lcfcadam Posted 19 May 2011 Posted 19 May 2011 don't get me wrong it looks great! It's just, as Fosse Boy said, I prefer it as a sign of unity rather than a wacky goal celebration. Just personal preference. Sorry for expressing my opinion, O great one! To be fair I assumed you were just joining in with the miserable bunch who hate people doing the Poznan for no good reason other than "it's just nicked off another team" (which is a shit reason) The bit you said first is fair enough, personal preference. I mean I personally like it as a goal celebration but if that's not your style then that's perfectly acceptable.
Kitchandro Posted 19 May 2011 Posted 19 May 2011 I can see this being the 'thing' at the next World Cup, like the Mexican wave and the vuvuzelas. Damn better than the vuvuzelas that's for sure.
Fosse Boy Posted 19 May 2011 Posted 19 May 2011 Sir, You are deluded. And before you respond you should probably do some research into foreign fan culture. Cardiff_Fox was only saying that's why they were doing the grecque in that particular game. Like I said, it's a sign of unity - away from home, backs against the wall, protesting against the club's owners, or just as a general symbol of unity or whatever. I can see this being the 'thing' at the next World Cup, like the Mexican wave and the vuvuzelas. Damn better than the vuvuzelas that's for sure. Why? It's only a 'fad' in England.
ScouseFox Posted 19 May 2011 Posted 19 May 2011 Why? It's only a 'fad' in England. Swansea do it as well
Kitchandro Posted 19 May 2011 Posted 19 May 2011 Swansea do it as well and Celtic. And by the look of those photos, a lot of Clubs across Europe.
Kitchandro Posted 19 May 2011 Posted 19 May 2011 Why? It's only a 'fad' in England. The Mexicans only did the wave and the Africans only used Vuvuzelas at one point. Then both were showcased to the World and it caught on. England have a lot of travelling support at World Cups so it would no doubt be noticed. And it is done by many Clubs across Europe and is obviously spreading. By 2014 I bet it will be quite common at grounds around Europe and the World.
lcfcadam Posted 19 May 2011 Posted 19 May 2011 The Mexicans only did the wave and the Africans only used Vuvuzelas at one point. Then both were showcased to the World and it caught on. England have a lot of travelling support at World Cups so it would no doubt be noticed. And it is done by many Clubs across Europe and is obviously spreading. By 2014 I bet it will be quite common at grounds around Europe and the World. Mexican waves make me feel physically ill. I'm aware this doesn't really add anything to the thread...
lcfc"weasel" Posted 19 May 2011 Posted 19 May 2011 The Mexicans only did the wave and the Africans only used Vuvuzelas at one point. Then both were showcased to the World and it caught on. England have a lot of travelling support at World Cups so it would no doubt be noticed. And it is done by many Clubs across Europe and is obviously spreading. By 2014 I bet it will be quite common at grounds around Europe and the World. It already is, but once again, the generic English fan takes it, moulds it into something completely different and then tries to claim that it had hardly been seen before and it was us English that brought it to the world.
Houdini Logic Posted 20 May 2011 Posted 20 May 2011 No matter how hard we or any of the wannabe trendsetters or cool cats from the continent try - we're/they're simply never going to be as cool as those crazy bastards in Thailand. 00:57 and 01:57...
lee7 Posted 20 May 2011 Posted 20 May 2011 don't get me wrong it looks great! It's just, as Fosse Boy said, I prefer it as a sign of unity rather than a wacky goal celebration. Just personal preference. Sorry for expressing my opinion, O great one! Have to agree with you their, i'd much rather do it as a spur of the moment kind of thing rather than as a goal celebration
AlphaMaleFox Posted 20 May 2011 Posted 20 May 2011 I think that's the actual point of the continent. Or so I was told. The reason Lech did it on the day they faced Man City was showing annoyance at their recent league performances. Fair enough, I think deluded is the wrong choice of word. I am fully aware of the grecque and it's history on the continent. However, I believe its origin comes from showing dissatification about the particular fans' club. Firstly , I apologize Cardiff_Fox for using strong word. You are not deluded, you are simply misinformed. And before you respond you should probably do some research into foreign fan culture. Cardiff_Fox was only saying that's why they were doing the grecque in that particular game. Like I said, it's a sign of unity - away from home, backs against the wall, protesting against the club's owners, or just as a general symbol of unity or whatever. All right, folks. A few explanations: I can definitely say that there is not and has never been any conflict between the supporters and owners of Lech Poznan, as was presented here. LP owner is Jacek Rutkowski, one of the richest men in Poland, very successful businessman as well as dedicated fan of Lech...In the past few years has been created a good team, with aspirations of playing in Europe. The club and the city of Poznan rebuilt (and actually built from scratch) a fantastic stadium, the club has no debts , is in excellent financial position and has a high (for Eastern European standards) transfer budget. Lech Poznan is very well supported club. Attendance: Polish Ekstraklasa league - an average turnout of 18,600 spectators (despite some stands closed during the reconstruction), when the matches were played in the "Europa League" then 40K Miejski stadium was sold out. As for the fans ... Like in England, the day of the match, the stadium is full of families and other casual fans of football, so-called "pikniki", but the dominant force of the whole support are hardcore-fans or "kibice". The latter are entirely united, organized within an association of supporters "Wiara Lecha" (The Faith of Lech). This "Wiara Lecha" (formed in 2001) organizes Tifos displays at matches, coordinates the active doping during the match and in consultation with the club distributes tickets between its members. It is a movement of ultras, where the elements of hooliganism are present too . The basis of cooperation with the club is an association agreement with Lech Poznan, signed in 2006. Overall, "Wiara Lecha" has a monopoly on the organization of Lech supporters' trips to matches played outside of Poznan and only its members have a chance for away tickets. Hence, for an away game against Manchester City, in the visitors sector, were only the "kibice", perfectly synchronized and entirely devoted to club. Polish fans mentality is much different than the British counterparts. Fans in Poland for many years were used to poor play and bad results of their teams, they support own club in good times and bad times, regardless of a position in the table or events on the pitch. Probably, after successfull 2009-10 season, this season is big disappointment for Lech (lost in the Polish Cup final and sixth in the league), but I am pretty sure Poznan fans are still fully support the team, the manager and the club. This season was transitional: a managers change, they sold the best striker Lewandowski (to Borussia Dortmund), injuries happen to key players - and still everyone in Poznan believe that this club has a bright future, the only direction is up. It sounds familiar...? Rant over
ajthefox Posted 20 May 2011 Posted 20 May 2011 How can you categorically say that there has never been any conflict between the fans of LP and the owners?
CosbehFox Posted 20 May 2011 Posted 20 May 2011 How can you categorically say that there has never been any conflict between the fans of LP and the owners? He can't. I know for sure their support was very unhappy with their start to the season regardless of the new stadium. At the halfway stage, they were near the relegation spots. It's interesting Alpha you mention mentality because I disagree. they are very easy to get on the backs of players and it's only the ultras what stay with the club - mainly because they have such agreements with the club which gets them in for free. In England, the majority stay with the club take Luton for example. Similar things have happened in Poland and the fans don't stick. Lech are slightly unique in being part of the big three in Poland, they will always have numbers.
Kitchandro Posted 21 May 2011 Posted 21 May 2011 He can't. I know for sure their support was very unhappy with their start to the season regardless of the new stadium. At the halfway stage, they were near the relegation spots. It's interesting Alpha you mention mentality because I disagree. they are very easy to get on the backs of players and it's only the ultras what stay with the club - mainly because they have such agreements with the club which gets them in for free. In England, the majority stay with the club take Luton for example. Similar things have happened in Poland and the fans don't stick. Lech are slightly unique in being part of the big three in Poland, they will always have numbers. Agree with this. Fans may be more actively passionate and vocal when supporting their team in other countries, but I've always felt English fans are more loyal and understand true loyal support more than other countres. It's not true of everyone that goes to the games of course, but I get the feeling more fans stick with Clubs during the hard times than they would in other nation if a similar sized Club suffered the same fates. This is backed up by the fact that our lower leagues (Championship and downwards) are the best attended of all the lower tiers in the world.
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