Kitchandro Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 How many goals have we conceded because Ricardo dropped it in the box and their striker scored? You can't talk about balls cleared off the line. It's a way to play and therefor you get more balls cleared off the line instead of goals conceded because the gk stand still on the line and can't do f**k. Three goals conceded by Weale that Ricardo wouldn't conceded. Two long shots and one standstill on the line. There is a strategic reason also to have a gk coming out punching or causing problems. The gk is more protected by the rules and he can also use his arms wich neither of the other players can. Why not? He got lucky, the defenders were the ones clearing off the line. Ricardo was flapping around on the floor. He got away with flapping against Derby, Bristol City and other games but not against Portsmouth. For the record he cost us at least 2 goals. But I'm tired with this debate, it's irrelevant as long as neither are our first choice next season.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 I know it was a keeper mistake but what about some flack with only 1 goal against their defence. Come ON what about some blame on our hotshots. Where did they get to for 90 mins? No one has said the attackers arent to blame, we cant break big sides like Palace down which is not Weale's fault. But either way that goal he conceded was piss poor.
Simmo86 Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 Why not? He got lucky, the defenders were the ones clearing off the line. Ricardo was flapping around on the floor. He got away with flapping against Derby, Bristol City and other games but not against Portsmouth. For the record he cost us at least 2 goals. But I'm tired with this debate, it's irrelevant as long as neither are our first choice next season. You always can't be arsed to debate when people don't agree with you. It was Bamba's weak header which landed at Nugent's (who was standing on the penalty spot unmarked) feet against Pompey. Against Derby why would he of caught it and risk going outside the area?? He got a decent punch on the ball which went to the touchline, Naughton wasn't strong enough and got robbed of the ball. Tell me what Weale is better at than Ricardo..........and you being able to shout WWWEHUUUULLL doesn't count!
Kitchandro Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 You always can't be arsed to debate when people don't agree with you. It was Bamba's weak header which landed at Nugent's (who was standing on the penalty spot unmarked) feet against Pompey. Against Derby why would he of caught it and risk going outside the area?? He got a decent punch on the ball which went to the touchline, Naughton wasn't strong enough and got robbed of the ball. Tell me what is better about Weales better at than Ricardo..........and you being able to shout WWWEHUUUULLL doesn't count! yeh ok I can't be arsed to have a debate about something I've had a debate out several times, listening to the same frustrating and silly arguments everytime and getting nowhere. So I'm not going to. But I will say the Portsmouth goal was his fault. There is no debate there. If you come out of your goal and don't get it, it's your mistake.
The Doctor Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 Now this is bullshit. No one was ever comfortable when Ricardo was in goal and the ball was lumped into the box. What I hated (more than his punching) is that he often came for the ball and missed it. Even Pompey said they targeted Ricardo because he's shit at collecting crosses. In short, all of our keepers are average at best. often? I can remember 1 incident where he came for the ball and didn't get it, and that was only because bamba headed it pretty much out of his hands. Why not? He got lucky, the defenders were the ones clearing off the line. Ricardo was flapping around on the floor. He got away with flapping against Derby, Bristol City and other games but not against Portsmouth. For the record he cost us at least 2 goals. But I'm tired with this debate, it's irrelevant as long as neither are our first choice next season. Derby - i presume you are refering to the punch mentioned by simmo, the one where had he caught it he'd've gone out the area and conceded a free-kick and the one that would have been fine had naughton not pussied out of a challenge. Brizzle - What flap? The only suspect incident was their goal, PVA heading it away from ricardo who was about to collect it - nothing to do with flapping, instead communication, something weale hardly excells in. Pompey - Was set to catch it until bamba headed it out his hands. Care to name the goals he cost us? because i can only think of one that, at the time, i felt he should have done better with and even that one (norwich's 3rd) was shown, on replays, to have taken a significant deflection taking it away from him.
anotherharboroughfox Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 didn't hear any Ricardo chants after Weale's mistake, (which lead to a goal) yet every time Ricardo punched a ball we had some ****ing idiots shouting WWWWWWWWEEEEEEUUUULLLLL!!!! Ricardo never cost us any points. And as someone mentioned before, he had so much time to shoot. But people who call Ricardo Mr Flappy, surely this makes Weale Mr Floppy?
Kitchandro Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 often? I can remember 1 incident where he came for the ball and didn't get it, and that was only because bamba headed it pretty much out of his hands. Derby - i presume you are refering to the punch mentioned by simmo, the one where had he caught it he'd've gone out the area and conceded a free-kick and the one that would have been fine had naughton not pussied out of a challenge. Brizzle - What flap? The only suspect incident was their goal, PVA heading it away from ricardo who was about to collect it - nothing to do with flapping, instead communication, something weale hardly excells in. Pompey - Was set to catch it until bamba headed it out his hands. Care to name the goals he cost us? because i can only think of one that, at the time, i felt he should have done better with and even that one (norwich's 3rd) was shown, on replays, to have taken a significant deflection taking it away from him. Fine, but only once. Coventry - shot slipped through his hands. Portsmouth - it was his fault. No debate whatsoever. And the Bristol what flap? - he flapped at a high ball, dropped it, the Brsitol player shot and Mee kept it off the line.
Haydos Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 Fine, but only once. Coventry - shot slipped through his hands. Portsmouth - it was his fault. No debate whatsoever. And the Bristol what flap? - he flapped at a high ball, dropped it, the Brsitol player shot and Mee kept it off the line. It was smashed at him near his feet from about 6 yards away.
Bugg Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 Fine, but only once. Coventry - shot slipped through his hands. Portsmouth - it was his fault. No debate whatsoever. And the Bristol what flap? - he flapped at a high ball, dropped it, the Brsitol player shot and Mee kept it off the line. Well if the ball was cleared off the line, then it wasn't a goal that he cost us was it?
B52 Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 Fine, but only once. Coventry - shot slipped through his hands. Portsmouth - it was his fault. No debate whatsoever. And the Bristol what flap? - he flapped at a high ball, dropped it, the Brsitol player shot and Mee kept it off the line. Then Weale stood still on the line and conceded instead of being out there and have a chance to punch it away...... If Weale had been out there flapping Mee could have saved us once more....
The Doctor Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 Fine, but only once. Coventry - shot slipped through his hands. Portsmouth - it was his fault. No debate whatsoever. And the Bristol what flap? - he flapped at a high ball, dropped it, the Brsitol player shot and Mee kept it off the line. Coventry - Powerful shot from close range, very difficult to react to and keep out. More blame should be attributed to PVA for allowing the cross and bruma for not picking up king. Portsmouth - Had control of the cross until his maverick centre-half (bamba) headed it out of his hands, some blame on him as it was most likely a communication error that lead to bamba heading it but bamba is just as, if not more, culpable for that. Meanwhile Weale: Palace away - tamish long range shot at a comfortable height. Watford away - raced out unnecessarily and gave the striker a tap in Middlesborough away (1) - Poor distribution, gave away possession too cheaply. Middlesborough away (3) - Cross it, should have come and claimed it Palace home - long range shot which he ducked away from I'm sure i could re-call more if needs be.
Narborough_fox Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 Fine, but only once. Coventry - shot slipped through his hands. Portsmouth - it was his fault. No debate whatsoever. And the Bristol what flap? - he flapped at a high ball, dropped it, the Brsitol player shot and Mee kept it off the line. Where he was fouled by the striker only for it not to be given. Also if it didn't go in let's say this Weale against Burnley; Dropped a cross at Delfounso's feet only for it to be blazed over surely that was worse mistake than Ricardo's against Brizzle because Weale had no-one near him at all. I'd rather have a 79 time capped international and European Cup finalist in goal than 1 timed cappped "C" interantional.
Haydos Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 Watching that again I still can't believe how shite that attempt at a save was. Who is it who goes to close down the shot but then backs off as he hits it? Wellens?
Wymsey Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 I think just before it went it then there was a slight swerve on the ball and this could've caught Weale out a bit. But as the camera view of him saving wasn't the best.
Haydos Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 I think just before it went it then there was a slight swerve on the ball and this could've caught Weale out a bit. But as the camera view of him saving wasn't the best. A ball doesn't just swerve at the last minute. Either way it's god awful keeping. Ps. If it was Ricardo he'd be crucified.
Charl91 Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 Well, if we've established that both of them can't save, then I'd rather have Ricardo for his distribution
lcfcsnow Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 Meanwhile Weale: Palace away - tamish long range shot at a comfortable height. Watford away - raced out unnecessarily and gave the striker a tap in Middlesborough away (1) - Poor distribution, gave away possession too cheaply. Middlesborough away (3) - Cross it, should have come and claimed it Palace home - long range shot which he ducked away from I'm sure i could re-call more if needs be. The turning point, he's made an error every other game since this.
Danno Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 If Ricardo was in goal, the stadium would have been ringing with boos. Shows what ****s some of our fans are <_<
anotherharboroughfox Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 Who is it who goes to close down the shot but then backs off as he hits it? Wellens? Wellens coming from behind at walking pace, King from the side and Oakley sprinting but blocked by a palace player.
The Doctor Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 Wellens coming from behind at walking pace, King from the side and Oakley sprinting but blocked by a palace player. looking at that the ref could easily blow up for a foul there, the lad has spotted oakley closing scannell down and deliberately stepped across the front of him by the looks of things. edit: not saying he should have done, just that he would have been right to do so.
anotherharboroughfox Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 looking at that the ref could easily blow up for a foul there, the lad has spotted oakley closing scannell down and deliberately stepped across the front of him by the looks of things. edit: not saying he should have done, just that he would have been right to do so. Aye. touch and go really.
Haydos Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 looking at that the ref could easily blow up for a foul there, the lad has spotted oakley closing scannell down and deliberately stepped across the front of him by the looks of things. edit: not saying he should have done, just that he would have been right to do so. It'll be Kingy then I think, he makes an aggressive step towards the player and then just stops. As for Oakley being blocked, think it's just a smart bit of play on their players part.
The Doctor Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 It'll be Kingy then I think, he makes an aggressive step towards the player and then just stops. As for Oakley being blocked, think it's just a smart bit of play on their players part. aye, but the fact they only had to do that to oakley is disappointing. As if only oakley thought "Shit, chris is suspect from long-range and he's gearing up for a shot, i better stop this". That's not good enough on wellens, king, bamba and vitor's part.
Haydos Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 aye, but the fact they only had to do that to oakley is disappointing. As if only oakley thought "Shit, chris is suspect from long-range and he's gearing up for a shot, i better stop this". That's not good enough on wellens, king, bamba and vitor's part. Yeah it's disappointing. Just lazy and you expect better from players of this standard.
Stig the Lawnmower Posted 13 April 2011 Posted 13 April 2011 Well, if we've established that both of them can't save, then I'd rather have Ricardo for his distribution agreed.
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