Guest bennytwohats Posted 8 March 2011 Posted 8 March 2011 I thought our fans were ****ing embarassing tonight - and the reaction on here equally so. A few points- Firstly, we seem to have developed England fans syndrome where we have ridiculously high expectations and then throw a pissy fit when we aren't meeting those expectations. The Man City games have been my favourite this season because we expected nothing - we were on the teams side the whole time, even when we were losing. Compare that to now, the moment we go one down that is it. Any misplaced passes, any miscontrol is greeted by moans and boos. Four games ago we were so convinced we were in the playoffs or going up automatically that it seems we actually believe we should be smashing teams by 4 or 5 every week (true story - one bloke rang the ticket office and asked when he could buy his playoff ticket!). Of course we will have bad days, of course we will put in shit performances and get beat from time to time - unfortunately we're going through a bit of a bad patch but for some people it seems to be a case of counting the points before they're in and then having a panic attack that the other team were actually planning to come and make a game out of it! Yak wasn't on his game tonight - i wouldn't try to deny that. I do wish we'd cut him the same slack as some of our other players though. He's done very well since coming to us. Yeah he has some games where he just can't get into it, and no he won't chase down every lost ball. That is the type of player he is, he does lots of work for the team that doesn't get noticed, and if he didn't have those aspects to his game he would be one of the top strikers in the world - and not playing for us. I'm absolutely certain that if Berbatov or Ibrahimovic were playing for us people would still be saying the same things. At the same time Wellens did the same shit all game. There were several times where he stood there and watched the ball roll by, blamed other people and generally came across pretty disinterested to me - as much if not more so than the Yak - but there is no blame there? This Ricardo business is ridiculous. I'm not going to go into whether he is a better keeper than Weale because it's basically irrelevant to the point i'm making. He doesn't pick himself. He is in a Leicester shirt so you should get behind him for the 90, end of discussion. Booing him and shouting for Weale is only going to send his confidence downhill, yes they are professional footballers so have to deal with this professionally (i.e. i don't expect them to turn around and tell us to **** off anytime soon), but on the other hand do you honestly think that it's not going to affect the whole teams morale? The most ridiculous thing is that he is now getting blamed for headers that are shooting past him point blank. It's taken now though, you can see it in the crowd, it doesn't matter what he does he will be booed - even when it's not his fault. I think some people have built up in their heads just how good Weale was when in reality, he probably wouldn't have done any better with these goals that Ricardo has conceded. That leads nicely to the next points. Berner. For weeks it has been the same shit as Ricardo above - getting on PVA and Mee's backs at the first chance. Well boo boys, Berner started today, and he was ****ing shit wasn't he? Gave away a needless corner that they scored their first from (not solely blaming him - the defending of the corner was abysmal), he was caught out all game, and wasn't very good going forward, also, unsurprisingly, lacked the legs to go all game. Waghorn - same shit. The boo boys spent all game singing for him to come on. He did and what did we get - the same poor control, poor finishing that we've seen from him most the season. Yeah he will chase everything down but his over-enthusiasm cost us a couple of needless free kicks to let them take the pressure right back off. I'm starting to waffle a touch and i don't want to get twisted what i'm saying. The whole team was shit tonight - i don't understand the need to single out these players and cast all blame onto them, particularly when it doesn't even make sense, especially when it's to the detriment of the team as a whole. What i do think is that the reaction of the fans was embarrasing, what the team needed from us was a lift, and we gave them exactly the opposite. Sven sees these players all day all week, we see them for their matches only. He is in a much better position than me to make these decisions and i will get behind the 11 players on the pitch and i will never boo anyone in a Leicester shirt - i wish some of you 'loyal supporters' would do the same! Let it be said as well Norwich deserve some credit. IMO they're the best team we've had at the walkers this season, i thought they worked very very well as a team going forward.
Leicester_Loyal Posted 8 March 2011 Posted 8 March 2011 Amazing post mate, sums a lot of my thoughts up really.
Jimmy Posted 8 March 2011 Posted 8 March 2011 well said mate. Personally I hate Oakley but I spent the whole game urging him to prove me wrong and shut me up
Tommeh Posted 8 March 2011 Posted 8 March 2011 spot on. The ground is horrible at times and this place is a breeding ground for morons also these days. Just be thankful that 95% of these goons wern't at Loftus Road and won't be at Glanford Park on Saturday. Up the City.
Leicester_Loyal Posted 8 March 2011 Posted 8 March 2011 spot on. The ground is horrible at times and this place is a breeding ground for morons also these days. Just be thankful that 95% of these goons wern't at Loftus Road and won't be at Glanford Park on Saturday. Up the City. Too right, bring on Scunny I say!
accessory Posted 8 March 2011 Posted 8 March 2011 The fact is the team and the manager who picked them let the fans down tonight big-time. A lot of the players, not just Oakley (who was dire) but also Wellens, King, Gallagher and Berner have proved time and again they cannot handle the burden of expectations. They struggled this time last year under Pearson, again at the start of the season under Sousa and are doing so again once more under Sven. Questions have to be asked whether they have the character necessary to wear the shirt. if they don't, they should be replaced by others who are.. The use of loan signings and freebies can only go so far to paper over the cracks. The reality is this squad of players are deeply flawed and a substantial turnover needs to take place in the summer if we are to mount a sustained and successful promotion challenge next season.
Guest Electric Yetis Posted 8 March 2011 Posted 8 March 2011 I thought our fans were ****ing embarassing tonight - and the reaction on here equally so. A few points- Firstly, we seem to have developed England fans syndrome where we have ridiculously high expectations and then throw a pissy fit when we aren't meeting those expectations. The Man City games have been my favourite this season because we expected nothing - we were on the teams side the whole time, even when we were losing. Compare that to now, the moment we go one down that is it. Any misplaced passes, any miscontrol is greeted by moans and boos. Four games ago we were so convinced we were in the playoffs or going up automatically that it seems we actually believe we should be smashing teams by 4 or 5 every week (true story - one bloke rang the ticket office and asked when he could buy his playoff ticket!). Of course we will have bad days, of course we will put in shit performances and get beat from time to time - unfortunately we're going through a bit of a bad patch but for some people it seems to be a case of counting the points before they're in and then having a panic attack that the other team were actually planning to come and make a game out of it! Yak wasn't on his game tonight - i wouldn't try to deny that. I do wish we'd cut him the same slack as some of our other players though. He's done very well since coming to us. Yeah he has some games where he just can't get into it, and no he won't chase down every lost ball. That is the type of player he is, he does lots of work for the team that doesn't get noticed, and if he didn't have those aspects to his game he would be one of the top strikers in the world - and not playing for us. I'm absolutely certain that if Berbatov or Ibrahimovic were playing for us people would still be saying the same things. At the same time Wellens did the same shit all game. There were several times where he stood there and watched the ball roll by, blamed other people and generally came across pretty disinterested to me - as much if not more so than the Yak - but there is no blame there? This Ricardo business is ridiculous. I'm not going to go into whether he is a better keeper than Weale because it's basically irrelevant to the point i'm making. He doesn't pick himself. He is in a Leicester shirt so you should get behind him for the 90, end of discussion. Booing him and shouting for Weale is only going to send his confidence downhill, yes they are professional footballers so have to deal with this professionally (i.e. i don't expect them to turn around and tell us to **** off anytime soon), but on the other hand do you honestly think that it's not going to affect the whole teams morale? The most ridiculous thing is that he is now getting blamed for headers that are shooting past him point blank. It's taken now though, you can see it in the crowd, it doesn't matter what he does he will be booed - even when it's not his fault. I think some people have built up in their heads just how good Weale was when in reality, he probably wouldn't have done any better with these goals that Ricardo has conceded. That leads nicely to the next points. Berner. For weeks it has been the same shit as Ricardo above - getting on PVA and Mee's backs at the first chance. Well boo boys, Berner started today, and he was ****ing shit wasn't he? Gave away a needless corner that they scored their first from (not solely blaming him - the defending of the corner was abysmal), he was caught out all game, and wasn't very good going forward, also, unsurprisingly, lacked the legs to go all game. Waghorn - same shit. The boo boys spent all game singing for him to come on. He did and what did we get - the same poor control, poor finishing that we've seen from him most the season. Yeah he will chase everything down but his over-enthusiasm cost us a couple of needless free kicks to let them take the pressure right back off. I'm starting to waffle a touch and i don't want to get twisted what i'm saying. The whole team was shit tonight - i don't understand the need to single out these players and cast all blame onto them, particularly when it doesn't even make sense, especially when it's to the detriment of the team as a whole. What i do think is that the reaction of the fans was embarrasing, what the team needed from us was a lift, and we gave them exactly the opposite. Sven sees these players all day all week, we see them for their matches only. He is in a much better position than me to make these decisions and i will get behind the 11 players on the pitch and i will never boo anyone in a Leicester shirt - i wish some of you 'loyal supporters' would do the same! Let it be said as well Norwich deserve some credit. IMO they're the best team we've had at the walkers this season, i thought they worked very very well as a team going forward.
accessory Posted 8 March 2011 Posted 8 March 2011 spot on. The ground is horrible at times and this place is a breeding ground for morons also these days. Just be thankful that 95% of these goons wern't at Loftus Road and won't be at Glanford Park on Saturday. Up the City. And the so-called "loyal" fans who went to QPR made such a difference there, didn't you? The mercenaries on and off the pitch were brought to this club to do a job. if they fail to do it we have EVERY right to have a pop
Kenners Posted 8 March 2011 Posted 8 March 2011 Totally agree on all the points. People seem so set in their opinions its unreal. Oakley played no better or worse than any other of the players tonight (they were all pretty poor), yet he misplaces a pass under pressure and gets groans and boos. Berner kicks the ball out of play under no pressure on his strong foot - nothing.
thybluefox Posted 8 March 2011 Posted 8 March 2011 Fantastic post, couldn't agree more, in fact I posted your thread title on twitter at about 10pm. Utterly ashamed and I'd much rather the ground be half full rather than have those people (I'm not going to call them fans) there.
wakeyfox01 Posted 8 March 2011 Posted 8 March 2011 I thought our fans were ****ing embarassing tonight - and the reaction on here equally so. A few points- Firstly, we seem to have developed England fans syndrome where we have ridiculously high expectations and then throw a pissy fit when we aren't meeting those expectations. The Man City games have been my favourite this season because we expected nothing - we were on the teams side the whole time, even when we were losing. Compare that to now, the moment we go one down that is it. Any misplaced passes, any miscontrol is greeted by moans and boos. Four games ago we were so convinced we were in the playoffs or going up automatically that it seems we actually believe we should be smashing teams by 4 or 5 every week (true story - one bloke rang the ticket office and asked when he could buy his playoff ticket!). Of course we will have bad days, of course we will put in shit performances and get beat from time to time - unfortunately we're going through a bit of a bad patch but for some people it seems to be a case of counting the points before they're in and then having a panic attack that the other team were actually planning to come and make a game out of it! Yak wasn't on his game tonight - i wouldn't try to deny that. I do wish we'd cut him the same slack as some of our other players though. He's done very well since coming to us. Yeah he has some games where he just can't get into it, and no he won't chase down every lost ball. That is the type of player he is, he does lots of work for the team that doesn't get noticed, and if he didn't have those aspects to his game he would be one of the top strikers in the world - and not playing for us. I'm absolutely certain that if Berbatov or Ibrahimovic were playing for us people would still be saying the same things. At the same time Wellens did the same shit all game. There were several times where he stood there and watched the ball roll by, blamed other people and generally came across pretty disinterested to me - as much if not more so than the Yak - but there is no blame there? This Ricardo business is ridiculous. I'm not going to go into whether he is a better keeper than Weale because it's basically irrelevant to the point i'm making. He doesn't pick himself. He is in a Leicester shirt so you should get behind him for the 90, end of discussion. Booing him and shouting for Weale is only going to send his confidence downhill, yes they are professional footballers so have to deal with this professionally (i.e. i don't expect them to turn around and tell us to **** off anytime soon), but on the other hand do you honestly think that it's not going to affect the whole teams morale? The most ridiculous thing is that he is now getting blamed for headers that are shooting past him point blank. It's taken now though, you can see it in the crowd, it doesn't matter what he does he will be booed - even when it's not his fault. I think some people have built up in their heads just how good Weale was when in reality, he probably wouldn't have done any better with these goals that Ricardo has conceded. That leads nicely to the next points. Berner. For weeks it has been the same shit as Ricardo above - getting on PVA and Mee's backs at the first chance. Well boo boys, Berner started today, and he was ****ing shit wasn't he? Gave away a needless corner that they scored their first from (not solely blaming him - the defending of the corner was abysmal), he was caught out all game, and wasn't very good going forward, also, unsurprisingly, lacked the legs to go all game. Waghorn - same shit. The boo boys spent all game singing for him to come on. He did and what did we get - the same poor control, poor finishing that we've seen from him most the season. Yeah he will chase everything down but his over-enthusiasm cost us a couple of needless free kicks to let them take the pressure right back off. I'm starting to waffle a touch and i don't want to get twisted what i'm saying. The whole team was shit tonight - i don't understand the need to single out these players and cast all blame onto them, particularly when it doesn't even make sense, especially when it's to the detriment of the team as a whole. What i do think is that the reaction of the fans was embarrasing, what the team needed from us was a lift, and we gave them exactly the opposite. my thoughts exactly
cc_star Posted 8 March 2011 Posted 8 March 2011 This Ricardo business is ridiculous. I'm not going to go into whether he is a better keeper than Weale because it's basically irrelevant to the point i'm making. He doesn't pick himself. He is in a Leicester shirt so you should get behind him for the 90, end of discussion. Booing him and shouting for Weale is only going to send his confidence downhill, yes they are professional footballers so have to deal with this professionally (i.e. i don't expect them to turn around and tell us to **** off anytime soon), but on the other hand do you honestly think that it's not going to affect the whole teams morale? The most ridiculous thing is that he is now getting blamed for headers that are shooting past him point blank. It's taken now though, you can see it in the crowd, it doesn't matter what he does he will be booed - even when it's not his fault. I think some people have built up in their heads just how good Weale was when in reality, he probably wouldn't have done any better with these goals that Ricardo has conceded. first off I thought your topic title was related to the lack of effort from too many players & the tactics shambles that our performance descended into) Nobody will ever know about Weale in for Ricardo, but he was in a rich vein of form when he was needlessly dropped and had made a number of match-winning saves in a number of games whilst our run was in it ascendancy. Our defence also wasn't the shambles its turned into with a load of ridiculously soft goals conceded, in fact since we looked like Barca for 45mins against a dreadful Derby side we've been far from great. My disagreement point out the way, every player in a city shirt should be supported whilst they're on the pitch
MattyFromLE Posted 9 March 2011 Posted 9 March 2011 And the so-called "loyal" fans who went to QPR made such a difference there, didn't you? The mercenaries on and off the pitch were brought to this club to do a job. if they fail to do it we have EVERY right to have a pop Yea, but what's the point in destroying players confidence to the point where its actually becoming counter-productive? Don't get me wrong, i get it. You pay your money - every right to moan. As do the 100's of people i have moaning to me on the phone all week because they've not got their order that they desperately need. It could be worse - so lets all just go laugh at Derby.
Tommeh Posted 9 March 2011 Posted 9 March 2011 And the so-called "loyal" fans who went to QPR made such a difference there, didn't you? The mercenaries on and off the pitch were brought to this club to do a job. if they fail to do it we have EVERY right to have a pop It's been fairly widely accepted that the team was very impressive at QPR, that a point was the least we deserved and 3 were very possible throughout against the best team in the division. At the amount you pay for a ticket of course you have the right to have a pop, just maybe after the game and with a bit of reason, and also maybe just maybe, Norwich deserve much more credit than they're getting for tonight's outcome. They were spot on all over.
Guest bennytwohats Posted 9 March 2011 Posted 9 March 2011 The fact is the team and the manager who picked them let the fans down tonight big-time. A lot of the players, not just Oakley (who was dire) but also Wellens, King, Gallagher and Berner have proved time and again they cannot handle the burden of expectations. They struggled this time last year under Pearson, again at the start of the season under Sousa and are doing so again once more under Sven. Questions have to be asked whether they have the character necessary to wear the shirt. if they don't, they should be replaced by others who are.. The use of loan signings and freebies can only go so far to paper over the cracks. The reality is this squad of players are deeply flawed and a substantial turnover needs to take place in the summer if we are to mount a sustained and successful promotion challenge next season. I mean this is a bang-on example of what i mean by the sense of entitlement!? It baffles me, we were in league one two seasons ago. We were bottom of the league after 9 games, we have managed to turn this season into a credible playoff push (which admittedly has faltered somewhat) - it's a massive turnaround, let's not take that for granted. When you talk about the character to wear the shirt, just don't forget where our club is right now and where we have been the past 4/5 years. I'm not saying fans shouldn't feel let down - but booing players while the game is still being played is definitely not the right way to go about that. I personally thought Sven got it wrong tonight and i said I wasn't sure about the setup before the game kicked off - but I still cheered the team the whole way though, and i'm certainly not arrogant enough to think that i genuinely am better placed to make these decisions than Sven who has made a career (a very successful one at that) out of doing it. It's not the opinions that bother me, it's the way of expressing them. Even booing at full time (not something i would ever think about doing) i can understand, booing during the game i can't. Daz from DOA agrees hello mate Glad to see i'm not alone on this anyway, that gives me some hope!
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 9 March 2011 Posted 9 March 2011 I posted something similar in the Season Over thread about the fan's expectations. Since the play-offs have become a very genuine possibility, it seems that anything less is now viewed as a failure. These types of fans never seem to appreciate wins when we do chalk up three points, they take it as a given that we'll win every game, but there isn't a team in the world that can do that. That run we went on to get into the position to even have a crack at the top six was phenomenal, we lose a couple and suddenly opinions of staff both on and off the field change. They can't seem to take the rough with the smooth, seemingly always dwelling on defeats or set backs. Unfortunately for some, that'll always be the same. If they can't bask in the glory of a win, let them do what they want. They can go and fuck themselves.
Maybes Posted 9 March 2011 Posted 9 March 2011 Nice to read a very sensible for post on here. Place is being clogged up with the same morons that ring in Radio Leics every monday night.
Callabinho Posted 9 March 2011 Posted 9 March 2011 Good man and well said! I critisized a few people earlier about negativity! It can rub off on the players! I may have said it harshly but your post sums my feelings up, Norwich got behind their lads today, we didn't to be honest, we must get behind them it's not like were derby and getting panned weekly! Come people we all wear the same blue shirt! Now get behind the lads!
Corky Posted 9 March 2011 Posted 9 March 2011 And the so-called "loyal" fans who went to QPR made such a difference there, didn't you? The mercenaries on and off the pitch were brought to this club to do a job. if they fail to do it we have EVERY right to have a pop Yes, when they fail. Most of the prats who get on the players' backs seem to me to be hell-bent on doing it from the start of the game. Then they moan and complain when players make mistakes. By all means criticise if they've had a shocker. But over 90 minutes please, not after 5 or 10.
AlphaMaleFox Posted 9 March 2011 Posted 9 March 2011 This is England, not continental Europe. There is no tifos mentality. When the team plays shite, support is shite. You only sing when you're winning (or at least play well).
accessory Posted 9 March 2011 Posted 9 March 2011 I mean this is a bang-on example of what i mean by the sense of entitlement!? It baffles me, we were in league one two seasons ago. And Norwich were there last season - didn't stop them from giving us a stuffing did it? We were bottom of the league after 9 games, we have managed to turn this season into a credible playoff push (which admittedly has faltered somewhat) - it's a massive turnaround, let's not take that for granted. When you talk about the character to wear the shirt, just don't forget where our club is right now and where we have been the past 4/5 years. OK, so the current bunch of players perform slightly more frequently than past ones did. However if they still lack the quality that is required of them that shouldn't be acceptable. I'm not saying fans shouldn't feel let down - but booing players while the game is still being played is definitely not the right way to go about that. I personally thought Sven got it wrong tonight and i said I wasn't sure about the setup before the game kicked off - but I still cheered the team the whole way though, and i'm certainly not arrogant enough to think that i genuinely am better placed to make these decisions than Sven who has made a career (a very successful one at that) out of doing it. And in the past decade, we've seen any number of players with outstanding track records at previous clubs take us all for mugs. I'd like to think Sven was different - however the misjudgements he's made in recent games is causing me (and a lot of others within the fanbase) to wonder.. It's not the opinions that bother me, it's the way of expressing them. Even booing at full time (not something i would ever think about doing) i can understand, booing during the game i can't. If they're bombscares (which Ricardo clearly is) or failing to make the effort (hi Yak), then fans have a right to express their frustrations. Once again we pulled in the highest attendance in the league and what did we get for it?
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