broughtonblue Posted 29 January 2011 Posted 29 January 2011 The whole matchday experience for me is the atmosphere in the ground, the banter/singing between the two sets of fans makes this IMO. Imagine thousands of jocks at the walkers, what a brilliant afternoon that would be, also imagine away days at two of the biggest clubs in Britain. Ok, if the 'big two' were allowed straight into the premier league it would cause all sorts of resentment, but if they entered in league 1/2 and worked there way up then I think it would enhance the finances of the lower leagues and eventually mean two of britains biggest clubs were competing in a league where they weren't guaranteed to finish in the top two. We have the biggest welsh clubs in the English leagues so what is stopping the two biggest Scottish ones joining us
Bert Posted 29 January 2011 Posted 29 January 2011 They'd have to start at the bottom of the ladder. They probably don't want to come here, not only would they never win anything, they'd have ridiculous amounts of travelling to do every other week. Keep them up there where they belong.
lcfc"weasel" Posted 29 January 2011 Posted 29 January 2011 It would absolutely finish Scottish football if Celtic and Scotland's shame were allowed to join the English leagues. Wouldn't mind a trip to Parkhead or Castle Greyskull as a Leicester fan though, both would have the potential to be great awaydays.
Guest Bilo Posted 29 January 2011 Posted 29 January 2011 They'd have to start at the bottom of the ladder. They probably don't want to come here, not only would they never win anything, they'd have ridiculous amounts of travelling to do every other week. Keep them up there where they belong. Their fans would travel but UEFA/FIFA would never sanction it due to the implications. Big clubs that play in so-called lesser leagues around Europe would want to move more lucrative divisions. If the Old Firm could move to England, why couldn't Ajax and Feyenoord move to the Bundesliga, or Benfica and Porto to La Liga? Bugger it, why not have a European League instead? It'd set a very awkward precedent if it were ever allowed to happen and the less illustrious leagues would suffer badly. There's also the fact that you've alluded to that they'd find it a damn sight tougher than the SPL. I'm pretty sure their fans would start to regret moving leagues after a home defeat to Blackpool or a stuffing by Stoke. Not going to happen thankfully. It would absolutely finish Scottish football if Celtic and Scotland's shame were allowed to join the English leagues. Wouldn't mind a trip to Parkhead or Castle Greyskull as a Leicester fan though, both would have the potential to be great awaydays. Pipe down Timmy.
broughtonblue Posted 29 January 2011 Author Posted 29 January 2011 Their fans would travel but UEFA/FIFA would never sanction it due to the implications. Big clubs that play in so-called lesser leagues around Europe would want to move more lucrative divisions. If the Old Firm could move to England, why couldn't Ajax and Feyenoord move to the Bundesliga, or Benfica and Porto to La Liga? Bugger it, why not have a European League instead? It'd set a very awkward precedent if it were ever allowed to happen and the less illustrious leagues would suffer badly. There's also the fact that you've alluded to that they'd find it a damn sight tougher than the SPL. I'm pretty sure their fans would start to regret moving leagues after a home defeat to Blackpool or a stuffing by Stoke. Not going to happen thankfully. Pipe down Timmy. In reply to your first paragraph, how come the two biggest welsh teams are allowed to play in the English leagues?
Guest Bilo Posted 29 January 2011 Posted 29 January 2011 In reply to your first paragraph, how come the two biggest welsh teams are allowed to play in the English leagues? Been a part of the English league system for nearly a hundred years, long before UEFA was even thought of. There also wasn't much in the way of an football league system in Wales when clubs like Cardiff and Swansea so England was the only place they could play. They're very well-established in the Football League now so their place in English football is an accepted fact these days. Rangers and Celtic joining would be a completely different kettle of fish because they have an established league system in Scotland and it's a league system they've been a major part of since their inception.
Bert Posted 29 January 2011 Posted 29 January 2011 I know the fans would travel. Both teams have a great following wherever they, probably the best in britain, I was more on about the players though. I know they'd mainly travel by air, but it's still too much hassle compared to what they have now. If they want/ed to join they'd have really tried to get it done by now.
Bert Posted 29 January 2011 Posted 29 January 2011 Also, if Rangers and Celtic were allowed in, what's stopping the rest wanting to join?
broughtonblue Posted 29 January 2011 Author Posted 29 January 2011 Been a part of the English league system for nearly a hundred years, long before UEFA was even thought of. There also wasn't much in the way of an football league system in Wales when clubs like Cardiff and Swansea so England was the only place they could play. They're very well-established in the Football League now so their place in English football is an accepted fact these days. Rangers and Celtic joining would be a completely different kettle of fish because they have an established league system in Scotland and it's a league system they've been a major part of since their inception. Ok fair enough, i accept your response. Would really love a couple of away weekends in Glasgow though!
lcfc"weasel" Posted 29 January 2011 Posted 29 January 2011 Pipe down Timmy. Just couldn't resist Seriously though, would absolutely love to see them both down here, not sure the fans of either clubs would be happy about it though, I'll ask some Celtic fans and find out. It would almost definitely spell the end of all other Scottish football though as they rely on the money they make against both Glasgow sides and I doubt whether Rupert Murdoch's sh1t would be interested in the TV rights for Scottish football if the minimum of 4 Old Firm games weren't included in the package each season.
lcfc"weasel" Posted 29 January 2011 Posted 29 January 2011 Also, if Rangers and Celtic were allowed in, what's stopping the rest wanting to join? The possibility that in the interim of Celtic and them being allowed to join there would be few clubs left in Scotland? I'm not too sure though, I can't imagine St. Mirren for example wanting to join, they could only muster a few 100 for a relatively short trip to Tynecastle, they wouldn't get double figures for a tie at Home Park for example.
Bert Posted 29 January 2011 Posted 29 January 2011 I was aiming it more at aberdeen, hearts, hibs.... I see what you mean though.
lcfc"weasel" Posted 30 January 2011 Posted 30 January 2011 I was aiming it more at aberdeen, hearts, hibs.... I see what you mean though. Aye, I gues they'd have a fair bit to say about it, wouldn't mind seeing Hearts or Hibs down here due to family connections that would make fixtures with both the teams interesting. At what level do you see them on a par with down here? In my opinion I'd put the three you've mentioned on the Championship/League 1 border with the Glasgow sides on the Championship/EPL border. Also, with Celtic, to my knowledge only having signed Championship players this season, do you see either of the big two up there being able to attract the required level of player in order to make a push towards EPL success?
FoxyPV Posted 30 January 2011 Posted 30 January 2011 They are not good enough for the EPL. It's a great away day though.
lcfc"weasel" Posted 30 January 2011 Posted 30 January 2011 They are not good enough for the EPL. It's a great away day though. I've just spoke to my cousin, a Celtic fan and he believes with the extra revenue they'd get from Sky due to participation down here they'd be able to compete and challenge for a top half spot in the EPL.
FoxyPV Posted 30 January 2011 Posted 30 January 2011 I've just spoke to my cousin, a Celtic fan and he believes with the extra revenue they'd get from Sky due to participation down here they'd be able to compete and challenge for a top half spot in the EPL. They're not even close. Most championship teams would give them a run for their money week in week out. The investment argument could be made for any newly promoted team though.
Bert Posted 30 January 2011 Posted 30 January 2011 I think celtic and rangers could get a top ten prem finish. The other three, like you say would for me be championship/league one.
lcfc"weasel" Posted 30 January 2011 Posted 30 January 2011 They're not even close. Most championship teams would give them a run for their money week in week out. The investment argument could be made for any newly promoted team though. Both can play good football on the day that would rival the bottom 5 or so of the EPL and the top 6 of the Championship. They also have a HUGE support base which gives them an added edge over most teams, Parkhead is the 2nd biggest domestic football ground in the UK I think with only Old Trafford being bigger which is another advantage they have over newly promoted teams. With the right investment they could do well, Scotland's shame are probably in more need of this than Celtic due to them being in colossal amounts of debt with Celtic being relatively debt free. Both also have good managers, Neil Lennon is doing well at Celtic and has definitely managed to ignite a fire in Hooper who has been a goal-scoring sensation. Then over on the other side you have Ally McCoist who is almost a certainty to take over when Walter retires and has been tutored by Smith for the last couple of seasons and seems more than ready to step up to the plate. Throw in the extra cash from Sky and other bonuses of being part of the English league structure I believe that both teams will be a force to reckon with down here.
Stevosevic Posted 30 January 2011 Posted 30 January 2011 Celtics front two today...Hooper and Stokes. Midfield... Ledley, Brown, Commons It screams Championship to me, would struggle in the premiership.
Webbo Posted 30 January 2011 Posted 30 January 2011 If rangers and Celtic both player in the EPL then there'd be 2 less places for teams like ours. In other words, **** 'em.
Corky Posted 30 January 2011 Posted 30 January 2011 Exactly, why should it be restricted to only Celtic and Rangers? Hearts are doing well this season and could finish in the top two. They have their own league to play in and it's not our problem if they are too big or good for it.
BlueSi13 Posted 30 January 2011 Posted 30 January 2011 Exactly, why not invite Ajax and Feyenoord, or PSG and Marseille into the Premier League?....there is no Great Britain national team or football association....so quite simply they don't belong down here, why should two of our own clubs be sacrificed for the sake of them, especially as most fans around England couldn't give a flying **** about them or their sectarian bullshit. The Welsh clubs have a valid excuse to be in our leagues...they don't.
Edmund Posted 30 January 2011 Posted 30 January 2011 Their fans would travel but UEFA/FIFA would never sanction it due to the implications. Big clubs that play in so-called lesser leagues around Europe would want to move more lucrative divisions. If the Old Firm could move to England, why couldn't Ajax and Feyenoord move to the Bundesliga, or Benfica and Porto to La Liga? Bugger it, why not have a European League instead? It'd set a very awkward precedent if it were ever allowed to happen and the less illustrious leagues would suffer badly. Exactly, why not invite Ajax and Feyenoord, or PSG and Marseille into the Premier League?....there is no Great Britain national team or football association....so quite simply they don't belong down here, why should two of our own clubs be sacrificed for the sake of them, especially as most fans around England couldn't give a flying **** about them or their sectarian bullshit. The Welsh clubs have a valid excuse to be in our leagues...they don't. Sorry to be pedantic but I'm not sure why you've both stated Feyenoord. PSV are the second biggest team in terms of success just behind Ajax in title wins. Secondly, lucrative or not there would be riots in The Netherlands if the subject of moving these clubs to the Bundesliga or any other league ever came up. The Dutch are quite content with their league and most clubs are well supported. The Eredivise has opened up in the past decade with teams such as FC Twente and AZ adding their name to the honours list.
BlueSi13 Posted 30 January 2011 Posted 30 January 2011 Sorry to be pedantic but I'm not sure why you've both stated Feyenoord. PSV are the second biggest team in terms of success just behind Ajax in title wins. Secondly, lucrative or not there would be riots in The Netherlands if the subject of moving these clubs to the Bundesliga or any other league ever came up. The Dutch are quite content with their league and most clubs are well supported. The Eredivise has opened up in the past decade with teams such as FC Twente and AZ adding their name to the honours list. Apologies, just wanted to use two big Dutch clubs as an example
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 30 January 2011 Posted 30 January 2011 I think the main problem in the whole arguement is that fact we have a few Welsh teams in our league. Although I dont agree with them being in our league, why is it fair we can have some Welsh temas but not Scottish? There are pros and cons about the Old Firm coiming down here. But I think if they wanted to come they would have to start at the bottom, in League 2. You cant just throw them in at the top i.e the Premier League. I dont think I really want them in our league though there would be good points coming from it, like bigger crowdsa, etc.
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