leader, an experienced head at the back, like Brown was. The goals conceded really were soft, especially the second, just basic defending rules werent followed and there wasnt any communication between the cntral defenders and the keeper. People on here have really overrated all our loan players along the back 4. Cunningham was absolute shite today, couldnt header, pass, cross, anything, he was dreadful. Naughton just generally looks lightweight, and although he is good going forward at the back under pressure he is very very poor. I have said for weeks that he reminds me of Glen Johnson and thats looking more and more the case. Having said that he would be the only loan player I would want to keep, as he is better than the other RB's we have. If Berner doesnt play against Hull over Cunningham I will be fuming. He made McGivern look amazing and that is saying something.

The midfield wasnt rwally the problem again today, all three central midfielders had average sort of games, though King really was isolated and a bit anonymous. Gallagher was poor again really, not really contributing much but then he wasnt the only one.

Bednar is the worst striker I have ever een on todays display. He never jumps and generally looked like he didnt care. It says somehting about his perfromance when the fans start chanting Howards name after 20mins. The finishing was poor again today, but that isnt really worth talking about.

The most frustrating thing is that Millwall werent very good either, we made them look decent with ten men.

Big changes need to be made, Berner must play, whilst the loan players bar Naughton should just go back, as they arent performing.

[Guest ttfn]

Who agrees that the worst thing about modern football is managers not being given time to build a winning team?

Debating Sven and his tactics etc is fair enough. Its all good fun. But being nasty about him is a bit out of order so early on in his time in charge.

What would it take for you to come on here and suggest that maybe Sven had got it wrong?

Because I like him. But he got it wrong against Leeds and he got it wrong-er today.

[themotivator]

What would it take for you to come on here and suggest that maybe Sven had got it wrong?

Because I like him. But he got it wrong against Leeds and he got it wrong-er today.

was it svens fault morrison and hobbs let those goals in or that dyer, howard, etc missed all their chances to score?

[Kitchandro]

I was desperate to go to this and I really wish I hadnt bothered.

That was the worst performance I have seen this season after the Pompey game.

The defence is a shambles, and has ben for some time. We desperately need a leader, an experienced head at the back, like Brown was. The goals conceded really were soft, especially the second, just basic defending rules werent followed and there wasnt any communication between the cntral defenders and the keeper. People on here have really overrated all our loan players along the back 4. Cunningham was absolute shite today, couldnt header, pass, cross, anything, he was dreadful. Naughton just generally looks lightweight, and although he is good going forward at the back under pressure he is very very poor. I have said for weeks that he reminds me of Glen Johnson and thats looking more and more the case. Having said that he would be the only loan player I would want to keep, as he is better than the other RB's we have. If Berner doesnt play against Hull over Cunningham I will be fuming. He made McGivern look amazing and that is saying something.

The midfield wasnt rwally the problem again today, all three central midfielders had average sort of games, though King really was isolated and a bit anonymous. Gallagher was poor again really, not really contributing much but then he wasnt the only one.

Bednar is the worst striker I have ever een on todays display. He never jumps and generally looked like he didnt care. It says somehting about his perfromance when the fans start chanting Howards name after 20mins. The finishing was poor again today, but that isnt really worth talking about.

The most frustrating thing is that Millwall werent very good either, we made them look decent with ten men.

Big changes need to be made, Berner must play, whilst the loan players bar Naughton should just go back, as they arent performing.

I agree with your assessment of the loan defenders, they all seem to be good on the ball but they aren't very good defenders. And defending is the first priority for a defender. Hobbs is still our best defender, and Berner our second best when he's as fit as he was last season.

[Vacamion]

attack or defend

not so much a rock as a sandcastle.

Roman soldiers who took one look at the miserable, dank [...] Britain and wondered what the hell he was doing here.

The problem with mercenaries is how reliable they are in a crisis - and we're finding out to our cost like many an army before us.

We've not built on granite but on shifting sands.

We don't have the natural comeraderie and faith in one another to react to any eventuality or to battle as if our lives depend on it.

Wayne Brown

Kingy [...] lives by brain not brawn. But he is not a warrior who will inspire those around him to hurt themselves.

Sven's no Viking character either, for all his Scandinavian background.

But that's what's needed. An on-field Boudicca. Someone who will metaphorically slice heads from shoulders and impale them on spikes. A warrior who first and foremost treats every match as a test of bravery, aggression and determination. We're just so sodding gentle and accommodating.

Dude, I hear what you are saying, we need to "gerrintoooum, foookemup".

Just one question - Had you just watched "King Arthur" and got a stonker for Keira Knightley when you wrote this?

[Callabinho]

Burner wont play, stringer said that sven thinks Cunningham is the best player at the club

[Guest ttfn]

was it svens fault morrison and hobbs let those goals in or that dyer, howard, etc missed all their chances to score?

No, but it was Sven's fault that he picked Bednar.

[Kitchandro]

was it svens fault morrison and hobbs let those goals in or that dyer, howard, etc missed all their chances to score?

It was Sven's fault for picking Bednar and therefore giving us very little chance of scoring. It's Sven's fault for not picking the team that started the second half against Doncaster and ended up winning 5-1.

It's the players fault for those things you mention. Now it's down to Sven to make sure they stop doing it, or alternatively buy players to replace them.

[Heart-Shaped Fox]

I agree with your assessment of the loan defenders, they all seem to be good on the ball but they aren't very good defenders. And defending is the first priority for a defender. Hobbs is still our best defender, and Berner our second best when he's as fit as he was last season.

Hobbs is our best central defender, but he needs leader next to him. I keep saying it I know, but its true. Hobbs and Morrison in the middle always concede, not sure if its because they are young and one doesnt almost order around the other (like Brown did with Hobbs) but they certainly dont communicate at all. The defence isnt playing as a unit, last year with 4 big defenders across the back 4 we bossed it physically and didnt give away stupid goals.

People on here seem to have massively overrated the likes of Davies and Naughton, when really our current back 4 is no where near as good as it was last season with Berner, Hoobs, Brown and Morrison.

[themotivator]

so bednar didnt deserve to be on the pitch at all? he took him off at half time. do we need to bring up the fact that he has proven that he can be good a this level. and all howard has proven recently is that he can barely move.

waggy will get another chance soon

[Guest ttfn]

so bednar didnt deserve to be on the pitch at all? he took him off at half time. do we need to bring up the fact that he has proven that he can be good a this level. and all howard has proven recently is that he can barely move.

waggy will get another chance soon

Bednar's played 4 times this season; I've seen him every time.

He's been totally shit in 2 of the 4 and mediocre in the other two. We don't have time for Bednar to play himself in to form. We need someone to come in and do a job immediately, much like Naughton and (to a lesser extent) Cunningham have done.

I'd rather have had Fryatt/Waghorn/Howard up front in the 4 games Bednar has played despite their failings because at least they're ready and willing to play.

Bednar's Mark De Vries impression today was uncanny.

[Kitchandro]

Hobbs is our best central defender, but he needs leader next to him. I keep saying it I know, but its true. Hobbs and Morrison in the middle always concede, not sure if its because they are young and one doesnt almost order around the other (like Brown did with Hobbs) but they certainly dont communicate at all. The defence isnt playing as a unit, last year with 4 big defenders across the back 4 we bossed it physically and didnt give away stupid goals.

People on here seem to have massively overrated the likes of Davies and Naughton, when really our current back 4 is no where near as good as it was last season with Berner, Hoobs, Brown and Morrison.

I agree, Brown and Hobbs was a great partnership, and I think he needs an experienced and physical player next to him.

I've never really been impressed with Morrison at centre back, he useless at marking. Decent right back but not good enough a centre back IMO.

[Kitchandro]

so bednar didnt deserve to be on the pitch at all? he took him off at half time. do we need to bring up the fact that he has proven that he can be good a this level. and all howard has proven recently is that he can barely move.

waggy will get another chance soon

No, never should have been near the team after Doncaster

[Harborough__Fox]

It wasnt kirklands fault! he cant be everywhere at once its our defence that was piss poor today!

[Thracian]

Dude, I hear what you are saying, we need to "gerrintoooum, foookemup".

Just one question - Had you just watched "King Arthur" and got a stonker for Keira Knightley when you wrote this?

[scott_gunnell]

I appreciate you're a bit of a Sven groupie but you have to realise we're Leicester fans first, Sven fans (if at all) second. I think he'll do well for us but if we lose he's going to get stick, just the same as he'll get praise if we win.

I dont really see what difference it makes that I am a Sven fan and your all Leicester Fans. I watch a football match same as you all. I hardly ever say anything negative about any manager because who am I in football? I run a team with a weekly crowd of 8 or 9 . And THEY give me stick.

Sven see's what you all see, and I am sure over time he will prepare you all for the promotion charge next year. I still think you will be in the play offs this year though.

Still, nice debating wih you my freind. We noth want Leicester in the Premier League.

[scott_gunnell]

if you had lost a shed load of games since Sven turned up I would be the first to agree its not good enough, no matter how big a fan of Sven I am. I try not to be biased.

Looking at the stats, where Leicester unlucky?

[themotivator]

No, never should have been near the team after Doncaster

waghorn scored after kings hard work vs doncaster, but apart from that his cameo was pretty shit. i dont really rate bednar. his performances for us have been shoddy and i'm sure sven won't be picking him again. at least he realised his mistake and took him off at half time today.

we need new strikers and sven seems to be working hard to find one.

my point is that this game could have been turned around if our players (yes the regular fan favourites of dyer, king, howard and hobbs) hadn't fluffed their chances and we would be having very different conversations now.

[Guest ttfn]

if you had lost a shed load of games since Sven turned up I would be the first to agree its not good enough, no matter how big a fan of Sven I am. I try not to be biased.

Looking at the stats, where Leicester unlucky?

No. We were slack for the first 60 minutes and then failed miserably to break down a team with 10 men in the last half hour.

If football was all about stats, Sven would never have got this job - Sousa would have been saved by his possession and shots stats.

We were shit today and it was Sven's fault. The buck stops with the manager.