Millwall - Post Match Thread

[Finnegan]

Haha ... it must be holiday season! I bet he's out there with a bucket and spade.

Anyway - relax. Leave it to our esteemed professionals Finns has such faith in. Pro's who'd still leave Gradel out in preference to Dyer in his view!

Let's see now, what do the facts say in relation to our wingers:

Dyer (2 goals) and Vassell (1 goal) making three goals between them. Plus an assist each. Total input 5.

Gradel 8 goals and 2 assists on his own. total input 10.

Very convincing!

You think Gradel would have eight goals and two assists in our current side?

Don't be dense.

[shade]

one word. fryatt.

[Salieri]

I think Fryatt will score goals when he's gone.

Then he can be added on the 'oh look who's gawn and scored again' list along with DJ and Gradel.

[The Reverend]

"We need a striker who if he gets 2 or 3 chances, will score 1 of them." We have one; unfortunately, he's just about to leave as he hasn't been used.

one word. fryatt.

Fryatt has had his chance. I have watched Fryatt at Leicester since he has been here, and he has never been a 1 goal in 2/3 chances. Maybe at League One level, but not in the Championship unfortunately. Fryatt is probably Leicester in a nutshell over the past 5 years or so - solid and reliable but not quite good enough to make the step to the next level, and this us why he's being sold.

[Captain...]

Millwall had both their first choice centre-halfs out injured today

We're a joke

Hobbs has been messed around, dropped every time Vitor is fit... does Vitor keep clean sheets? No

Weale has been messed around, Kirkland is useless

Waghorn has been messed around, how many goals have Bednar & Vassel scored?

Mussa has played amazing, but yet again is messed around, why not slot him a in a 5 man midfield & only play one up front (away from home) Our defence is constantly under attack becayuse our midfield rarely breaks opposing attacks up, leading us to ship as many goals away from home already as we did in the whole of last season.

They are not the only ones you can add Berner, Morrison, Fryatt even Neilsen. The way the squad Sven inherited has been treated has been very poor. We need fight commitment and passion and with the loan signings and poor treatment we have a disaffected squad with 2 of our key performers from last year publicly wanting to leave and I don't know how many others privately wanting out.

Is it any surprise that Morrison didn't perform when he's barely kicked a ball since Sven came in.

"We need a striker who if he gets 2 or 3 chances, will score 1 of them." We have one; unfortunately, he's just about to leave as he hasn't been used.

He is normally criticised for needing 2-3 chances to score.

Finally why has Sven deemed only 30 minutes in a blizzard in Ipswich to be the suitable environment for Dyer, Gallagher and Vassell to play up front together after ripping Doncaster to shreds? It sounds like we improved when Vassell came on, maybe they will get a go together at home and starting the match.

I know Sven is a great manager with lots of experience, and I hope after January and we have a bit more stability it will be different, but at the moment he still doesn't know what our best team is. At the moment he is actually starting to remind me of Holloway

[SMX11]

4-4-fooking 2

We need a leader at the back, a winger and a striker.

[Callabinho]

I think Fryatt will score goals when he's gone.

Then he can be added on the 'oh look who's gawn and scored again' list along with DJ and Gradel.

Of course he will, he isn't as bad as Vassel, gallagher, Bednar and Howard....

[Daggers]

[Bob Weasel Fox]

We have very soft underbelly at the mo (understatement of the fookin decade) we need some WALSH, ELLIOTT, TAGGART sort of players to start bucking us up a bit especially away. Has KIRKLAND actually saved a shot yet?

[MattyFromLE]

I love how when we are losing and not scoring, the "blame it on Fryatt" brigade come out. Now he's not in the team, the "Fryatt is god" brigade comes out haha. If he wants to go, let him go - find someone who does wanna play for us.

[Thracian]

We're like a boxer on the ropes right now.

We're trying to plough through the worst and most gruelling time of the year with a team of footballing temps who are showing signs of being winded.

Put simply, they don't know whether to attack or defend until they're losing and then it's too late.

On the sidelines are the likes of Fryatt and Waghorn - guys who have contracts with the club and who, for all their failings, have shown that they can at least grab a few goals.

How would must they feel to see Bednar losing header after header and looking about as likely to score as a bloke with two prosthetic legs.

And Vassell too. He might have a big reputation but his Championship goals return is one. I bet Waghorn feels great about that cos leaving him out's about the same as saying he's worse than shit as a centre-forward.

No wonder Fryatt's leaving. I was never his biggest fan and always wanted us to get a fast, strong striker who could score a much wider range of goals and play his team-mates in for a few as well.

But how does Bednar turn up as the answer to that particular prayer? I wouldn't trust him to hit Jobber's drum with a vaulting pole never mind serve as our frontline striker.

As for Vitor he's not so much a rock as a sandcastle. He's like one of those Roman soldiers who took one look at the miserable, dank, drizzling backdrop that was Britain and wondered what the hell he was doing here.

He should go back to the warmth where he belongs. Yes, he's a half decent defender but he's shown no signs of being made for the bitter cold of a British winter.

The problem with mercenaries is how reliable they are in a crisis - and we're finding out to our cost like many an army before us.

Basically we've not built on granite but on shifting sands. We don't have the natural comeraderie and faith in one another to react to any eventuality or to battle as if our lives depend on it.

It's not that we lack ability it's that we're weak-willed. Just one look at our strike rate shows how lacking we are in the essential that is ruthlessness. Failing to score with hundreds of corners is not just about flawed techniques it is about a willingness to

get hurt in getting to the ball. Where is Leicester City's Steve Walsh, Vidic or Andy Lochhead?

And that weak-will shows in the times that a simple lack of concentration or Wayne Brown sense of purpose has failed us. These are essentials of any winning team in any sport, anywhere.

A good manager instils them to such an extent they are second nature in every game and every situation. But we're like kids caught in headlights. Half the time we don't know how to react because we don't have the highly-developed spirit of champions that comes with a team that has evolved as one. Nor do we have anyone who fires us by example in a physical way.

Kingy is a thoughtful, calculating player who lives by brain not brawn. But he is not a warrior who will inspire those around him to hurt themselves. Sven's no Viking character either, for all his Scandinavian background.

But that's what's needed. An on-field Boudicca. Someone who will metaphorically slice heads from shoulders and impale them on spikes. A warrior who first and foremost treats every match as a test of bravery, aggression and determination. We're just so sodding gentle and accommodating.

[Webbo]

I love how when we are losing and not scoring, the "blame it on Fryatt" brigade come out. Now he's not in the team, the "Fryatt is god" brigade comes out haha. If he wants to go, let him go - find someone who does wanna play for us.

He wants to go because he can't get a game and when you see who's preferred in front of him you can't blame him.

[Captain...]

I love how when we are losing and not scoring, the "blame it on Fryatt" brigade come out. Now he's not in the team, the "Fryatt is god" brigade comes out haha. If he wants to go, let him go - find someone who does wanna play for us.

Can't think of many off the top of my head.

[themotivator]

Can't think of many off the top of my head.

heskey wouldnt mind it...................

[Thracian]

You think Gradel would have eight goals and two assists in our current side?

Don't be dense.

I don't notice us lacking for chances. Why would he suddenly fail to take some of them?

King seems to have managed okay and Gradel was always every bit as lethal, in fact more so, going on 14,15,16-game runs without failing to score during his Academy years.

It is only misguided managers who could somehow stop him scoring with some contrived bullshit from their coaching manuals.

Even today with Leicester playing appallingly we had more shots and two or three one-against-one situations that we squandered. Gradel would have gobbled some of that lot for fun given a manager with any sort of faith in him.

[colbo68]

We're like a boxer on the ropes right now.

We're trying to plough through the worst and most gruelling time of the year with a team of footballing temps who are showing signs of being winded.

Put simply, they don't know whether to attack or defend until they're losing and then it's too late.

On the sidelines are the likes of Fryatt and Waghorn - guys who have contracts with the club and who, for all their failings, have shown that they can at least grab a few goals.

How would must they feel to see Bednar losing header after header and looking about as likely to score as a bloke with two prosthetic legs.

And Vassell too. He might have a big reputation but his Championship goals return is one. I bet Waghorn feels great about that cos leaving him out's about the same as saying he's worse than shit as a centre-forward.

No wonder Fryatt's leaving. I was never his biggest fan and always wanted us to get a fast, strong striker who could score a much wider range of goals and play his team-mates in for a few as well.

But how does Bednar turn up as the answer to that particular prayer? I wouldn't trust him to hit Jobber's drum with a vaulting pole never mind serve as our frontline striker.

As for Vitor he's not so much a rock as a sandcastle. He's like one of those Roman soldiers who took one look at the miserable, dank, drizzling backdrop that was Britain and wondered what the hell he was doing here.

He should go back to the warmth where he belongs. Yes, he's a half decent defender but he's shown no signs of being made for the bitter cold of a British winter.

The problem with mercenaries is how reliable they are in a crisis - and we're finding out to our cost like many an army before us.

Basically we've not built on granite but on shifting sands. We don't have the natural comeraderie and faith in one another to react to any eventuality or to battle as if our lives depend on it.

It's not that we lack ability it's that we're weak-willed. Just one look at our strike rate shows how lacking we are in the essential that is ruthlessness. Failing to score with hundreds of corners is not just about flawed techniques it is about a willingness to

get hurt in getting to the ball. Where is Leicester City's Steve Walsh, Vidic or Andy Lochhead?

And that weak-will shows in the times that a simple lack of concentration or Wayne Brown sense of purpose has failed us. These are essentials of any winning team in any sport, anywhere.

A good manager instils them to such an extent they are second nature in every game and every situation. But we're like kids caught in headlights. Half the time we don't know how to react because we don't have the highly-developed spirit of champions that comes with a team that has evolved as one. Nor do we have anyone who fires us by example in a physical way.

Kingy is a thoughtful, calculating player who lives by brain not brawn. But he is not a warrior who will inspire those around him to hurt themselves. Sven's no Viking character either, for all his Scandinavian background.

But that's what's needed. An on-field Boudicca. Someone who will metaphorically slice heads from shoulders and impale them on spikes. A warrior who first and foremost treats every match as a test of bravery, aggression and determination. We're just so sodding gentle and accommodating.

I have been saying for weeks and weeks for anyone who cares to listen... for me the Jury is very much out on Sven - its one thing to spend Thai money, its another to have the managerial ability and motivational skills to gel them into a good team - if the emphasis continues on 'who are we gonna get in next' we have the wrong man(men) at the helm....

[Guest ttfn]

We're like a boxer on the ropes right now.

We're trying to plough through the worst and most gruelling time of the year with a team of footballing temps who are showing signs of being winded.

Put simply, they don't know whether to attack or defend until they're losing and then it's too late.

On the sidelines are the likes of Fryatt and Waghorn - guys who have contracts with the club and who, for all their failings, have shown that they can at least grab a few goals.

How would must they feel to see Bednar losing header after header and looking about as likely to score as a bloke with two prosthetic legs.

And Vassell too. He might have a big reputation but his Championship goals return is one. I bet Waghorn feels great about that cos leaving him out's about the same as saying he's worse than shit as a centre-forward.

No wonder Fryatt's leaving. I was never his biggest fan and always wanted us to get a fast, strong striker who could score a much wider range of goals and play his team-mates in for a few as well.

But how does Bednar turn up as the answer to that particular prayer? I wouldn't trust him to hit Jobber's drum with a vaulting pole never mind serve as our frontline striker.

As for Vitor he's not so much a rock as a sandcastle. He's like one of those Roman soldiers who took one look at the miserable, dank, drizzling backdrop that was Britain and wondered what the hell he was doing here.

He should go back to the warmth where he belongs. Yes, he's a half decent defender but he's shown no signs of being made for the bitter cold of a British winter.

The problem with mercenaries is how reliable they are in a crisis - and we're finding out to our cost like many an army before us.

Basically we've not built on granite but on shifting sands. We don't have the natural comeraderie and faith in one another to react to any eventuality or to battle as if our lives depend on it.

It's not that we lack ability it's that we're weak-willed. Just one look at our strike rate shows how lacking we are in the essential that is ruthlessness. Failing to score with hundreds of corners is not just about flawed techniques it is about a willingness to

get hurt in getting to the ball. Where is Leicester City's Steve Walsh, Vidic or Andy Lochhead?

And that weak-will shows in the times that a simple lack of concentration or Wayne Brown sense of purpose has failed us. These are essentials of any winning team in any sport, anywhere.

A good manager instils them to such an extent they are second nature in every game and every situation. But we're like kids caught in headlights. Half the time we don't know how to react because we don't have the highly-developed spirit of champions that comes with a team that has evolved as one. Nor do we have anyone who fires us by example in a physical way.

Kingy is a thoughtful, calculating player who lives by brain not brawn. But he is not a warrior who will inspire those around him to hurt themselves. Sven's no Viking character either, for all his Scandinavian background.

But that's what's needed. An on-field Boudicca. Someone who will metaphorically slice heads from shoulders and impale them on spikes. A warrior who first and foremost treats every match as a test of bravery, aggression and determination. We're just so sodding gentle and accommodating.

Cracking post.

To add my two penneth:

Not for one minute do I think we'll go down. But this is starting to bear resemblance to the Holloway reign. Manager fails to show any signs of pro-activity whilst the squad is unsettled by the arrival of mediocre loanees.

Sven is a quality manager. Of that there is no doubt. But for the love of God please stop fooking about with the squad. Today we were crying out for a forward of Fryatt's guile in and around the box and yet he's on his way. Whilst Gallagher continues to be employed and Kirkland, Vitor, Bednar and Davies continue to waste our money.

It's taking a pretty giant leap of faith to go with some of Sven's decisions because a lot of them make no sense. His failure to change things until half time when it was clear that Bednar was putting in one of the worst displays I've ever seen from a professional footballer was nothing short of negligent. We were getting pounded and he let it happen.

I just don't know what to think anymore.

[Callabinho]

We got beaten in the first half, we simply were not good enough the 4-3-3 leaves us short at the back because Naughton and Cunningham get forward all due to our lack of width, it's good to see their intentions but id much rather Keep the goals out. As Pearson said we must learn how to not be beaten, because we give goals away willy nilly, Teams like Leeds are up there because they get really stuck in. Their not an attractive side at all but they get into their opposition. I wan't too see more balls, more steele, and more consistency! We just need a few players who get stuck in forget all these big names like David Beckham, What about a good old Neil Lennon who just got stuck in and motivated the players around him. We need a pair of balls from somewhere i just hope that sven has someone in mind to do that job.

[darko2k7]

We got beaten in the first half

Story of our season

Today as left me feeling numb and empty , it is truly the first time that I have lost all hope for this season . Even tho I know for a fact that come next game I will be back to the same old hopeful thought's

[Dylan]

He did want to play for Leicester but NEVER got a proper chance, which is why he wants to leave now- perfectly understandable. He's only 24, and still has a career ahead of him. An absolute joke that we've not played him, playing Gallagher, Howard, Bednar and Vassell ahead of him.

Fryatt- 14 appearance- 8 as sub, so 6 starts- 4 goals

Vassell- 10 appearances- one as sub, so 9 starts- 1 goal.

Howard- 26 appearances- 11 as sub, so 15 starts- 5 goals, only one more than Fryatt. And remember- a couple of them were penalties.

Gallagher- 24 appearances- 5 as sub, so 19 starts- 6 goals, only two more than Fryatt. And again, at least 3 of them have been penalties.

Looking at them records, how can you not say Fryatt has been hard done by not being started; not even being played as a sub. How can you expect him to stay when he's never given a chance. His record this season is better than the rest, and it has been a POOR season for him, hardly started, never given a consistent run like the rest, yet has a better goalscoring record imo.

[Guest ttfn]

He did want to play for Leicester but NEVER got a proper chance, which is why he wants to leave now- perfectly understandable. He's only 24, and still has a career ahead of him. An absolute joke that we've not played him, playing Gallagher, Howard, Bednar and Vassell ahead of him.

Fryatt- 14 appearance- 8 as sub, so 6 starts- 4 goals

Vassell- 10 appearances- one as sub, so 9 starts- 1 goal.

Howard- 26 appearances- 11 as sub, so 15 starts- 5 goals, only one more than Fryatt. And remember- a couple of them were penalties.

Gallagher- 24 appearances- 5 as sub, so 19 starts- 6 goals, only two more than Fryatt. And again, at least 3 of them have been penalties.

Looking at them records, how can you not say Fryatt has been hard done by not being started; not even being played as a sub. How can you expect him to stay when he's never given a chance. His record this season is better than the rest, and it has been a POOR season for him, hardly started, never given a consistent run like the rest, yet has a better goalscoring record imo.

I give it until 7pm for somebody to use the "1 in 5" stat.

[colbo68]

We got beaten in the first half, we simply were not good enough the 4-3-3 leaves us short at the back because Naughton and Cunningham get forward all due to our lack of width, it's good to see their intentions but id much rather Keep the goals out. As Pearson said we must learn how to not be beaten, because we give goals away willy nilly, Teams like Leeds are up there because they get really stuck in. Their not an attractive side at all but they get into their opposition. I wan't too see more balls, more steele, and more consistency! We just need a few players who get stuck in forget all these big names like David Beckham, What about a good old Neil Lennon who just got stuck in and motivated the players around him. We need a pair of balls from somewhere i just hope that sven has someone in mind to do that job.

As I said after the Leeds game we need a strong centre midfielder who simply gets his foot in and wins us back the ball - ABE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH - this team is crying out for a Lee Cattermole (the dirty little bastad) or dare I say it, a Joey Barton.... somebody like Jay Emmanuel Thomas may fit the bill....

[MC Prussian]

When Sven says "the team is good enough" during some of the recent interviews, does he refer to the current one or the one he has in mind?

Changing the starting eleven and having a bunch of unsettled players in the team (Fryatt, Berner, Morrison, even Hobbs) as well as a sissy like Gallagher who hardly ever gets into his opposing player, a waste of space up front and a couple of aging has-beens (Howard, Oakley) is not going to do much good.

It's a deadly mix and we will remain this mediocre until we can get the stability needed to push for promotion. Next season maybe, but this campaign will remain a frustrating up-and-down rollercoaster ride up until the end.

Unless some of the so-called "decent" bunch actually manage to play football as part of a group.

Today we were lacking EVERYTHING - a goalkeeper, a back four, a midfield and a striking force. Each area was playing like they've never kicked a football before.

We had nothing to offer and that we went down without even a little bit of fighting spirit gets me most.

Our gameplan after Dunne's sending off was shambolic - I know it's hard to break down a team of ten, but we had our chances and wasted them in very, very silly ways.

[Zingari]

We're like a boxer on the ropes right now.

We're trying to plough through the worst and most gruelling time of the year with a team of footballing temps who are showing signs of being winded.

Put simply, they don't know whether to attack or defend until they're losing and then it's too late.

On the sidelines are the likes of Fryatt and Waghorn - guys who have contracts with the club and who, for all their failings, have shown that they can at least grab a few goals.

How would must they feel to see Bednar losing header after header and looking about as likely to score as a bloke with two prosthetic legs.

And Vassell too. He might have a big reputation but his Championship goals return is one. I bet Waghorn feels great about that cos leaving him out's about the same as saying he's worse than shit as a centre-forward.

No wonder Fryatt's leaving. I was never his biggest fan and always wanted us to get a fast, strong striker who could score a much wider range of goals and play his team-mates in for a few as well.

But how does Bednar turn up as the answer to that particular prayer? I wouldn't trust him to hit Jobber's drum with a vaulting pole never mind serve as our frontline striker.

As for Vitor he's not so much a rock as a sandcastle. He's like one of those Roman soldiers who took one look at the miserable, dank, drizzling backdrop that was Britain and wondered what the hell he was doing here.

He should go back to the warmth where he belongs. Yes, he's a half decent defender but he's shown no signs of being made for the bitter cold of a British winter.

The problem with mercenaries is how reliable they are in a crisis - and we're finding out to our cost like many an army before us.

Basically we've not built on granite but on shifting sands. We don't have the natural comeraderie and faith in one another to react to any eventuality or to battle as if our lives depend on it.

It's not that we lack ability it's that we're weak-willed. Just one look at our strike rate shows how lacking we are in the essential that is ruthlessness. Failing to score with hundreds of corners is not just about flawed techniques it is about a willingness to

get hurt in getting to the ball. Where is Leicester City's Steve Walsh, Vidic or Andy Lochhead?

And that weak-will shows in the times that a simple lack of concentration or Wayne Brown sense of purpose has failed us. These are essentials of any winning team in any sport, anywhere.

A good manager instils them to such an extent they are second nature in every game and every situation. But we're like kids caught in headlights. Half the time we don't know how to react because we don't have the highly-developed spirit of champions that comes with a team that has evolved as one. Nor do we have anyone who fires us by example in a physical way.

Kingy is a thoughtful, calculating player who lives by brain not brawn. But he is not a warrior who will inspire those around him to hurt themselves. Sven's no Viking character either, for all his Scandinavian background.

But that's what's needed. An on-field Boudicca. Someone who will metaphorically slice heads from shoulders and impale them on spikes. A warrior who first and foremost treats every match as a test of bravery, aggression and determination. We're just so sodding gentle and accommodating.

make your mind up

do we want , smoking joe frazier

the three musketeers

or xena the warrior princess ?

seriously though , good post

[The MayneFox]

very poor today, poor players:

Cunnigham,

bednar,

Gallagher,

Oakley,

Kirkland,

i paid good money only to feel like shit to be frank......

WHY PLAY A BACK FOUR OF THAT ARE ALL BASICALLY UNDER 25!!!!!

it happend at palace when morro and hobbs were together, break down of communication, from the "shaky" goalkeeper, no one wanted to play, dissapointed,

kirklands reaction to their second goal some it up for me.....

hey not bad sightseeing on the way back through the city, Big Ben, London Eye, Westminster Abbey, Cenotaph, Houses parliment

‎"we're crap on the road, we're crap on the roooaaad, where Leicester City and we're crap on the road"