He's not bald Posted 10 March 2011 Posted 10 March 2011 Exactly why , when we were in the position we were in, is not makIng the play offs not a failure? How can the fans on here go from 'we are the best team in the division ' and 'look certs for promotion' only a couple or three weeks ago to now be accepting that we probably wont even make the play offs?..... Accept it, take it on the chin and agree that, however well the swede had done, he and the team have well and truly fooked things up over the past two weeks...im not surprised as I never thought either sven or his signings were gonna be quite enough....the mistake the city fans make over and over again is getting carried away by a few wins suddenly making us world beaters...keep a level head, some common sense and bear in mind that Sven is an average manager of men... If he was any better would he be here? I've followed city for decades, love my club and now know one thing to be true... Never get too excited cos, with the exception of Oneill we usually flatter to deceive.. A phrase which. In my opinion, sums up mr eriksen very well Brilliant,truly brilliant...been looking for the words and you have summed it up superbly!
21st Century Fox Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 I merely tried to say that I dont rate Sven very much as a motivator... he's a nice bloke apparently..my mate has rented him a flat and said he's a real gent, very interesting etc... but I've never found him inspiring and, as I wrote on here a week after Sven joined us, just ask the Man City fans who claimed that he's a one trick pony tactically - there isn't a great deal of Plan B if Plan A don't work. Get it right and behave yourself - I'm as passionate as any about my club getting success - but I'm too long in the tooth to get all excited after we have had a few wins - and I simply said that Im not surprised that Sven and the team have capitulated at exactly the wrong time. This don't mean you have to become Woody Allen.... For the record, it won't surprise me if we do well next season.... but that will be due to Thai money, not to Sven Eriksen (in my opinion) There... no need to be nasty is there Have you been to many of Sven's training sessions and half time team talks then? I don't know how him inspiring you as a fan has any relevance to how he motivates and inspires the team. He's known in the game as being an excellent man manager! Every Man City fan I've ever heard from were truly gutted that Sven was shown the door, so were the Man City squad (remember the 8-1 Middlesbrough game). You can have all the money in the world but you have to spend it well and I'm fairly sure Sven Goran ERIKSSON has his head screwed on in this department. (He also has Tord Grip scouting for us). After every team we've played since Sven has got us going again, win or lose most opposition managers have said we've been the best team they've played all season! Even Warnock agreed! I'm still astounded at how many of our fans are still unhappy at having Sven as our manager! You guys need to forget the crap you read about him in The Sun when he was England manager and remember just how high caliber a manager he is! Yes he's fallible as anyone is but he's probably the best manager in the division. To say that if we do well next season, it'll be down to money and not him is UTTER drivel!
Guest Col city fan Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 Have you been to many of Sven's training sessions and half time team talks then? I don't know how him inspiring you as a fan has any relevance to how he motivates and inspires the team. He's known in the game as being an excellent man manager! Every Man City fan I've ever heard from were truly gutted that Sven was shown the door, so were the Man City squad (remember the 8-1 Middlesbrough game). You can have all the money in the world but you have to spend it well and I'm fairly sure Sven Goran ERIKSSON has his head screwed on in this department. (He also has Tord Grip scouting for us). After every team we've played since Sven has got us going again, win or lose most opposition managers have said we've been the best team they've played all season! Even Warnock agreed! I'm still astounded at how many of our fans are still unhappy at having Sven as our manager! You guys need to forget the crap you read about him in The Sun when he was England manager and remember just how high caliber a manager he is! Yes he's fallible as anyone is but he's probably the best manager in the division. To say that if we do well next season, it'll be down to money and not him is UTTER drivel! Again.... how many more times does this have to be explained.. look at the table... it don't lie... Grayson at Leeds (came up last year, little money, great signings), Lambert at Norwich (came up last year, little money, relatively few signings). Now these two fellas, in my opinion, are TOP managers - young, enthusiastic, have the knack of making silk purses out of sows ears... akin to O'Neil in this respect. Sven has had what.... more than half a season.... lots of cash, and we are struggling to make the play-offs now What we should all now be saying is: Sven is a star, his signings have paid-off, we are better than Norwich and Leeds and we are looking forward to going to Wembley.... however, they havent, we arent and I dont think we will.
MC Prussian Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 Again.... how many more times does this have to be explained.. look at the table... it don't lie... Grayson at Leeds (came up last year, little money, great signings), Lambert at Norwich (came up last year, little money, relatively few signings). Now these two fellas, in my opinion, are TOP managers - young, enthusiastic, have the knack of making silk purses out of sows ears... akin to O'Neil in this respect. Sven has had what.... more than half a season.... lots of cash, and we are struggling to make the play-offs now What we should all now be saying is: Sven is a star, his signings have paid-off, we are better than Norwich and Leeds and we are looking forward to going to Wembley.... however, they havent, we arent and I dont think we will. It's fans like you that I don't understand. Your level of expectations is so unreal and/or ****le. And so are many, many other's this season. Where were you and your fellow "supporters" when we were really shit (circa 2004 to 2008) or during the Sousa Dilemma? Fans like you to me the come across as a bunch of mindless thugs who just do anything in their powers to discredit and belittle Sven-Göran Eriksson, the second most successful England manager in history, because of his rather successful tenure with us so far (spot the contradiction? I'll explain it further down this post) and/or failure to win a European or World Championship. Just because he is Sven. And Ricardo is just another easy scapegoat, a projection surface for all Portugal haters and the fact that he almost single-handedly (sic) succeeded twice against England on the international stage in the past. It's closet racism because of its tendency of discrediting people based on their heritage. Or, to put it bluntly, haters keep hatin'. Both Grayson and Lambert (two "proper" Brits, eh?) have been able to work with more or less the same players for more than one entire season. They have both had the opportunity to build a squad according to their wishes and systems. They also have chairmen/chairwomen that have been in their position for quite a while, investing wisely over a longer period of time, as well. They're also managers who know the English leagues pretty well, which helps them to spot British talent early on. Hardly comparable to the circus at Leicester in the past couple of years and Sven's signings, is it? Leeds' and Norwich's strategy is paying off. Well, it is paying off now. But it doesn't mean they're free from making the odd mistake themselves. Grayson had rocky spells with Leeds before, and so did Lambert with Norwich. Who says they won't be failing in the near future? Football is a funny old game, and managers come and go so easily and quickly, I wouldn't rule it out with those two names, either. You know, Sven was young and enthusiastic... once. He won National Championships in Sweden, Portugal and had cup successes in Italy. And, regardless of his age, he still has the knack for managing and the desire to win. Don't write him off yet. What I'm trying to say is: You go on about how good the others are, when in fact, we do have a great manager and it's a waste of space speculating about other teams when we, as Leicester fans, should focus on supporting our own team as much as we can, be it home or away. Then you go on contradicting yourself when you slate Sven for the 6 months he's been with us - hardly enough time to turn it around? I repeat again: We were bottom at the table at one point and are now 10th in the Championship. I mean, this achievement alone is pretty outstanding. Or would you have preferred another relegation to League One? I doubt you'd have shown up at home or away games at all if that had happened. Also, as for your "money" argument, it's not just about money, it's what you do with it. Even though our financial situation is more rosy than under Milan Mandaric, you can only spend so much. Particularely, when you think of investing wisely. Only a fool would spend all the money available at once. Imagine the risk involved if we had gotten hold of the likes of Owen or Wright-Phillips before the January transfer window, only to find out that they weren't helping the team at all. It would be a much fairer assessment to judge Sven and the Thais after this summer's activities and the pre-season. That we are where we are right now is an acomplishment in itself. I am grateful for that fact that we're mixing up the upper parts of the Championship table and still have a chance of giving the playoffs a shot. Yes, I hate losing like everybody else, but comes the next game, I'm there again, wishing for an exciting game and three points in the bag. That's football. Love it or leave it. We can be better than Norwich or Leeds and we can still make it to Wembley.
21st Century Fox Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 You mean Grayson whose been at Leeds since 2008 and Lambert whose been at Norwich since 2009 have managed to put together stronger squads than Sven whose been here over half a season!!! Yes they've done well, as Pearson did with us last season but you can't judge Sven after not even having a whole season!! When he's actually had a preseason with us and managed to bring in his own players then judge him. You keep saying "lots of cash" but other than wages how much has he actually spent! Patrick van Aanholt (Loan) Jeffrey Bruma (Loan) Kyle Naughton (Loan) Yakubu Aiyegbeni (Loan) Ben Mee (Loan) Sol Bamba (£300,000 ?) Ricardo Pereira (Free) Darius Vassell (Free) Other than attracting loans from big clubs he hasn't managed to really put his stamp on the squad permanently yet. Again you can have all the money in the world but if the players aren't available to buy its not much good. Can you remember where we were when Sven took over!! Promotion was always a long shot with the start we had and you're complaining that he didn't work a miracle with only one transfer window available to him.
Raj Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 Again.... how many more times does this have to be explained.. look at the table... it don't lie... Grayson at Leeds (came up last year, little money, great signings), Lambert at Norwich (came up last year, little money, relatively few signings). Now these two fellas, in my opinion, are TOP managers - young, enthusiastic, have the knack of making silk purses out of sows ears... akin to O'Neil in this respect. Sven has had what.... more than half a season.... lots of cash, and we are struggling to make the play-offs now What we should all now be saying is: Sven is a star, his signings have paid-off, we are better than Norwich and Leeds and we are looking forward to going to Wembley.... however, they havent, we arent and I dont think we will. Are you a simpleton? Just ask yourself this simple question...Where in the League were LCFC when Sven took over? Now ask yourself this if itn not hurting your head too much.....Where are we now and do we Still have a chance(albeit slim) of a play off place? So sven may have made mistakes of late but he has saved us from almost definite relegation as we were so shite under Sousa.
Guest Col city fan Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 Are you a simpleton? Just ask yourself this simple question...Where in the League were LCFC when Sven took over? Now ask yourself this if itn not hurting your head too much.....Where are we now and do we Still have a chance(albeit slim) of a play off place? So sven may have made mistakes of late but he has saved us from almost definite relegation as we were so shite under Sousa. So sven may have made mistakes of late thanks my making my argument for me...are YOU a simpleton?
21st Century Fox Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 So sven may have made mistakes of late thanks my making my argument for me...are YOU a simpleton? I'm assuming you're a WUM then.
Guest Col city fan Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 I'm assuming you're a WUM then. new to here... dont even know what a WUM is? talk english mate...
21st Century Fox Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 Wind Up Merchant. So what is your argument? That Sven makes mistakes!? Yes we can all admit that he's human and fallible. But not a miracle worker.
Bugg Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 new to here... dont even know what a WUM is? talk english mate... WUM
MC Prussian Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 new to here... dont even know what a WUM is? talk english mate... In all seriousness, since when have you been following the team? And how old are you?
Babylon Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 but I'm too long in the tooth to get all excited after we have had a few wins Perhaps you should use that same method and not start with all the vitriol after a few defeats. We had all this before Christmas, the usual suspects slagging Sven off because we had dared to not perform and win a few games. Those people were then made to look pretty bloody stupid for the following 3 months. Then we hit another poor spell (happens to EVERY team) and they all flood back again with their daggers out acting like we were never bottom of the table, and forgetting completely every single good thing that's happened since he arrived.
Guest Col city fan Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 In all seriousness, since when have you been following the team? And how old are you? in all seriousness.... 42 and been following City since I was old enough to go into Pen 1 seen managers come and go... the only really good ones we have had, in my lifetime anyway... were Jock Wallace, O'Neill, Micky Adams to be fair did a good job and, of course, Nige Pearson Let me make it clear, I'm not a WUM (thanks for the explanation) - I merely don't rate Sven - he's done a decent job to get us out of Sousa's mess but a couple or so weeks ago we had the chance to really turn the screw, and have showed to be lacking. Lambert and Grayson havent... just a fact really - I dont go out to slag anyone off, am polite in my responses (unlike many on here and, from what I've read thus far, 'Babylon' seems to be particularly vitriolic) but am not a big lover of Sven. How old are you?
Babylon Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 Lambert and Grayson They have had longer with their teams. They have have a pre season. They have had a summer transfer window. They have both had iffy spells (Leeds fans wanted rid of Grayson) They both have teams full of confidence due to promotion (Do you think it's a coincidence so many teams coming up do well in their first season back) (unlike many on here and, from what I've read thus far, 'Babylon' seems to be particularly vitriolic) but am not a big lover of Sven. How old are you? Yeah sure, that's why it's me everyone is having a go at... errrr nope it's you.
MC Prussian Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 in all seriousness.... 42 and been following City since I was old enough to go into Pen 1 seen managers come and go... the only really good ones we have had, in my lifetime anyway... were Jock Wallace, O'Neill, Micky Adams to be fair did a good job and, of course, Nige Pearson Let me make it clear, I'm not a WUM (thanks for the explanation) - I merely don't rate Sven - he's done a decent job to get us out of Sousa's mess but a couple or so weeks ago we had the chance to really turn the screw, and have showed to be lacking. Lambert and Grayson havent... just a fact really - I dont go out to slag anyone off, am polite in my responses (unlike many on here and, from what I've read thus far, 'Babylon' seems to be particularly vitriolic) but am not a big lover of Sven. How old are you? So you do remember the periods during which Leicester where a yo-yo club and switching between Division One and Two on a more or less regular basis. So you should have a more relaxed and relative view of things, as I'd assume in this case. Funny that you omit the dash periods in the late 80ies and early 90ies (before the O'Neill era) or some of the dire appointments in between 2001 and 2008 (Adams excluded). Coincidence? Or is it just that the more successful spells stick to your mind more easily? Why don't you rate Sven when he's only been in charge for half a year and then compare him to managers who have been in their position for quite a while and been able to build onto it? Why don't you see that your comparison is rather... far-fetched? And I'm 30.
Babylon Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 42 Hmmmm the same age as a certain other member who held exactly the same views as you, and posted in a very similar style to you. Funnily enough you joined at exactly the same time their posts were put on preview... Coincidence? I think not.
Bugg Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 in all seriousness.... 42 and been following City since I was old enough to go into Pen 1 seen managers come and go... the only really good ones we have had, in my lifetime anyway... were Jock Wallace, O'Neill, Micky Adams to be fair did a good job and, of course, Nige Pearson Let me make it clear, I'm not a WUM (thanks for the explanation) - I merely don't rate Sven - he's done a decent job to get us out of Sousa's mess but a couple or so weeks ago we had the chance to really turn the screw, and have showed to be lacking. Lambert and Grayson havent... just a fact really - I dont go out to slag anyone off, am polite in my responses (unlike many on here and, from what I've read thus far, 'Babylon' seems to be particularly vitriolic) but am not a big lover of Sven. How old are you? No he doesn't. You've been the one who has come on spouting shit about how everyone isn't good enough and about how Grayson and Lambert are better than a manager who has won Serie A, the Portuguese league, the UEFA cup and several other trophies.
Babylon Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 No he doesn't. To be fair, I can be a dick sometimes.
Simmo86 Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 To be fair, I can be a dick sometimes. Sometimes? All the time!
Bugg Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 To be fair, I can be a dick sometimes. But you're FT's occasional dick COL OUT!
Babylon Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 Condescending! Condescending is my middle name you little man.
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