Guest BlueBrett Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Can't believe Elokobi has been cruelly overlooked so far!
shen Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Craig Gordon Alan Hutton David Weir Stephen McManus Charlie Mulgrew Jamie Forrest Darren Fletcher Scott Brown Graham Dorrans Kris Boyd Kenny Miller Who?
Langston Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Really?? Really. I don't think Fabregas has the same game-changing ability that Gerrard has. He's a wonderful player, but personally, I always feel that Gerrard has that something in his locker to win games single handedly for Liverpool, as has been proven time after time. It may not be popular to rank an Englishman within the top 5 midfielders in the world, for some reason it's now become fashionable to despise our national team, but if you don't think Gerrard is up there with the very best, you're letting spite cloud your judgement. No doubt if he had a suave name and played on the continent he'd make most people's squads.
shen Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Really. I don't think Fabregas has the same game-changing ability that Gerrard has. He's a wonderful player, but personally, I always feel that Gerrard has that something in his locker to win games single handedly for Liverpool, as has been proven time after time. It may not be popular to rank an Englishman within the top 5 midfielders in the world, for some reason it's now become fashionable to despise our national team, but if you don't think Gerrard is up there with the very best, you're letting spite cloud your judgement. No doubt if he had a suave name and played on the continent he'd make most people's squads. He's done nothing for a whole year that makes me think he's even close to the best five midfielders in the world. On top of his game, there's few that would doubt his game-changing abilities. But to me it looks like he's already past his best and it's only going one way now...
Langston Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 He's done nothing for a whole year that makes me think he's even close to the best five midfielders in the world. Who in a Liverpool side horrifically mis-managed by Benitez and Hodgson has shone though?
Finnegan Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Craig Gordon Alan Hutton David Weir Stephen McManus Charlie Mulgrew Jamie Forrest Darren Fletcher Scott Brown Graham Dorrans Kris Boyd Kenny Miller I'd literally only take Gordon (maybe,) Hutton and Fletcher over anyone in a 'best' Wales 11.
sdb Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 wouldn't be surprised if he exact same team has been posted Casillas D.Alves Pique Puyol Cole Xavi Iniesta Sneijder Ronaldo Villa Messi
shen Posted 10 February 2011 Posted 10 February 2011 Who in a Liverpool side horrifically mis-managed by Benitez and Hodgson has shone though? Plenty have played to their ability (Carragher, Kyrgiakos, Lucas, Kuyt etc), but when Torres and Gerrard don't perform their best, it looks a very ordinary side. And to say Benitez has mis-managed Liverpool is harsh to the extreme!
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 10 February 2011 Posted 10 February 2011 Really. I don't think Fabregas has the same game-changing ability that Gerrard has. He's a wonderful player, but personally, I always feel that Gerrard has that something in his locker to win games single handedly for Liverpool, as has been proven time after time. It may not be popular to rank an Englishman within the top 5 midfielders in the world, for some reason it's now become fashionable to despise our national team, but if you don't think Gerrard is up there with the very best, you're letting spite cloud your judgement. No doubt if he had a suave name and played on the continent he'd make most people's squads. Why are Liverpool not winning games then
Darkon84 Posted 10 February 2011 Posted 10 February 2011 Really. I don't think Fabregas has the same game-changing ability that Gerrard has. He's a wonderful player, but personally, I always feel that Gerrard has that something in his locker to win games single handedly for Liverpool, as has been proven time after time. It may not be popular to rank an Englishman within the top 5 midfielders in the world, for some reason it's now become fashionable to despise our national team, but if you don't think Gerrard is up there with the very best, you're letting spite cloud your judgement. No doubt if he had a suave name and played on the continent he'd make most people's squads. Have to agree, that on his day, Gerrard is/was class, but i dont think he'l ever regain his form of past. I didnt menion Fabregas, but feel free to continue creating opinions for me, its fun to see whatI can think up, without thinking. Also, assuming that if he was foreign it would make a difference, if he was currently good enough, he would be in peoples teams, but he isnt, so thats that. Oh, and whos that in your av? he looks very fashionable, is he foreign? Why are Liverpool not winning games then This.
Langston Posted 10 February 2011 Posted 10 February 2011 Plenty have played to their ability (Carragher, Kyrgiakos, Lucas, Kuyt etc), but when Torres and Gerrard don't perform their best, it looks a very ordinary side. And to say Benitez has mis-managed Liverpool is harsh to the extreme! Benitez is a horrific manager who did nothing but dine out on his (albeit remarkable) Champions League win in 2005 whilst at Anfield. Lucas really is only just starting to come into his own, though I do agree some of the criticism levelled at him is harsh, there can be no denying his at times astoundingly shit form. He managed to ruin Ryan Babel who was such an exciting, promising talent when he arrived from Ajax, purely because he didn't nurture him the way a first rate manager should have. I reckon you could count the number of young player that excelled at Liverpool under Benitez in less than five fingers. The amounts he spent while there, too, compared to the amounts he brought in, outweigh each other tremendously. Why are Liverpool not winning games then Because one man doesn't make a team, perhaps? No matter how good they are? Have to agree, that on his day, Gerrard is/was class, but i dont think he'l ever regain his form of past. I didnt menion Fabregas, but feel free to continue creating opinions for me, its fun to see whatI can think up, without thinking. Also, assuming that if he was foreign it would make a difference, if he was currently good enough, he would be in peoples teams, but he isnt, so thats that. Oh, and whos that in your av? he looks very fashionable, is he foreign? The Fabregas comparison was merely because alot of people had chosen him in their teams, and he's someone I'd cite as being weaker than Gerrard, I then gave the reason for it. I didn't say you had brought Fabregas up, it's just alot of people have had him feautred, when I don't think he influences games as much as Gerrard. I honestly think nationality does make a difference in today's climate where it seems almost uncool to praise any player that's represented our country recently. People would much rather leave someone out and include someone else if they represent a more clean cut professional, regardless of ability, in these fantasy teams. Personally I can't stand Steven Gerrard, but there really is no doubt for me about his status as one of the top central midfielders in the world. It's all personal preference, mind, no need to be a tac-hole. *And it's Gabriel Batistuta FYI.
Jackirius Posted 10 February 2011 Posted 10 February 2011 Casillas Ramos Pique Vidic ColeIniesta Silva FabregasRonaldo Rooney Messi
ScouseFox Posted 10 February 2011 Posted 10 February 2011 Cesar Ramos - Lucio - Pique - Cole Xavi - Sneijder - Iniesta Messi - Tevez - Ronaldo
shen Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 Benitez is a horrific manager who did nothing but dine out on his (albeit remarkable) Champions League win in 2005 whilst at Anfield. Lucas really is only just starting to come into his own, though I do agree some of the criticism levelled at him is harsh, there can be no denying his at times astoundingly shit form. He managed to ruin Ryan Babel who was such an exciting, promising talent when he arrived from Ajax, purely because he didn't nurture him the way a first rate manager should have. I reckon you could count the number of young player that excelled at Liverpool under Benitez in less than five fingers. The amounts he spent while there, too, compared to the amounts he brought in, outweigh each other tremendously. I'm sorry, but that is simply not true. He is nowhere near a 'horrific' manager. Without him they would've never had a sniff at getting a player of Torres' quality in the first place. A CL trophy, a runners-up medal, an FA Cup and a Super Cup along with the club's highest ever points total in the Premier League, suggests he's been anything but horrific. Babel has always had a horrible attitude and while he did look promising at Ajax it does say a lot that all the major clubs passed on him. And as for less than five players excelling under him that is a highly subjective view. Hyypiä, Carragher. Gerrard, Torres, Alonso, Luis Garcia, Riise are seven off the top of my head who have arguably enjoyed their best times under him at Liverpool.
NGoloMode Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 Can't see how anyone can leave Xavi out if they have seen him play.
Kent Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 Surprised no ones put The Drog up top... ...or The Yak.
Darkon84 Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 Benitez is a horrific manager who did nothing but dine out on his (albeit remarkable) Champions League win in 2005 whilst at Anfield. Lucas really is only just starting to come into his own, though I do agree some of the criticism levelled at him is harsh, there can be no denying his at times astoundingly shit form. He managed to ruin Ryan Babel who was such an exciting, promising talent when he arrived from Ajax, purely because he didn't nurture him the way a first rate manager should have. I reckon you could count the number of young player that excelled at Liverpool under Benitez in less than five fingers. The amounts he spent while there, too, compared to the amounts he brought in, outweigh each other tremendously. Because one man doesn't make a team, perhaps? No matter how good they are? The Fabregas comparison was merely because alot of people had chosen him in their teams, and he's someone I'd cite as being weaker than Gerrard, I then gave the reason for it. I didn't say you had brought Fabregas up, it's just alot of people have had him feautred, when I don't think he influences games as much as Gerrard. I honestly think nationality does make a difference in today's climate where it seems almost uncool to praise any player that's represented our country recently. People would much rather leave someone out and include someone else if they represent a more clean cut professional, regardless of ability, in these fantasy teams. Personally I can't stand Steven Gerrard, but there really is no doubt for me about his status as one of the top central midfielders in the world. It's all personal preference, mind, no need to be a tac-hole. *And it's Gabriel Batistuta FYI. I know its Batistuta, absolute legend, perhaps you didnt get the point i was trying to put across when i said that. nevermind. Personally id go with Xabi Alonso (criminally underrated) ahead of Gerrard and Fabregas
Finnegan Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 Anyone who thinks Benitez is a "horrendous" manager is either using excessive hyperbole or is an idiot. He certainly isn't a world class manager but you don't get to two Champions League finals with, let's face it, a very average squad and deserve to be ridiculed. From the outside looking in it seems like Benitez has horrendous people management skills and a fairly sloppy eye for business but what he does have is an exceptional knack for setting his side out to be successful for important, one-off-games. He will never be a Mourinho or a Ferguson, or even a Wenger, but you'll find few better tactical managers in the sport. I've long felt (and seen it written) that he'd be an excellent international manager and if he could avoid falling out with any stars of his playing pool I think he probably would.
Dickie Greenleaf Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 The Fabregas comparison was merely because alot of people had chosen him in their teams, and he's someone I'd cite as being weaker than Gerrard, I then gave the reason for it. I didn't say you had brought Fabregas up, it's just alot of people have had him feautred, when I don't think he influences games as much as Gerrard.
Fox92 Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 Julio Cesar Lahm Lucio Vidic Cole Gerrard Fabregas Iniesta Ronaldo Tevez/Drogba -- Can't decide! Messi
shen Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 Anyone who thinks Benitez is a "horrendous" manager is either using excessive hyperbole or is an idiot. He certainly isn't a world class manager but you don't get to two Champions League finals with, let's face it, a very average squad and deserve to be ridiculed. From the outside looking in it seems like Benitez has horrendous people management skills and a fairly sloppy eye for business but what he does have is an exceptional knack for setting his side out to be successful for important, one-off-games. He will never be a Mourinho or a Ferguson, or even a Wenger, but you'll find few better tactical managers in the sport. I've long felt (and seen it written) that he'd be an excellent international manager and if he could avoid falling out with any stars of his playing pool I think he probably would. Not forgetting an UEFA Cup as well. And while I don't disagree with any of that, you fail to mention his success in the league, which I think is unfair as he's won two La Liga titles with a non-Real/Barca side and gotten the highest points total with Liverpool. He might not be as charismatic or popular as the names you mention, but his overall results are certainly comparable to the best in the business.
Guest ttfn Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 Casillas Lahm Ferdinand Vidic Cole Xabi Alonso Xavi Iniesta Messi Villa Ronaldo
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lcfc_jme Posted 13 February 2011 Posted 13 February 2011 Would have to be an adaptation of 3-5-2, with the 2nd striker being Ronaldo. Essentially, Masch would sit and sweep everything up, with Iniesta, Xavi and Messi never losing the ball in the middle and the Drog and Ronaldo giving headaches up top. Ronaldo could drop into the "midfield 4" of Masch, Iniesta, Xavi and Sneijder when defending to turn it into a 5 owing to his aerial ability and engine. Casillas Lucio Vidic Puyol Mascherano Iniesta Xavi Sneijder Messi Ronaldo Drogba
iBleedLeicesterColours Posted 13 February 2011 Posted 13 February 2011 Casillas Maicon Vidic Terry A.ColeXavi GerrardMessi Fabregas Ronaldo Drogba/Tevez subs: Schweinsteiger Villa Robben Pique Dani Alves Essien Julio Cesar
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