Ashamed to be a Leicester fan tonight

[EnglishOxide]

Its fairly well known that alot of Leicester fans are fickle and stupid (home fans anyway).

The pond life in L1 today was so embarassing. You had skinny little weedy kids trying to pick a fight with Norwich fans. Others trying to stare them out. Singing 'its all gone quiet over there' while at the same time Norwich are being the loudest team at the Walkers this season. Complete silence from the third goal onwards, complete silence while Jobber tried to drum up a bit of noise. The only noise made was was when Waghorn came on. Shambolic. Pathetic.

The team weren't much better but with a bit of proper support it might have been different. Good to see the Fosse Boys going at it right until the end but they are pathetically small as a group.

[Halfsy]

I thought our fans were ****ing embarassing tonight - and the reaction on here equally so.

A few points-

Firstly, we seem to have developed England fans syndrome where we have ridiculously high expectations and then throw a pissy fit when we aren't meeting those expectations. The Man City games have been my favourite this season because we expected nothing - we were on the teams side the whole time, even when we were losing. Compare that to now, the moment we go one down that is it. Any misplaced passes, any miscontrol is greeted by moans and boos. Four games ago we were so convinced we were in the playoffs or going up automatically that it seems we actually believe we should be smashing teams by 4 or 5 every week (true story - one bloke rang the ticket office and asked when he could buy his playoff ticket!). Of course we will have bad days, of course we will put in shit performances and get beat from time to time - unfortunately we're going through a bit of a bad patch but for some people it seems to be a case of counting the points before they're in and then having a panic attack that the other team were actually planning to come and make a game out of it!

Yak wasn't on his game tonight - i wouldn't try to deny that. I do wish we'd cut him the same slack as some of our other players though. He's done very well since coming to us. Yeah he has some games where he just can't get into it, and no he won't chase down every lost ball. That is the type of player he is, he does lots of work for the team that doesn't get noticed, and if he didn't have those aspects to his game he would be one of the top strikers in the world - and not playing for us. I'm absolutely certain that if Berbatov or Ibrahimovic were playing for us people would still be saying the same things.

At the same time Wellens did the same shit all game. There were several times where he stood there and watched the ball roll by, blamed other people and generally came across pretty disinterested to me - as much if not more so than the Yak - but there is no blame there?

This Ricardo business is ridiculous. I'm not going to go into whether he is a better keeper than Weale because it's basically irrelevant to the point i'm making. He doesn't pick himself. He is in a Leicester shirt so you should get behind him for the 90, end of discussion. Booing him and shouting for Weale is only going to send his confidence downhill, yes they are professional footballers so have to deal with this professionally (i.e. i don't expect them to turn around and tell us to **** off anytime soon), but on the other hand do you honestly think that it's not going to affect the whole teams morale? The most ridiculous thing is that he is now getting blamed for headers that are shooting past him point blank.

It's taken now though, you can see it in the crowd, it doesn't matter what he does he will be booed - even when it's not his fault. I think some people have built up in their heads just how good Weale was when in reality, he probably wouldn't have done any better with these goals that Ricardo has conceded.

That leads nicely to the next points.

Berner. For weeks it has been the same shit as Ricardo above - getting on PVA and Mee's backs at the first chance. Well boo boys, Berner started today, and he was ****ing shit wasn't he? Gave away a needless corner that they scored their first from (not solely blaming him - the defending of the corner was abysmal), he was caught out all game, and wasn't very good going forward, also, unsurprisingly, lacked the legs to go all game.

Waghorn - same shit. The boo boys spent all game singing for him to come on. He did and what did we get - the same poor control, poor finishing that we've seen from him most the season. Yeah he will chase everything down but his over-enthusiasm cost us a couple of needless free kicks to let them take the pressure right back off.

I'm starting to waffle a touch and i don't want to get twisted what i'm saying. The whole team was shit tonight - i don't understand the need to single out these players and cast all blame onto them, particularly when it doesn't even make sense, especially when it's to the detriment of the team as a whole. What i do think is that the reaction of the fans was embarrasing, what the team needed from us was a lift, and we gave them exactly the opposite.

Sven sees these players all day all week, we see them for their matches only. He is in a much better position than me to make these decisions and i will get behind the 11 players on the pitch and i will never boo anyone in a Leicester shirt - i wish some of you 'loyal supporters' would do the same!

Let it be said as well Norwich deserve some credit. IMO they're the best team we've had at the walkers this season, i thought they worked very very well as a team going forward.

Excellent post, the only thing i would add is that it isn't just tonight.

See you all at Glanford Park.

[Halfsy]

The pond life in L1 today was so embarassing. You had skinny little weedy kids trying to pick a fight with Norwich fans. Others trying to stare them out. Singing 'its all gone quiet over there' while at the same time Norwich are being the loudest team at the Walkers this season. Complete silence from the third goal onwards, complete silence while Jobber tried to drum up a bit of noise. The only noise made was was when Waghorn came on. Shambolic. Pathetic.

This is also why i moved to SK1.

When we played Sheffield United earlier in the season, one muppet behind me said, 'Who's he?' when Mark Yeates crashed a free-kick in.

He used to fvcking play for us, for Christ sake.

Morons.

[Wymsey]

I'm noticing now that after many games, new threads keep popping up about how awkward our fans are. Not surprised really as there's a lot of fans i really would slap on the back of their head (mentally, i wouldn't do it anyway) for being annoying and being plonks.

[Sods]

Embarassing, truely embarassing.

The abuse for Ricardo is shambolic, booing your own players, booing your captain? How long ago was it he lifted the league one trophy.

And I hate to sound like a twat, but it wouldn't be seen at an away game and im 90% certain its those that don't go every week and will be intrested when its going well.

If we ever did get back to the premiership I wouldn't want to be assoicated with these lot.

Give me a league one tour all over again then see your own fans being complete ignorant thick tossers.

[smudgerfox]

I don't find the dissatisfaction surprising at all. The mere presence of Sven - the mere ability of the players he has brought to the club - has led to the hype many have fallen for. And tonight we witnessed the flaws in Sven's internationally acclaimed management come home well and truly to roost....Norwich were better than us in every position - except possibly right back - yet who could imagine Sven going out and signing Wes Houlihan or Grant Holt..or any other championship player for that matter....

He falls for big names on the way down, mates from his old clubs/teams, his tactics are inflexible and his man management lamentable

So why boo Ricardo? Well how about because he's replaced one of our own players, plucked from lower leagues, magnificent for two seasons (one major error excepted) who may be imperfect but equally has turned in many match-winning performances. I for one am happpy to accept Sven's judgement that Weale isn't going to be Premiership quality but if you're going to bring in someone over his head then make sure they're demonstrably better. And that they'll become a permanent fixture. Ricardo in the air is no better than Weale and in some ways worse. And every time he gets laughably beaten by a cross he's off to the ref pretending he would have taken a leaping catch followed by a rapid throw out - if only he'd been allowed to. His distribution is the only part of his game which is better than Weale's - it seems a minor detail - compared with the skill of coping with crosses..

What about Berner? To my eyes he was fine in the first half - he crossed for Wellen's goal. In the second half he had a stinker - possible due to lack of match fitness. But like Weale, Berner has been treated horribly by Sven. He dropped him straight away for Cunningham, begged him to sign a contract when Cunningham got injured, promptly brought in Van Anholt to take his place again and then preferred Mee to him on Saturday.

It's this preference for loanees over the bedrock squad - which made the play offs last season let's not forget - which adds to the pressure to get results. Because we all know that if we don't get promoted the loanees will go back to their comfy Premiership haunts and LCFC will be literally back to square one - with barely a fully signed player that Sven truly rates. So while I can feel affection for some of the loanees - Mee (a talented young player taking his chance well), Naughton (a maginficent player who should be a first team regular somewhere - preferably LCFC) I simply cannot develop a love for the Yak (lazy, unforgiveable marking error for Norwich first goal), Ricardo (what's the point?). Van Anholt and Bruma (never going to stay in a million years) have to prove they deserve to wear the LCFC shirt.

And while Sven's strategy of recruiting top talents from the Premiership (though talents nowhere near said Premiership first team) may seem like a masterstroke when we're playing teams who pay us every respect and back off us, I think we all know that a team based on loanees is not going to cut the mustard in the kind of scrappy fight we saw last night

[SOCCERROO FOX]

Waghorn - same shit. The boo boys spent all game singing for him to come on. He did and what did we get - the same poor control, poor finishing that we've seen from him most the season. Yeah he will chase everything down but his over-enthusiasm cost us a couple of needless free kicks to let them take the pressure right back off.

I Agree with everything you say but there is nothing wrong with a bit of Waghorn Man love and people wanting to see more of him

[Haydos]

I don't find the dissatisfaction surprising at all. The mere presence of Sven - the mere ability of the players he has brought to the club - has led to the hype many have fallen for. And tonight we witnessed the flaws in Sven's internationally acclaimed management come home well and truly to roost....Norwich were better than us in every position - except possibly right back - yet who could imagine Sven going out and signing Wes Houlihan or Grant Holt..or any other championship player for that matter....

He falls for big names on the way down, mates from his old clubs/teams, his tactics are inflexible and his man management lamentable

So why boo Ricardo? Well how about because he's replaced one of our own players, plucked from lower leagues, magnificent for two seasons (one major error excepted) who may be imperfect but equally has turned in many match-winning performances. I for one am happpy to accept Sven's judgement that Weale isn't going to be Premiership quality but if you're going to bring in someone over his head then make sure they're demonstrably better. And that they'll become a permanent fixture. Ricardo in the air is no better than Weale and in some ways worse. And every time he gets laughably beaten by a cross he's off to the ref pretending he would have taken a leaping catch followed by a rapid throw out - if only he'd been allowed to. His distribution is the only part of his game which is better than Weale's - it seems a minor detail - compared with the skill of coping with crosses..

What about Berner? To my eyes he was fine in the first half - he crossed for Wellen's goal. In the second half he had a stinker - possible due to lack of match fitness. But like Weale, Berner has been treated horribly by Sven. He dropped him straight away for Cunningham, begged him to sign a contract when Cunningham got injured, promptly brought in Van Anholt to take his place again and then preferred Mee to him on Saturday.

It's this preference for loanees over the bedrock squad - which made the play offs last season let's not forget - which adds to the pressure to get results. Because we all know that if we don't get promoted the loanees will go back to their comfy Premiership haunts and LCFC will be literally back to square one - with barely a fully signed player that Sven truly rates. So while I can feel affection for some of the loanees - Mee (a talented young player taking his chance well), Naughton (a maginficent player who should be a first team regular somewhere - preferably LCFC) I simply cannot develop a love for the Yak (lazy, unforgiveable marking error for Norwich first goal), Ricardo (what's the point?). Van Anholt and Bruma (never going to stay in a million years) have to prove they deserve to wear the LCFC shirt.

And while Sven's strategy of recruiting top talents from the Premiership (though talents nowhere near said Premiership first team) may seem like a masterstroke when we're playing teams who pay us every respect and back off us, I think we all know that a team based on loanees is not going to cut the mustard in the kind of scrappy fight we saw last night

We made the playoffs playing route 1, let's be honest, not very nice football. It is NOT sustainable. The squad we had wasn't good enough for promotion, let alone the Premiership. It's good to see you'd rather we stuck around with old faces because.....I have no idea why, they've been here for a couple of years and you seem to have developed a somewhat unnatural attachment to them.

I'd rather we brought players in like Naughton, like Mee, like Bamba (obv not on loan but still), who we have a chance of signing and who can take this club forward. Obviously some of the areas will be covered with stop gaps but they are players who he believes are better. Berner's a good professional and can do a job at this level. I may feel sorry for him being dropped but I still approve of it because I feel we can do better.

It's sweet that you suddenly 'feel an attachment' to Naughton and Mee though. Surely not a coincidence that they've been better performers than PVA and Ricardo. Seemingly what it takes for a player to become untouchable for you is for them to play well for a meaningful period of time. If they don't then they're mercenaries?

[Parafox]

Good points well made in the OP.

Some City supporters remind me of the Queen lyrics " I want it all, and I want it now"

There was never a guarantee that we would get to a play-off place just as there is no guarantee for any club to be successful and win loads of games, it's in the hands of the manager and the players to produce the performances to succeed and, considering the start we had I think we have succeeded in a way.

OK, some may feel they have a right to express their opinion but to do it by booing and jeering players who, I believe, genuinely try, is totally wrong, it demoralises them or if it does actually motivate them then I think it drives some of them to over compensate and do rash things in an effort to make the crowd feel better, to be seen to be trying, if you get my meaning.

To keep the faith you have to be totally supportive. Thats not to say don't be critical but at least criticise effectively. Booing is counter-productive. Players know when they have let fans down and I believe they feel the hurt.

[Raj]

You should know by now that the average Lester fan is as thick as shite.

[Parafox]

You should know by now that the average Lester fan is as thick as shite.

I would consider myself average but I am an accredited professional with an "ology"

[The Year Of The Fox]

SMUDGERFOX- without doubt the best post ive ever read on here

[Raj]

I would consider myself average but I am an accredited professional with an "ology"

What a thickasshiteology???

xx

[teblin]

Someone on foxestalk talks sense shocker. great post.

Someone on foxestalk talks sense shocker. great post.

[kitkatmint]

Well said! Finally someone with some sense speaks up.

[anotherharboroughfox]

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[Guest Col city fan]

Exactly why , when we were in the position we were in, is not makIng the play offs not a failure? How can the fans on here go from 'we are the best team in the division ' and 'look certs for promotion' only a couple or three weeks ago to now be accepting that we probably wont even make the play offs?..... Accept it, take it on the chin and agree that, however well the swede had done, he and the team have well and truly fooked things up over the past two weeks...im not surprised as I never thought either sven or his signings were gonna be quite enough....the mistake the city fans make over and over again is getting carried away by a few wins suddenly making us world beaters...keep a level head, some common sense and bear in mind that Sven is an average manager of men... If he was any better would he be here? I've followed city for decades, love my club and now know one thing to be true... Never get too excited cos, with the exception of Oneill we usually flatter to deceive.. A phrase which. In my opinion, sums up mr eriksen very well

[cairnsy]

Hit the nail on the head for me

[Fosse Boy]

Top stuff from the OP. Completely agree.

[cambridgefox]

We were well beaten by a better side,who did their homework,worked as an organised team and could finish.End of.

Im pissed off today as the next Leicester fan is,but perhaps our post xmas form got us too excited,if we had lost a few in the middle of that run and won the last 2,everyone would have been happy.If you would have said we would have the points on the board, we have now after 9 games,we would have all been delighted .I wouldnt change a thing,because i remember going to Carrow Road earlier in the season after 9 games,thinking we were doomed.We have a lot of positives coming out of this club from the board down at the moment,a situation we have not had in years,and i know its early days but Top and co although they are foreign owners with only a little background in football,they have,as promised,put their hands in their pockets.They also show up to matches although they live half way around the world,which i praise them for,it shows they are taking an interest in the football,unlike many owners.Yes,they could pull the plug,but until that day happens,i will support them,the manager and the team for the faith they have given the club and the fans since that last Norwich game,we were a shambles back then.

[Babylon]

Well said... I didn't even want to read this thread seeing the title. Glad I did.

[OzFox]

I thought our fans were ****ing embarassing tonight - and the reaction on here equally so.

A few points-

Firstly, we seem to have developed England fans syndrome where we have ridiculously high expectations and then throw a pissy fit when we aren't meeting those expectations. The Man City games have been my favourite this season because we expected nothing - we were on the teams side the whole time, even when we were losing. Compare that to now, the moment we go one down that is it. Any misplaced passes, any miscontrol is greeted by moans and boos. Four games ago we were so convinced we were in the playoffs or going up automatically that it seems we actually believe we should be smashing teams by 4 or 5 every week (true story - one bloke rang the ticket office and asked when he could buy his playoff ticket!). Of course we will have bad days, of course we will put in shit performances and get beat from time to time - unfortunately we're going through a bit of a bad patch but for some people it seems to be a case of counting the points before they're in and then having a panic attack that the other team were actually planning to come and make a game out of it!

Yak wasn't on his game tonight - i wouldn't try to deny that. I do wish we'd cut him the same slack as some of our other players though. He's done very well since coming to us. Yeah he has some games where he just can't get into it, and no he won't chase down every lost ball. That is the type of player he is, he does lots of work for the team that doesn't get noticed, and if he didn't have those aspects to his game he would be one of the top strikers in the world - and not playing for us. I'm absolutely certain that if Berbatov or Ibrahimovic were playing for us people would still be saying the same things.

At the same time Wellens did the same shit all game. There were several times where he stood there and watched the ball roll by, blamed other people and generally came across pretty disinterested to me - as much if not more so than the Yak - but there is no blame there?

This Ricardo business is ridiculous. I'm not going to go into whether he is a better keeper than Weale because it's basically irrelevant to the point i'm making. He doesn't pick himself. He is in a Leicester shirt so you should get behind him for the 90, end of discussion. Booing him and shouting for Weale is only going to send his confidence downhill, yes they are professional footballers so have to deal with this professionally (i.e. i don't expect them to turn around and tell us to **** off anytime soon), but on the other hand do you honestly think that it's not going to affect the whole teams morale? The most ridiculous thing is that he is now getting blamed for headers that are shooting past him point blank.

It's taken now though, you can see it in the crowd, it doesn't matter what he does he will be booed - even when it's not his fault. I think some people have built up in their heads just how good Weale was when in reality, he probably wouldn't have done any better with these goals that Ricardo has conceded.

That leads nicely to the next points.

Berner. For weeks it has been the same shit as Ricardo above - getting on PVA and Mee's backs at the first chance. Well boo boys, Berner started today, and he was ****ing shit wasn't he? Gave away a needless corner that they scored their first from (not solely blaming him - the defending of the corner was abysmal), he was caught out all game, and wasn't very good going forward, also, unsurprisingly, lacked the legs to go all game.

Waghorn - same shit. The boo boys spent all game singing for him to come on. He did and what did we get - the same poor control, poor finishing that we've seen from him most the season. Yeah he will chase everything down but his over-enthusiasm cost us a couple of needless free kicks to let them take the pressure right back off.

I'm starting to waffle a touch and i don't want to get twisted what i'm saying. The whole team was shit tonight - i don't understand the need to single out these players and cast all blame onto them, particularly when it doesn't even make sense, especially when it's to the detriment of the team as a whole. What i do think is that the reaction of the fans was embarrasing, what the team needed from us was a lift, and we gave them exactly the opposite.

Sven sees these players all day all week, we see them for their matches only. He is in a much better position than me to make these decisions and i will get behind the 11 players on the pitch and i will never boo anyone in a Leicester shirt - i wish some of you 'loyal supporters' would do the same!

Let it be said as well Norwich deserve some credit. IMO they're the best team we've had at the walkers this season, i thought they worked very very well as a team going forward.

Well said. Top read that. Unfortunately I doubt whether it will make the slightest bit of difference to the boo boys. There seems to be a lot of whingers at the Walkers these days, quick to get on players backs and slow to recognise a good performance by the opposition. As you said, Sven sees the players day in day out and is in a far better position to judge a player's form and also their mental state.

[accessory]

Well said. Top read that. Unfortunately I doubt whether it will make the slightest bit of difference to the boo boys. There seems to be a lot of whingers at the Walkers these days, quick to get on players backs and slow to recognise a good performance by the opposition. As you said, Sven sees the players day in day out and is in a far better position to judge a player's form and also their mental state.

Didn't mean he made the right calls last night though, did it?

By keeping an unchanged side (bar Bruma's injury) Sven showed more faith in their mental and physical state than events justified.

When he shows signs of the "chosen men" syndrome displayed by too many of his predecessors, then fans (some of whom paid £30+ for the privilege of watching last night's "display") have every right to express disapproval.

After all, he's probably the division's highest-paid manager, so he should be aware of the consequences when equally-inflated expectations are not met.

[OzFox]

Didn't mean he made the right calls last night though, did it?

By keeping an unchanged side (bar Bruma's injury) Sven showed more faith in their mental and physical state than events justified.

When he shows signs of the "chosen men" syndrome displayed by too many of his predecessors, then fans (some of whom paid £30+ for the privilege of watching last night's "display") have every right to express disapproval.

After all, he's probably the division's highest-paid manager, so he should be aware of the consequences when equally-inflated expectations are not met.

Depends what your "expectations" are doesn't it? Personally I'd be happy with a top half finish after the start we had. And I assume any manager would base his team selections on what he sees in training as well as game time.

Sure you pay your money but some of the hysterical over-reaction and relentless baracking of players achieves nothing, other than damaging already fragile confidence. Reading this forum probably wouldn't do them much good either!

[North-LondonFox]

It was awful being on here last night - I felt deflated by the way the game was going and the negative attuitude of some of our fans never ceases to amaze me.

We need to be more positive on here and at the ground!