The not 'over the top', but realistic thread, sponsored by Col City Fan

[Guest Col city fan]

I AM SO BORED OF THESE THREADS SAYING ALL THE SAME THINGS.

REALLY TIRED AND BORED.

EVERY POST YOU HAVE MADE IN THE LCFC FORUM COULD AND SHOULD BE IN THE SAME THREAD.

YOUR POINT OF VIEW IS NOTED AND UNDERSTOOD.

I GET IT.

WE ALL KNOW THE FORM AND THE ISSUES. IT'S JUST THAT SOME OF US THINK IT'S A TAD EARLY FOR A WITCH HUNT.

GO OUT AND ENJOY THE SUNSHINE - TAKE A VALIUM - JUST DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT- IT MIGHT LEAD TO A WELL ROUNDED MOMENT OF CONTENTMENT OR OPTIMISM - YOU NEVER KNOW.

OFF TO A BEER FESTIVAL NOW,

BYE.

N.

HEHE - and point taken from you Nick - I think my points been hammered enough now...enjoy your beer festival mate

[Foxybeaver]

If Sven thought the team was lacking why did he not at least try to bring in long term players in Januray instead of loans?

[acooling08]

I agree to an extent. Sven certainly seems immune to criticism because of his past reputation.

[dave_the_fox]

If Sven thought the team was lacking why did he not at least try to bring in long term players in Januray instead of loans?

Because he didn't want to splash the cash in the inflated January market. I guess he gambled with some loanees which NEARLY paid off.

[sphericalfox]

If Sven thought the team was lacking why did he not at least try to bring in long term players in Januray instead of loans?

Those players either were not available or their respective clubs probably were looking for more money than we were likely to spend on them. The January transfer window is nearly impossible to strengthen a team with permanent signings.

[accessory]

Why is it Col City that you CANNOT understand, and I include several other posters in this, that Sven has worked with what was available in the loan market (a VERY limited marketplace) and what frees were of any quality. He has not had the REAL opportunity to do so, and could only patch a team together using a system he is not comfortable with. There was always going to be failures within all this. It was inevitable. Considering this, Sven somehow has managed to get us very close to the playoffs.

The loan fees that the owners made available meant that the manager had more options than most in this division. Unfortunately he was unable to make the most of them. Part of the reason was that he didn't know enough about this league and the qualities required to be successful in it. Howeverr his failure to motivate or even trust members of his existing squad (Berner, Hobbs, Fryatt, Waghorn) also played a part.

Your continual use of the terminology of Sven-bumming is both ignorant and short-sighted. The majority of the people who are disagreeing with you have NOT made their minds up yet about Sven. They are giving him the benefit of the doubt under the circumstances that he took over the team. Yes there is disappointment. Yes Sven has made mistakes. But there is criticism, not unjust criticism within this majority.

There are also a lot of posters who remain deluded enough to believe that the manager can do no wrong. This is a mentality we've seen time and time again throughout the life of this forum. Diehard loyalists queued up to defend Adams, Levein, Kelly, Holloway and others because they could not bring themselves to accept that the man in charge simply wasn't good enough. Eventually, though, enough folk saw the light and moved on, as they will with the current incumbent.

Yes, expectations were high - but so was (and is) his salary. Fans trusted him to make the right decisions and there have been too many times (especially in recent games) where he's failed to deliver.

It just seems to me that there are those with an agenda to see the back of Sven, due to an opinion generated under his England helm, and they can't shake this opinion as down the pub/at the office/ or wherever, they laid into him good and proper, and now he's our manager it would look very hypocritical to change their tune.

There are many more who pointed to his record of success elsewhere and blindly assumed he could replicate that here. The late-season dip in form is the worst we've seen since Peter Taylor (a protege of his at that time) was in charge, and we all know where that led to.

These are the stick in the muds. Those who don't like change.

Indeed, which is why they wont make the moves which are necessary to bring success back to our club.

[Babylon]

I agree to an extent. Sven certainly seems immune to criticism because of his past reputation.

Im sorry but there are very few who don't criticise him, 99.9% on here know where the problems are, Sven himself has highlighted the problems. The difference is some people don't go on, and on, and on about it. Mainly because they know he was somewhat handicapped by coming in after 10 games.

Sven will be judged next season, a pre season and a summer transfer window mean he can finally be judged on a level playing field as all the other managers out there.

If this form continues then he won't be here after 12 games, simple as that.

[Haydos]

and I KNEW you'd say that too... change the record mate and give us something to work with

Seriously? People are giving him a pre season and transfer window and you think that's stupid. You change the ****ing record.

I like Sven, dont get me wrong. But it annoys me when people defend him by saying 'look where we were when he came'.

People seem to forget he has spent an absolute shed load of money, with the backing of the Thais. Should we expect to be in playlets? Yes, I think so.

I think he has failed so far, but he should stay and we'll do it next season

<_<

[The Doctor]

I'm glad there's still a few around on here to ask these questions.

I genuinely fear for the future of our club if the mercenary is still in charge at the start of next season.

He's admitted himself he doesn't know jack about this league, so doesn't appreciate the qualities needed to win promotion. His record in the transfer market is also less than convincing. Are folk out there really wetting themselves over the prospect of more Ricardos, Brumas or Yakubus? If so, they have some very serious issues.

a striker with little match practise and lacking it fitness arriving part-way through the season and still contributing 7 goals in apperances so far, a gpg ratio of nearly a goal every other game - anyone who isn't impressed by that and wouldn't like something like that next season (except with more match practise) is down-right retarded.

[smudgerfox]

On paper I think ALL of svens signings have been greeted with agreement on here- even the likes of bednar and Kirkland- was just that they didn't work out for whatever reason. How many people said the yak is shit when he signed!? Unfortunately for us, it just didn't work out. Hindsight is wonderful pal

Another thing u mentioned, Svens interviews, I always think they are spot on what he says- not in Sousas league anyway!

You - like a lot of the Svenistas are missing a few simple points. He's supposed to be a world class manager - in a different league (literally) to everyone that went before him. He HAS had over 30 league games in charge. He HAS been supported in the transfer market (Bamba, Vassell) but more especially in the loan market to a level few City managers have been in the past. He DID inherit the skeleton of a squad which made the play offs last season.

He has FAILED to address some of the fundamentals of any footballing enterprise. Strong leader-captain. Strong spine - goalie, central defence, centre mid, striker. Good squad spirit. His persistence with Bruma at the expense of Mee and Vitor is nothing less than an insult to the intelligence of any paying supporter. He HAS FAILED to lay a single foundation for a successful assault on promotion next season - leaving it all to be sorted out in yet another summer of turmoil and upheaval.

Let's be clear - those of us who are critical of Sven - don't want him gone. There have been far too many managers here already. We don't love NFP - though most of us feel ashamed of the way he was treated and are sickened by the trashing of his reputation and that of some of the players he signed, on boards such as this (he did, remember, have a tiny budget so when shopping for keepers never had the option of casting his eye across the international market)

What we do want is for the owners and Sven to realise that getting out of the Championship requires more than hanging round the fringes of the top six Premiership clubs begging for their cast-offs. It requires unity, team spirit, sweat, determination and hunger as well as skill and a reputation forged some years ago, So stop accusing of things we never said or never wanted and address the failings (many of them to my mind) of our great leader.

[ScouseFox]

You're a tit.

[sphericalfox]

You - like a lot of the Svenistas are missing a few simple points. He's supposed to be a world class manager - in a different league (literally) to everyone that went before him. He HAS had over 30 league games in charge. He HAS been supported in the transfer market (Bamba, Vassell) but more especially in the loan market to a level few City managers have been in the past. He DID inherit the skeleton of a squad which made the play offs last season.

He has FAILED to address some of the fundamentals of any footballing enterprise. Strong leader-captain. Strong spine - goalie, central defence, centre mid, striker. Good squad spirit. His persistence with Bruma at the expense of Mee and Vitor is nothing less than an insult to the intelligence of any paying supporter. He HAS FAILED to lay a single foundation for a successful assault on promotion next season - leaving it all to be sorted out in yet another summer of turmoil and upheaval.

Let's be clear - those of us who are critical of Sven - don't want him gone. There have been far too many managers here already. We don't love NFP - though most of us feel ashamed of the way he was treated and are sickened by the trashing of his reputation and that of some of the players he signed, on boards such as this (he did, remember, have a tiny budget so when shopping for keepers never had the option of casting his eye across the international market)

What we do want is for the owners and Sven to realise that getting out of the Championship requires more than hanging round the fringes of the top six Premiership clubs begging for their cast-offs. It requires unity, team spirit, sweat, determination and hunger as well as skill and a reputation forged some years ago, So stop accusing of things we never said or never wanted and address the failings (many of them to my mind) of our great leader.

Yes he was supported in the transfer market, but yet another poster failing to understand the January transfer market and the scarcity to buy permanent players within it without paying through the nose.

I do like how some posters seemingly speak for the masses. Using words like 'we', as those they take polls and do interviews directly with all supporters of the club. Really? Do you have your finger on the pulse of the popular opinion or are you like everyone else and speculating.

I don't disagree with your last paragraph, however, by the tone of your post you seem to be making a point that Sven DOES NOT know how to address the issues and isn't aware of his failings. Of course he is. He hasn't been able to address most of the core issues with the squad, due numerous reasons.

BTW Svenistas, or another way of describing the Sven-bumlickers is arrogant and ignorant in the same breath. I say the majority of people are willing to give Sven the opportunity to right the wrongs within the squad with the understanding that he has been hampered and restricted this season. Not drum the same beat over and over again.

[21st Century Fox]

Col City Fan your arrogance of starting a new thread every time we lose is wearing thin. You constantly argue that you're trying to start a healthy debate but you rarely contribute to any other thread other than your own, making me think you're just looking for approval. You actually make some salient points buried in amongst your negativity but you make it in such a pig headed way they're totally lost.

NO ONE is glossing over Sven's failures or mistakes. Its just there are some people who can see the good he's done and understands the restraints he's had this season (this one off gamble of a season). This isn't his idea of a strong, fully functioning squad, this is an all or nothing push for a playoff place, that was required from the Thais. No one is just going giving him a free ride on his track record either, but his track record combined with optimism = faith! I have faith in Sven. He's shown he can get us playing good football with a rag tag bunch of players, he's obviously shown that the defence needs more work, somethings he's stated alot. I'm guessing he's acknowledged that point and will address it.

[smudgerfox]

Yes he was supported in the transfer market, but yet another poster failing to understand the January transfer market and the scarcity to buy permanent players within it without paying through the nose.

I do like how some posters seemingly speak for the masses. Using words like 'we', as those they take polls and do interviews directly with all supporters of the club. Really? Do you have your finger on the pulse of the popular opinion or are you like everyone else and speculating.

I don't disagree with your last paragraph, however, by the tone of your post you seem to be making a point that Sven DOES NOT know how to address the issues and isn't aware of his failings. Of course he is. He hasn't been able to address most of the core issues with the squad, due numerous reasons.

BTW Svenistas, or another way of describing the Sven-bumlickers is arrogant and ignorant in the same breath. I say the majority of people are willing to give Sven the opportunity to right the wrongs within the squad with the understanding that he has been hampered and restricted this season. Not drum the same beat over and over again.

Oh this January stuff really won't wash. Has the January transfer window just been invented? The difficulties of changing a squad during it are very well documented. Sven knew that. and he was faced with a choice. To start building a lasting sustainable side which could be added to and reinforced in the summer. Or he could wave the chequebook at anyone who looked as though they might have any chance of getting us promoted in a hurry. He chose the latter and I'm afraid he has to live with that misjudgement. Partly because he failed to identify the players in the Premiership who would come and make that all important contribtion. Swansea have Borini - we have the Yak. That's the difference.

My use of the word "we" reflects the fact that people who criticise Sven immediately get labelled as ignorant morons who fail to understand the modern game and Sven's glittering record within it. I don't claim to speak for anyone, but the critics do have to put up with a lot of unjustified abuse - we've even been called "racist" in some quarters which is utterly laughable. My use of the word "svenista" is a riposte to that abuse - because when you get his supporters to really defend themselves it really amounts to trashing Pearson. blaming Sousa and trusting that someone with Sven's record really does override what we see on the pitch week in week out. For instance, if he identifies inconsistency at the back as a major and decisive problem why not choose your best two central defenders (to most eyes Bamba and Mee and now Vitor and Mee) and stick with them - so they can develop an understanding. What's the Bruma love-in all about? It's Junior Lewis re-invented.

[The Sven Revolution]

Col City Fan your arrogance of starting a new thread every time we lose is wearing thin. You constantly argue that you're trying to start a healthy debate but you rarely contribute to any other thread other than your own, making me think you're just looking for approval. You actually make some salient points buried in amongst your negativity but you make it in such a pig headed way they're totally lost.

NO ONE is glossing over Sven's failures or mistakes. Its just there are some people who can see the good he's done and understands the restraints he's had this season (this one off gamble of a season). This isn't his idea of a strong, fully functioning squad, this is an all or nothing push for a playoff place, that was required from the Thais. No one is just going giving him a free ride on his track record either, but his track record combined with optimism = faith! I have faith in Sven. He's shown he can get us playing good football with a rag tag bunch of players, he's obviously shown that the defence needs more work, somethings he's stated alot. I'm guessing he's acknowledged that point and will address it.

BRILLIANT! Agreed 100%.

[Guest Col city fan]

BRILLIANT! Agreed 100%.

Now THERE'S a surprise!! Didn't have to be gypsy rose Lee to predict that you would agree did ya....

[Guest parky0607]

To be fair, he's brought in players of whom you'd think 'yeah, id have him' , not joe bloggs from kazakhstan. Whether the players play well or not is out of his hands. And I like the fact that he's gone for loans, instead of contract signings, because at the end of the day, a loan is basically a trial where he can see if players are going to work out or not. At least we don't end up getting stuck with bednars and brumas. I just hope we play a lot of pre season matches and find some stability ready for next season.

And by the way - Im not a sven-bummer, licker or anything else, I just think he has the potential to do well and am willing to see who he brings in in the summer.

[Guest Col city fan]

To be fair, he's brought in players of whom you'd think 'yeah, id have him' , not joe bloggs from kazakhstan. Whether the players play well or not is out of his hands. And I like the fact that he's gone for loans, instead of contract signings, because at the end of the day, a loan is basically a trial where he can see if players are going to work out or not. At least we don't end up getting stuck with bednars and brumas. I just hope we play a lot of pre season matches and find some stability ready for next season.

And by the way - Im not a sven-bummer, licker or anything else, I just think he has the potential to do well and am willing to see who he brings in in the summer.

Now THIS post makes an awful lot of sense.... It's balanced and reflects reality...

[Dames]

Ok i've had a bit to drink but since this is the realistic thread its time to be realistic.

First off it seems our fans are divided into 2 halves. Pro-Sven and Anti-Sven (Pro-Sven also constitutes of people that are still on the fence willing to give him a chance.) The majority of the Anti-Sven brigade seem to be made up of a similar type of fan. The ones that are still butthurt about Pearson leaving and their favorite players not playing every week. The ones that want a 'young english manager with fire in his belly'. The ones that actually wrote Sven off as a mercenary the minute he stepped through the door unwilling to give him a chance and then the numptys that don't like him just because he isn't English.

The Anti-Sven fans seem to blame the loan players for everything that goes wrong forgetting that the Waghorn that they chant for every week and call for inclusion was a loanee at one point in his life with us and the same with Jack Hobbs. The fact is some loans work and some loans don't but placing the blame solely on the loanees because 'They don't care for the club' is downright ridiculous. How about the Andy Kings, the Richie Wellens and the Sol Bambas that have gone completely missing in recent weeks? They are to blame as much as anyone. It seems some fans just want to pick and choose when something matters and when it doesn't.

Myself, i'm Pro-Sven considering he came in 10 games in with a side completely destroyed by Sousa lacking confidence he picked us up almost right away the players he loaned on paper no fan in their right mind would have said no too. Ok so some haven't worked out like Kirkland, Bednar, Bruma, PVA and to some extend Yakubu (More on him later). On paper these are quality players and it shows the ambition of the Manager and the Owners to go for the very best available. There have also been the successful loanees such as Naughton, Cunningham, Mee, Kamara (still 50/50). It really works both ways, the benefits of loaning players is that we haven't had to pay a permanent fee for them and some of those players would have fetched quite a price and if they turn out to be decent you know what you'll be getting for your money. Its quite a smart move its a shame some fans lack patience and are completely short sighted when it comes to some things.

Now back to the Sven coming in after 10 games.. He came in 3/4 months after pre-season to a squad that was full of sub standard signings (Moreno & Lamey anyone?) and fan favorites playing like Sunday League players (Morrison still isn't the same, Hobbs is a shadow of his former self, Fryatt looked lazier than ever and Waghorn was blowing hot and cold) the only player performing when Sven came in was Andy King who seemed to be carrying the team. Not forgetting players that had handed in transfer requests because they were unhappy with the management. Sven when he came in changed it around, Wellens decided to show the form that previously had people touting him as one of the best midfield players in the Championship, Paul Gallagher found consistency that many people thought he never had in him, Yuki Abe was played in his correct position and was instrumental in helping other players raise their games. 90% of fans would have taken where we are now in October and would have been happy with it.. So whats changed?

I'm not saying Svens been a miracle worker but he's done a good job patching up the team and getting us playing well (Its the first time i've seen/heard City referred to as a good passing team in a long time) to reach the positions we have done recently and people need to recognize that. The man has made some errors in his time the signing of Bruma and that apparent clause is one of them (The one where the fee is lower everytime he plays.) I believe on paper that it was a quality signing but it just hasn't worked out. It seems as if the lad doesn't think he has to try as hard because he knows he's assured of a place in the team because of the 'clause.' The constant tinkering of the defence has been part of the reason we've been failing but what can you do if some players just aren't up to the job? He's stated he's learning but with such a lack of quality in depth theres little that can be done until the summer. If he sticks by what he says then he'll know what to improve right away.

Also the stick Yakubu gets is slightly over the top. He's got a good strike rate 7 goals since he's been here and only recently he's lost a little form but teams are sticking 3 players on him at times and even some of the best players can't do much against that. Either way he's not as bad as some make out i'm pretty sure he gets a lot of stick because he seems to be 'lazy' and i've heard a few racist comments about too.

Finally.. Chris ****ing Weale. I hope he never pulls on a City shirt again, the amount of points he's cost us this season because he cannot make basic saves from range or because he's messed up a completely routine catch its unreal. Where does all the love for him come from? I'm pretty sure the majority jumped on the Bandwagon because they haven't forgiven Portugal for knocking England out of two tournaments (Ricardo being instrumental both times) so its not because Ricardo is a bad keeper (He's alright a little past it but he hasn't dropped as many errors as Weale has lately let alone over the whole season) its just because he's Portuguese.

Overall i think Sven should be given a full pre-season to build a squad and then he can be judged on that a few games into next season. He was brought in this season as a firefighter with the aim of promotion next season so lets just judge him on that ok?

[Haydos]

Ok i've had a bit to drink but since this is the realistic thread its time to be realistic.

First off it seems our fans are divided into 2 halves. Pro-Sven and Anti-Sven (Pro-Sven also constitutes of people that are still on the fence willing to give him a chance.) The majority of the Anti-Sven brigade seem to be made up of a similar type of fan. The ones that are still butthurt about Pearson leaving and their favorite players not playing every week. The ones that want a 'young english manager with fire in his belly'. The ones that actually wrote Sven off as a mercenary the minute he stepped through the door unwilling to give him a chance and then the numptys that don't like him just because he isn't English.

The Anti-Sven fans seem to blame the loan players for everything that goes wrong forgetting that the Waghorn that they chant for every week and call for inclusion was a loanee at one point in his life with us and the same with Jack Hobbs. The fact is some loans work and some loans don't but placing the blame solely on the loanees because 'They don't care for the club' is downright ridiculous. How about the Andy Kings, the Richie Wellens and the Sol Bambas that have gone completely missing in recent weeks? They are to blame as much as anyone. It seems some fans just want to pick and choose when something matters and when it doesn't.

Myself, i'm Pro-Sven considering he came in 10 games in with a side completely destroyed by Sousa lacking confidence he picked us up almost right away the players he loaned on paper no fan in their right mind would have said no too. Ok so some haven't worked out like Kirkland, Bednar, Bruma, PVA and to some extend Yakubu (More on him later). On paper these are quality players and it shows the ambition of the Manager and the Owners to go for the very best available. There have also been the successful loanees such as Naughton, Cunningham, Mee, Kamara (still 50/50). It really works both ways, the benefits of loaning players is that we haven't had to pay a permanent fee for them and some of those players would have fetched quite a price and if they turn out to be decent you know what you'll be getting for your money. Its quite a smart move its a shame some fans lack patience and are completely short sighted when it comes to some things.

Now back to the Sven coming in after 10 games.. He came in 3/4 months after pre-season to a squad that was full of sub standard signings (Moreno & Lamey anyone?) and fan favorites playing like Sunday League players (Morrison still isn't the same, Hobbs is a shadow of his former self, Fryatt looked lazier than ever and Waghorn was blowing hot and cold) the only player performing when Sven came in was Andy King who seemed to be carrying the team. Not forgetting players that had handed in transfer requests because they were unhappy with the management. Sven when he came in changed it around, Wellens decided to show the form that previously had people touting him as one of the best midfield players in the Championship, Paul Gallagher found consistency that many people thought he never had in him, Yuki Abe was played in his correct position and was instrumental in helping other players raise their games. 90% of fans would have taken where we are now in October and would have been happy with it.. So whats changed?

I'm not saying Svens been a miracle worker but he's done a good job patching up the team and getting us playing well (Its the first time i've seen/heard City referred to as a good passing team in a long time) to reach the positions we have done recently and people need to recognize that. The man has made some errors in his time the signing of Bruma and that apparent clause is one of them (The one where the fee is lower everytime he plays.) I believe on paper that it was a quality signing but it just hasn't worked out. It seems as if the lad doesn't think he has to try as hard because he knows he's assured of a place in the team because of the 'clause.' The constant tinkering of the defence has been part of the reason we've been failing but what can you do if some players just aren't up to the job? He's stated he's learning but with such a lack of quality in depth theres little that can be done until the summer. If he sticks by what he says then he'll know what to improve right away.

Also the stick Yakubu gets is slightly over the top. He's got a good strike rate 7 goals since he's been here and only recently he's lost a little form but teams are sticking 3 players on him at times and even some of the best players can't do much against that. Either way he's not as bad as some make out i'm pretty sure he gets a lot of stick because he seems to be 'lazy' and i've heard a few racist comments about too.

Finally.. Chris ****ing Weale. I hope he never pulls on a City shirt again, the amount of points he's cost us this season because he cannot make basic saves from range or because he's messed up a completely routine catch its unreal. Where does all the love for him come from? I'm pretty sure the majority jumped on the Bandwagon because they haven't forgiven Portugal for knocking England out of two tournaments (Ricardo being instrumental both times) so its not because Ricardo is a bad keeper (He's alright a little past it but he hasn't dropped as many errors as Weale has lately let alone over the whole season) its just because he's Portuguese.

Overall i think Sven should be given a full pre-season to build a squad and then he can be judged on that a few games into next season. He was brought in this season as a firefighter with the aim of promotion next season so lets just judge him on that ok?

Well ****ing said. No doubt there'll be people correcting you but you've called it like it is: the anti-svens, their selective criticism, the loanee situation, Weale, realism. Agree with pretty much all of it.

[Guest Col city fan]

Well ****ing said. No doubt there'll be people correcting you but you've called it like it is: the anti-svens, their selective criticism, the loanee situation, Weale, realism. Agree with pretty much all of it.

Horseshit!

I was as excited as anyone else when we appointed Svennis

Nothing to do with racism, Sousa, loanees and the like.......

Quite simply think he's lost the plot recently - look at the stats for fooks sake.... how many more times does it need saying that our record over last two months is the worst in the league!!!

This don't mean Sven wont come good (no pun intended) - it simply means that the City team are currently shite - and Sven is the manager, so I blame him for our current shiteness

Fookin hell, its like having conversations with Woody Allen...

[Dames]

Horseshit!

I was as excited as anyone else when we appointed Svennis

Nothing to do with racism, Sousa, loanees and the like.......

Quite simply think he's lost the plot recently - look at the stats for fooks sake.... how many more times does it need saying that our record over last two months is the worst in the league!!!

This don't mean Sven wont come good (no pun intended) - it simply means that the City team are currently shite - and Sven is the manager, so I blame him for our current shiteness

Fookin hell, its like having conversations with Woody Allen...

A good 50% of the abuse some players get is from some form of deep rooted racism (Color of Skin/Nationality) not saying its you but think and listen real hard about it and you'll notice.

Yes he has partially lost the plot lately but he's restricted by the tools he's been given to work with. We don't have enough quality in depth or players in form the simple fact is that the players have gone off the boil lately its their fault as much as Svens and this is what people are trying to say.

Also i feel that the owners are pushing for the Inclusion of Bruma (because of the clause) because they don't want to be spending that much money. This is probably why the defence has been messed around so much in recent weeks. It was a gamble to take a loan option like that because if he turned out good then this wouldn't be up for debate but because he hasn't its causing a whole host of issues.

[Haydos]

Horseshit!

I was as excited as anyone else when we appointed Svennis

Nothing to do with racism, Sousa, loanees and the like.......

Quite simply think he's lost the plot recently - look at the stats for fooks sake.... how many more times does it need saying that our record over last two months is the worst in the league!!!

This don't mean Sven wont come good (no pun intended) - it simply means that the City team are currently shite - and Sven is the manager, so I blame him for our current shiteness

Fookin hell, its like having conversations with Woody Allen...

How knee jerk can you be? Where were you when we we're unbeaten for 8 games? You weren't moaning we were shite then.

Understand. Football. Please. I don't know if you meant to quote me because I didn't mention racism but there is no plot to lose. I'll say it again because you don't seem to understand the situation: We gambled on talented players and banked on them to play good football using said ability. No blending, no teamwork, just raw talent. There was not much else to do after Sousa ****ed things up.

[Guest Col city fan]

A good 50% of the abuse some players get is from some form of deep rooted racism (Color of Skin/Nationality) not saying its you but think and listen real hard about it and you'll notice.

Yes he has partially lost the plot lately but he's restricted by the tools he's been given to work with. We don't have enough quality in depth or players in form the simple fact is that the players have gone off the boil lately its their fault as much as Svens and this is what people are trying to say.

Also i feel that the owners are pushing for the Inclusion of Bruma (because of the clause) because they don't want to be spending that much money. This is probably why the defence has been messed around so much in recent weeks. It was a gamble to take a loan option like that because if he turned out good then this wouldn't be up for debate but because he hasn't its causing a whole host of issues.

Listen mate.... I'm dead confused here and am finding it hard to understand this.... WHY is Sven restricted by the tools he's been given??? Ok he inherited a squad bereft of confidence, but he's had lotsa lotsa games to put this right. He's also had money for expensive loanees - Kamara, the Yak, Naughton can't come cheap surely??

He didn't HAVE to sign Bruma did he? or Bamba, or Ricardo - he CHOSE to - instead he could have worked with what we had already and improved them (Hobbs, Morrison, Conrad)

I'm sorry but Sven HAS had some time to chage things, HAS been given the tools and had the same 'quality in depth' as Pearson had during the previous season.. these are facts....

Yes, he did ok for a bit, but then fooked it up...I'm sorry, but he did.. its not been a partial loss of the plot, its been a wholsesale one.and the stats state this - Sven makes his own bed and lies in it, so pleeeese stop making rubbish excuses for him

I hope he turns it round, I genuinely do, but stop trying to make out that our current form is not the worst in the bloody division, because it is....

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Listen mate.... I'm dead confused here and am finding it hard to understand this.... WHY is Sven restricted by the tools he's been given??? Ok he inherited a squad bereft of confidence, but he's had 34 games to put this right. He's also had money for expensive loanees - Kamara, the Yak, Naughton can't come cheap surely??

He didn't HAVE to sign Bruma did he? or Bamba, or Ricardo - he CHOSE to - instead he could have worked with what we had already and improved them (Hobbs, Morrison, Conrad)

I'm sorry but Sven HAS had some time to chage things, HAS been given the tools and had the same 'quality in depth' as Pearson had during the previous season.. these are facts....

Yes, he did ok for a bit, but then fooked it up...I'm sorry, but he did.. its not been a partial loss of the plot, its been a wholsesale one.and the stats state this - Sven makes his own bed and lies in it, so pleeeese stop making rubbish excuses for him

I hope he turns it round, I genuinely do, but stop trying to make out that our current form is not the worst in the bloody division, because it is....

He CHOSE to sign them because he thought they'd improve the team. Morrison was playing shit and I'd still take Bruma over him. Weale has also proved he isn't up to it.

See above, Morrison is now struggling in League 1 and Logan was poor for us and is never a champ keeper.