tattva Posted 16 February 2011 Posted 16 February 2011 Hello I am currently studying for an MA in Journalism and Mass Communication and have just finished an intensive week on Sports Journalism. Although living in Australia I am an ex-pat Englishman studying part-time as a mature student. Part of the assessment is to write a blog, the core of which will be based on Andy Carroll’s rehabilitation from injury following his 35 million pound transfer to Liverpool. As a parallel story I shall be following Leicester City in their bid for promotion as the whole squad at the Walkers Stadium is valued at 35 million. I was just wondering if any members would be interested in taking a look at my blog. If anyone has any views on Eriksson and the revival since he took over, the new owners and the chances of making the play-offs and even reaching the Premier League for next year feel free to post here or on my blog. Any opinions posted here may be used on my blog, which you will attributed with and I'll also place a Foxes Talk banner on the post. http://alexandertate.wordpress.com/ Thanks for your time. Alex
OmnipresentSam Posted 16 February 2011 Posted 16 February 2011 I like the concept of this a lot. Good luck with it all, I'll be reading every now and then!
James. Posted 16 February 2011 Posted 16 February 2011 Interesting idea, I like it. Out of interest where did you get the 35 million figure from? Did you have a breakdown by player?
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 16 February 2011 Posted 16 February 2011 Interesting idea, I like it. Out of interest where did you get the 35 million figure from? Did you have a breakdown by player? Yes agreed, a good read in general but where has £35 Million for our entire squad come from? i would of thought in transfer fees this figure is in fact alot less?
Babylon Posted 16 February 2011 Posted 16 February 2011 You could buy the stadium and our squad for £35m... and you'd have some spare change at the end.
Babylon Posted 16 February 2011 Posted 16 February 2011 20% of our club was bought for £20m You sure about that?
Captain... Posted 16 February 2011 Posted 16 February 2011 It's an intersting comparison, but I am also curious as to the valuation of our squad. If it is on transfer fees for the players, Yakubu's last fee was 11.5 million Naughton around 5-6 million Waghorn 2 million Gallagher 1 million Wellens 1 million Abe 500k (this is a guess really) Bamba 250K Tunchev 375k Oakley 500k Howard 1.5 million Which makes it about 24 million The rest are nominal fees, frees and youth teamers so in terms of transfer value probably at most 2 million (a complete guess here) but certainly not 11 million. Now if you are taking a valuation of each player, then I would be interested to know what you have used to value them. According to people on here Andy King is worth between 5-90 million Patrick Van Aanholt is potnetially worth 10-15 million if he lives up to his potential as will Bruma, but all of this is specualtion. Mee and Naughton potentially worth 7-8 million each. Bamba has made a mockery of his price tag and is clearly worth 10 times that amount at least. Like I said it would be interesting to know how you reached that valuation. You should also bear in mind that Carroll only cost as much as he did because of the Torres move. There is no way Liverpool valued him at 35 million, but as Torres = 15million + Carrol, is not a bad bit of business for a much younger player, Torres' value is only going to drop and Carroll's is going to rise, a gamble for the reds, especially as he is injured, but one that could pay off massively. Not to mention they will probably be making ahuge saving on his wages compared to Torres too.
tattva Posted 16 February 2011 Author Posted 16 February 2011 Hello Thanks for taking an interest. It's easy enough to write a blog to no one in particular but when fans of Leicester City get reading and asking questions then it gives the writing real weight. I'll tackle the main question that has been raised, the value of the squad. Having thought of the idea there needed to be research into clubs, values and if there was any point to the comparison. I got lucky as the valuation, from www.transfermarkt.co.uk, at the time of the transfer window closing was 34.6 million. There was also the change of ownership and a change of manager during the season for both Liverpool and Leicester City. Whilst not the core of the blog it does add interest. The Transfer Markt website was the only one I could find to list squad values across many countries, it's a fascinating site and updates these values all the time. Today's value of Leicester is 36.1 million. How they arrive at the figures I'm unsure but for the purpose of the blog I'll use their information. Captain Shrapnel makes a fair comment regarding Carroll's true value. Newcastle knew Liverpool had money and that they needed to replace Torres. The content of the blog is mainly to compare the two sides with similar recent ownership and managerial history and that market value places Andy Carroll at the same price as the whole squad for Leicester, at approximately 35 million pounds. Nothing more, nothing less. If I'd used more detailed and accurate pricing then the blog would turn into a financial one rather than one of two tales centred around 35 million pounds, which hopefully will be a more interesting read. Oh and can anyone tell me why I have Ian Marshall under my avatar? Regards Alex
shen Posted 16 February 2011 Posted 16 February 2011 Hello Thanks for taking an interest. It's easy enough to write a blog to no one in particular but when fans of Leicester City get reading and asking questions then it gives the writing real weight. I'll tackle the main question that has been raised, the value of the squad. Having thought of the idea there needed to be research into clubs, values and if there was any point to the comparison. I got lucky as the valuation, from www.transfermarkt.co.uk, at the time of the transfer window closing was 34.6 million. There was also the change of ownership and a change of manager during the season for both Liverpool and Leicester City. Whilst not the core of the blog it does add interest. The Transfer Markt website was the only one I could find to list squad values across many countries, it's a fascinating site and updates these values all the time. Today's value of Leicester is 36.1 million. How they arrive at the figures I'm unsure but for the purpose of the blog I'll use their information. Captain Shrapnel makes a fair comment regarding Carroll's true value. Newcastle knew Liverpool had money and that they needed to replace Torres. The content of the blog is mainly to compare the two sides with similar recent ownership and managerial history and that market value places Andy Carroll at the same price as the whole squad for Leicester, at approximately 35 million pounds. Nothing more, nothing less. If I'd used more detailed and accurate pricing then the blog would turn into a financial one rather than one of two tales centred around 35 million pounds, which hopefully will be a more interesting read. Oh and can anyone tell me why I have Ian Marshall under my avatar? Regards Alex Looking at that site, some of the market values listed are not realistic transfer values nor are they reflective of their worth to the club in contributions. We might well have Yakubu, Naughton etc, but they're on loan so it's not like we can sell them and realise their potential value in cash. Mee doesn't even have a value attached to him at all despite now being a starter and MotM performer in a team flying up the league. How a player like Wellens, who won Championship player of the month for January including a MotM performance against Man City, is valued at 660k, the same as the 33 year old reserve left-back Berner, while a reserve keeper that has hardly featured at all is valued at 440k and a 35 year old striker who is out of the picture is worth a staggering 704k is a bit odd. You can choose to use them as your source, but I'd really look into what they take into account when assessing market values of players as it seems a bit random and not a reflection of transfer value, which is essentially what you're comparing it with. I'm interested in the blog even if I'm puzzled about its purpose and applicability. Best of luck with it Ian Marshall is a former Leicester player, and he reflects your status as a newcomer on the forum boards I believe
kyle09uk Posted 16 February 2011 Posted 16 February 2011 20% of our club was bought for £20m Is that Yakubu? what happened haha Paint him GREEEN!
Captain... Posted 16 February 2011 Posted 16 February 2011 Interesting website transfermarkt, I presume that there is some statistical analysis behind goals, caps, performances and such like to generate the transfer value, but it is clearly not a reflection of the actual market. I would like to know how the work out the value, but it doesn't seem to want to give me any clues. Does it take into account things like length of contract and any buy out clauses or is it purely perfrormance related. Whilst I'm sure a lot of people will disagree with their valuations, I think that whatever valuations were placed on our squad we would disagree to some level. I think 35 million is probably not a bad estimate of our squad value, but clearly King is worth more than 1 million and there is no way Moreno is worth more than Wellens, but then thats statistics for you. Good luck with the blog, will you still be writing it in 16 months time when Leicester beat Liverpool in the FA cup final?
Greg2607 Posted 16 February 2011 Posted 16 February 2011 Blimey!!! give the guy a break, he is trying to make us aware of a project that he is doing that is relevant to our club and your giving him pelters because his valuation is "way off". Let's give him our support, read his blog with interest and not forensically disect every little piece of information. It this was an article written in the national press we would be sat here praising them for valuing our squad at £35m and talking about "how far we'd come in such little time"!!
Captain... Posted 16 February 2011 Posted 16 February 2011 Blimey!!! give the guy a break, he is trying to make us aware of a project that he is doing that is relevant to our club and your giving him pelters because his valuation is "way off". Let's give him our support, read his blog with interest and not forensically disect every little piece of information. It this was an article written in the national press we would be sat here praising them for valuing our squad at £35m and talking about "how far we'd come in such little time"!! Nobody is giving him "pelters", we were just curious where his valuation came from. Now we know we are querying the website not him. There is more likely than not going to be a statistical analysis behind the transfermarkt valuations, and people will always have different opinions on true worth. Statistically Andy King may only be worth 1 million, but we know that he is worth so much more to the club. We are certainly a club going through exciting times and it makes for a much more interesting comparison than say QPR it should be an interesting blog, although I hope for the bloggers sake Andy Carroll gets fit soon or it will be a very one sided comparison.
Haydos Posted 16 February 2011 Posted 16 February 2011 Moreno more than twice the value of Wellens, Oakley also a couple of 100k more. Kingy at 1.1m, less than Vassell and Weale. Howard the same as Waghorn. Tbh you can't take much at all from this site. I'd be interested to know what they base it on. Good luck with your project though
shen Posted 16 February 2011 Posted 16 February 2011 Blimey!!! give the guy a break, he is trying to make us aware of a project that he is doing that is relevant to our club and your giving him pelters because his valuation is "way off". Let's give him our support, read his blog with interest and not forensically disect every little piece of information. It this was an article written in the national press we would be sat here praising them for valuing our squad at £35m and talking about "how far we'd come in such little time"!! I don't see why he shouldn't aim for something that is accurate, even if it's not a scientific article. As a journalist, he should present the facts correctly and ask the right questions, or am I completely wrong here? The aim of the blog is to compare the two clubs in two arguably very different divisions on the basis of 'what £35m gets you'. Now for this comparison to work, the premise has to be in order. While Liverpool did indeed spend £35m on an injured and hardly proven player, the notion that our squad has a total transfer market value equivalent to Carroll's is wildly speculative to say the least. When you look at the source, you realise that the basis of that assessment is very dubious. If the premise is not valid then the whole comparison is basically useless and a waste of time. People here are just foreseeing the inevitable questions that will be asked once the comparison is made.
Alexikokopops Posted 16 February 2011 Posted 16 February 2011 I don't see why he shouldn't aim for something that is accurate, even if it's not a scientific article. As a journalist, he should present the facts correctly and ask the right questions, or am I completely wrong here? The aim of the blog is to compare the two clubs in two arguably very different divisions on the basis of 'what £35m gets you'. Now for this comparison to work, the premise has to be in order. While Liverpool did indeed spend £35m on an injured and hardly proven player, the notion that our squad has a total transfer market value equivalent to Carroll's is wildly speculative to say the least. When you look at the source, you realise that the basis of that assessment is very dubious. If the premise is not valid then the whole comparison is basically useless and a waste of time. People here are just foreseeing the inevitable questions that will be asked once the comparison is made. But the very nature of player value is so subjective. We've seen it ourselves with Andy King being valued between £5 and about £400 million. From my understanding of the blog (which I've only got from skim reading this thread) the £35 million is an excuse to write about the fortunes of two club that have had similar-ish stories, not necessarily what £35 million can get you. I've also only skim read your post, so sorry if I'm completely barking up the wrong tree with this reply!
shen Posted 16 February 2011 Posted 16 February 2011 But the very nature of player value is so subjective. We've seen it ourselves with Andy King being valued between £5 and about £400 million. From my understanding of the blog (which I've only got from skim reading this thread) the £35 million is an excuse to write about the fortunes of two club that have had similar-ish stories, not necessarily what £35 million can get you. I've also only skim read your post, so sorry if I'm completely barking up the wrong tree with this reply! In short: Carroll had a transfer value of £35m, and the site claims the 'market value' of LCFCs squad is about the same. However, closer scrutiny shows that the values attached to our players are unrealistic in transfer market terms. Hence why I think it would be wise to find out how those valuations are made. And as far as I understand it, the secondary goal of the blog (following Leicester) is exactly 'what £35m can get you'. Otherwise it would be rather random and pointless to even follow our progress on the side.
Len Finsbury Posted 16 February 2011 Posted 16 February 2011 I think some people are getting value and cost mixed up.
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