The not 'over the top', but realistic thread, sponsored by Col City Fan

[Dames]

Listen mate.... I'm dead confused here and am finding it hard to understand this.... WHY is Sven restricted by the tools he's been given??? Ok he inherited a squad bereft of confidence, but he's had 34 games to put this right. He's also had money for expensive loanees - Kamara, the Yak, Naughton can't come cheap surely??

He didn't HAVE to sign Bruma did he? or Bamba, or Ricardo - he CHOSE to - instead he could have worked with what we had already and improved them (Hobbs, Morrison, Conrad)

I'm sorry but Sven HAS had some time to chage things, HAS been given the tools and had the same 'quality in depth' as Pearson had during the previous season.. these are facts....

Yes, he did ok for a bit, but then fooked it up...I'm sorry, but he did.. its not been a partial loss of the plot, its been a wholsesale one.and the stats state this - Sven makes his own bed and lies in it, so pleeeese stop making rubbish excuses for him

I hope he turns it round, I genuinely do, but stop trying to make out that our current form is not the worst in the bloody division, because it is....

34 games with a squad already playing completely shit. Players that wanted to leave and only a loan window and 1 month in an inflated January transfer window. Think about it seriously for a second, up until the end of February he completely turned this around. The team just ran out of momentum. Stop harping on about Hobbs, Morrison and co. Hobbs isn't setting Hull alight and from what i've read/heard Morrison is playing like he's completely out of his depth in League 1. Don't get me wrong i like Hobbs and i hope he comes back here to do well but this season just hasn't worked for him.

Again, get over Pearson we spent 90% of games playing it safe sticking 8 men behind the ball and lumping it to the big man and his partner. God forbid if we went 1-0 up because it was every man behind the ball for the rest of the game. We found moderate success playing like this but when we came up against teams with real quality we struggled. Would the same tactics have worked this season? I doubt it.

Also yes we are in bad form at the minute but if you read what i've said about the Bruma situation its not completely Svens fault. Its his fault for the gamble but Bruma has been touted as being a top player and has represented the World Cup finalists on several occasions.. Has Hobbs or Morrison come anywhere near that? No and they never ever will. Its a shame Bruma didn't work out.

There not excuses they are facts Sven is at fault but so are the players that haven't turned up in recent weeks.

[The Sven Revolution]

Now THERE'S a surprise!! Didn't have to be gypsy rose Lee to predict that you would agree did ya....

It's nothing to do with you my friend! You want too much attention

[MC Prussian]

Oh this January stuff really won't wash. Has the January transfer window just been invented? The difficulties of changing a squad during it are very well documented. Sven knew that. and he was faced with a choice. To start building a lasting sustainable side which could be added to and reinforced in the summer. Or he could wave the chequebook at anyone who looked as though they might have any chance of getting us promoted in a hurry. He chose the latter and I'm afraid he has to live with that misjudgement. Partly because he failed to identify the players in the Premiership who would come and make that all important contribtion. Swansea have Borini - we have the Yak. That's the difference.

My use of the word "we" reflects the fact that people who criticise Sven immediately get labelled as ignorant morons who fail to understand the modern game and Sven's glittering record within it. I don't claim to speak for anyone, but the critics do have to put up with a lot of unjustified abuse - we've even been called "racist" in some quarters which is utterly laughable. My use of the word "svenista" is a riposte to that abuse - because when you get his supporters to really defend themselves it really amounts to trashing Pearson. blaming Sousa and trusting that someone with Sven's record really does override what we see on the pitch week in week out. For instance, if he identifies inconsistency at the back as a major and decisive problem why not choose your best two central defenders (to most eyes Bamba and Mee and now Vitor and Mee) and stick with them - so they can develop an understanding. What's the Bruma love-in all about? It's Junior Lewis re-invented.

What a bitter old man you are.

Still claim to speak for more than one? You all right up in the kitchen?

So January transfer windows allow managers to build a lasting, sustainable side? Since when? Do you have any examples to support your theory?

If this was the case, do you seriously believe a team can gel overnight that way?

And since when are "Svenistas" defending themselves? Where? And why should they?

Where was there a "Bruma Love-In"? Show and tell!

In the meantime, lay off either the booze or the prescriptions.

Oh, and get a life (whilst you still can).

[MC Prussian]

Ok i've had a bit to drink but since this is the realistic thread its time to be realistic.

First off it seems our fans are divided into 2 halves. Pro-Sven and Anti-Sven (Pro-Sven also constitutes of people that are still on the fence willing to give him a chance.) The majority of the Anti-Sven brigade seem to be made up of a similar type of fan. The ones that are still butthurt about Pearson leaving and their favorite players not playing every week. The ones that want a 'young english manager with fire in his belly'. The ones that actually wrote Sven off as a mercenary the minute he stepped through the door unwilling to give him a chance and then the numptys that don't like him just because he isn't English.

The Anti-Sven fans seem to blame the loan players for everything that goes wrong forgetting that the Waghorn that they chant for every week and call for inclusion was a loanee at one point in his life with us and the same with Jack Hobbs. The fact is some loans work and some loans don't but placing the blame solely on the loanees because 'They don't care for the club' is downright ridiculous. How about the Andy Kings, the Richie Wellens and the Sol Bambas that have gone completely missing in recent weeks? They are to blame as much as anyone. It seems some fans just want to pick and choose when something matters and when it doesn't.

Myself, i'm Pro-Sven considering he came in 10 games in with a side completely destroyed by Sousa lacking confidence he picked us up almost right away the players he loaned on paper no fan in their right mind would have said no too. Ok so some haven't worked out like Kirkland, Bednar, Bruma, PVA and to some extend Yakubu (More on him later). On paper these are quality players and it shows the ambition of the Manager and the Owners to go for the very best available. There have also been the successful loanees such as Naughton, Cunningham, Mee, Kamara (still 50/50). It really works both ways, the benefits of loaning players is that we haven't had to pay a permanent fee for them and some of those players would have fetched quite a price and if they turn out to be decent you know what you'll be getting for your money. Its quite a smart move its a shame some fans lack patience and are completely short sighted when it comes to some things.

Now back to the Sven coming in after 10 games.. He came in 3/4 months after pre-season to a squad that was full of sub standard signings (Moreno & Lamey anyone?) and fan favorites playing like Sunday League players (Morrison still isn't the same, Hobbs is a shadow of his former self, Fryatt looked lazier than ever and Waghorn was blowing hot and cold) the only player performing when Sven came in was Andy King who seemed to be carrying the team. Not forgetting players that had handed in transfer requests because they were unhappy with the management. Sven when he came in changed it around, Wellens decided to show the form that previously had people touting him as one of the best midfield players in the Championship, Paul Gallagher found consistency that many people thought he never had in him, Yuki Abe was played in his correct position and was instrumental in helping other players raise their games. 90% of fans would have taken where we are now in October and would have been happy with it.. So whats changed?

I'm not saying Svens been a miracle worker but he's done a good job patching up the team and getting us playing well (Its the first time i've seen/heard City referred to as a good passing team in a long time) to reach the positions we have done recently and people need to recognize that. The man has made some errors in his time the signing of Bruma and that apparent clause is one of them (The one where the fee is lower everytime he plays.) I believe on paper that it was a quality signing but it just hasn't worked out. It seems as if the lad doesn't think he has to try as hard because he knows he's assured of a place in the team because of the 'clause.' The constant tinkering of the defence has been part of the reason we've been failing but what can you do if some players just aren't up to the job? He's stated he's learning but with such a lack of quality in depth theres little that can be done until the summer. If he sticks by what he says then he'll know what to improve right away.

Also the stick Yakubu gets is slightly over the top. He's got a good strike rate 7 goals since he's been here and only recently he's lost a little form but teams are sticking 3 players on him at times and even some of the best players can't do much against that. Either way he's not as bad as some make out i'm pretty sure he gets a lot of stick because he seems to be 'lazy' and i've heard a few racist comments about too.

Finally.. Chris ****ing Weale. I hope he never pulls on a City shirt again, the amount of points he's cost us this season because he cannot make basic saves from range or because he's messed up a completely routine catch its unreal. Where does all the love for him come from? I'm pretty sure the majority jumped on the Bandwagon because they haven't forgiven Portugal for knocking England out of two tournaments (Ricardo being instrumental both times) so its not because Ricardo is a bad keeper (He's alright a little past it but he hasn't dropped as many errors as Weale has lately let alone over the whole season) its just because he's Portuguese.

Overall i think Sven should be given a full pre-season to build a squad and then he can be judged on that a few games into next season. He was brought in this season as a firefighter with the aim of promotion next season so lets just judge him on that ok?

YES! YES! YES!!

I ****ing love you.

[21st Century Fox]

Horseshit!

Another "fair and balanced" opinion on YOUR debate.

Nice one

[FoxyPV]

Dames - good post.

[smudgerfox]

What a bitter old man you are.

Still claim to speak for more than one? You all right up in the kitchen?

So January transfer windows allow managers to build a lasting, sustainable side? Since when? Do you have any examples to support your theory?

If this was the case, do you seriously believe a team can gel overnight that way?

And since when are "Svenistas" defending themselves? Where? And why should they?

Where was there a "Bruma Love-In"? Show and tell!

In the meantime, lay off either the booze or the prescriptions.

Oh, and get a life (whilst you still can).

Not old, not bitter. Have a life - thanks very much. Not pissed. Not on prescription drugs. Funny boy eh Prussian? Do you do stand-up?. There are others who agree with me - most of them can string a sentence together without resorting to personal abuse - which is more than can be said for you. Most of them can follow a line of reasoning which is more than can be said for you.

On the January window - sorry that you're so thick to understand my point. I am not saying you build a side in January or that anyone has done before - though I'm sure it has been done on occasion. I'm taliking about making signings which make a difference in the long run - signings which are for the club's long term and not just about trying to scramble enough points to make the play-offs. Signings which address some of the obvious problems - poor defence, no captain, weak midfield with lack of cover, striker with potential to score Championship goals for this season and next. The kind of signing Scott Sinclair was when Swansea signed him - not headline-grabbing but an investment in potential and the future - not just a kwik-fix.

The Svenistas dominate this board complaining about people who "want Sven out." They call those of us who have a more critical approach to Sven, ignorant, moronic, even racist. You'll see that the tone of your reply confirms this abusive approach. So they're defending their God-like manager as though anyone who dares voice any criticism is personally responsible for what subsequently goes wrong.

The Bruma love-in refers to the fact that he manages to get selected regardless of his performance or the overall performance of the defence with him in it. Nor does it seem to matter how the others played without him when he misses a game through injury or suspension. This reminds me of the Junior Lewis/Peter Taylor era. I thought it was obvious.

[MC Prussian]

Not old, not bitter. Have a life - thanks very much. Not pissed. Not on prescription drugs. Funny boy eh Prussian? Do you do stand-up?. There are others who agree with me - most of them can string a sentence together without resorting to personal abuse - which is more than can be said for you. Most of them can follow a line of reasoning which is more than can be said for you.

On the January window - sorry that you're so thick to understand my point. I am not saying you build a side in January or that anyone has done before - though I'm sure it has been done on occasion. I'm taliking about making signings which make a difference in the long run - signings which are for the club's long term and not just about trying to scramble enough points to make the play-offs. Signings which address some of the obvious problems - poor defence, no captain, weak midfield with lack of cover, striker with potential to score Championship goals for this season and next. The kind of signing Scott Sinclair was when Swansea signed him - not headline-grabbing but an investment in potential and the future - not just a kwik-fix.

The Svenistas dominate this board complaining about people who "want Sven out." They call those of us who have a more critical approach to Sven, ignorant, moronic, even racist. You'll see that the tone of your reply confirms this abusive approach. So they're defending their God-like manager as though anyone who dares voice any criticism is personally responsible for what subsequently goes wrong.

The Bruma love-in refers to the fact that he manages to get selected regardless of his performance or the overall performance of the defence with him in it. Nor does it seem to matter how the others played without him when he misses a game through injury or suspension. This reminds me of the Junior Lewis/Peter Taylor era. I thought it was obvious.

How long must this "long term" be before you start acknowledging a new manager's mentality and strategy?

And how are you to judge Eriksson & Co. already now? Are you able to detect the weak spot in your own argumentation?

Do you see that you're essentially fretting over nothing?

I could somehow accept your rants if we were at this stage next season, with Sven still with us, a proper pre-season behind us and the same kind of results/string of results.

If I'm not mistaken, the last January transfer window was only two to three months ago.

Bruma love-in? For instance, you do realize we were short in personnel for the centre-back position for yesterday's game and that it's up to Sven to place a cracking Mee on the left side.

I do also recall us playing shit without Bruma. Norwich at home? Bamba's form has also dipped recently.

And lastly, how can you seriously compare Scott Sinclair, who signed with Swansea last summer, with our loan player situation?

I mean, even a football expert with your vast amount of experience going to matches should know that they're two completely different matters altogether.

It's a bit like saying Alex Ferguson has a better track record with Manchester United than Sven has with us.

See what I mean?

And you call yourself "more critical"? Bitter, more like it.

Why do I use the word "bitter"? Yes, I have called you and your kind "closet racist" in past posts, but that mainly because the knee-jerk reactions of you and your kind reminded me of people slagging off players due to their nationality only and/or because of what they've done to England/the English National squad in the past. Bitter people.

Best example? Ricardo flops - cue closet racists storming out of the bedroom:

"I TOLD YOU - HE'S PORTUGUESE!!!"

It's this kind of erratic logic and unfounded argumentation that baffles me (and others), your way of connecting odd dots here and there.

Maybe at one point you can get a grip, come to terms and understand why I (and others) am/are oh-so, pardon, "abusive" towards to you (and your kind) and why some question your personal state of mind. Sorry about the prescriptions, but they seemed like a logical explanation to me.

EDIT: See what I did there? One entire post without personal abuse! (I'm already sorry if you should feel offended by my repetitious use of the term "bitter" when describing your personality, though)

Now you follow suit and start making more sense in your own posts.

[Haydos]

Not old, not bitter. Have a life - thanks very much. Not pissed. Not on prescription drugs. Funny boy eh Prussian? Do you do stand-up?. There are others who agree with me - most of them can string a sentence together without resorting to personal abuse - which is more than can be said for you. Most of them can follow a line of reasoning which is more than can be said for you.

On the January window - sorry that you're so thick to understand my point. I am not saying you build a side in January or that anyone has done before - though I'm sure it has been done on occasion. I'm taliking about making signings which make a difference in the long run - signings which are for the club's long term and not just about trying to scramble enough points to make the play-offs. Signings which address some of the obvious problems - poor defence, no captain, weak midfield with lack of cover, striker with potential to score Championship goals for this season and next. The kind of signing Scott Sinclair was when Swansea signed him - not headline-grabbing but an investment in potential and the future - not just a kwik-fix.

The Svenistas dominate this board complaining about people who "want Sven out." They call those of us who have a more critical approach to Sven, ignorant, moronic, even racist. You'll see that the tone of your reply confirms this abusive approach. So they're defending their God-like manager as though anyone who dares voice any criticism is personally responsible for what subsequently goes wrong.

The Bruma love-in refers to the fact that he manages to get selected regardless of his performance or the overall performance of the defence with him in it. Nor does it seem to matter how the others played without him when he misses a game through injury or suspension. This reminds me of the Junior Lewis/Peter Taylor era. I thought it was obvious.

I can understand your point of view but a some (including Sven) believe that the all or nothing approach was worth it. It's not like one way of doing it was obviously the 'better' way. They both have their ups and downs. The way we did it could have and almost did result in a playoff position whereas the alternative was arguably less likely to enable us to challenge but more likely to settle us a bit sooner for next season. It's swings and roundabouts.

On your second paragraph though you have a go at Prussian for 'being too thick to understand your point' yet you are missing the overall point that I mention above: That we chucked everything at promotion this year, a gamble. Again, it's almost certainly not the long term plan for the club yet you appear to assume this is how we will go on.

Another issue I have with some posters on here is their without-a-leg-to-stand-on points. You mention Scott Sinclair, who signed on a permanent in the summer. Who's to say Naughton and Mee and possibly others will not similarly sign for us in the summer? This is in your words 'an investment in potential and the future' and I support this and hope to see it over the coming months. My point is you've deliberately picked out a successful signing for Swansea with hindsight and compared that with our completely different situation and used it to criticise a manager who's not been able to make any summer signings.

It is poorly thought out arguments like yours that are indicative of a lot people criticising the manager for the wrong things and I think that's why a lot of people have very little time for it. Criticise the tinkering but don't compare other clubs seasons to ours with irrelevant points.

[Thracian]

You - like a lot of the Svenistas are missing a few simple points. He's supposed to be a world class manager - in a different league (literally) to everyone that went before him. He HAS had over 30 league games in charge. He HAS been supported in the transfer market (Bamba, Vassell) but more especially in the loan market to a level few City managers have been in the past. He DID inherit the skeleton of a squad which made the play offs last season.

He has FAILED to address some of the fundamentals of any footballing enterprise. Strong leader-captain. Strong spine - goalie, central defence, centre mid, striker. Good squad spirit. His persistence with Bruma at the expense of Mee and Vitor is nothing less than an insult to the intelligence of any paying supporter. He HAS FAILED to lay a single foundation for a successful assault on promotion next season - leaving it all to be sorted out in yet another summer of turmoil and upheaval.

Let's be clear - those of us who are critical of Sven - don't want him gone. There have been far too many managers here already. We don't love NFP - though most of us feel ashamed of the way he was treated and are sickened by the trashing of his reputation and that of some of the players he signed, on boards such as this (he did, remember, have a tiny budget so when shopping for keepers never had the option of casting his eye across the international market)

What we do want is for the owners and Sven to realise that getting out of the Championship requires more than hanging round the fringes of the top six Premiership clubs begging for their cast-offs. It requires unity, team spirit, sweat, determination and hunger as well as skill and a reputation forged some years ago, So stop accusing of things we never said or never wanted and address the failings (many of them to my mind) of our great leader.

[jamesmilner]

sven talking absolute POO in the mercury today

"It is important for us that we finish the season well, regardless of the other results," said Eriksson.

"It would be awful for the players, the club and the fans if we

START to play bad football.

"You have to fight until the end, whatever happens and, with the spirit we have in the team, we will.

"Of course, the mood in the dressing room is down.

if we START to play bad football ????????????????????????????? , surely 9 measily points out of 33 points is BAD football . he is a twat . how bad is 9pts out of 33pts ? to me that is REALLY BAD. he even thinks we are the better side in games , sven is nuts . if we start , it started when you changed things and brought in shit players . AND THAT IS A FULLSTOP THERE .

[Guest Col city fan]

sven talking absolute POO in the mercury today

"It is important for us that we finish the season well, regardless of the other results," said Eriksson.

"It would be awful for the players, the club and the fans if we

START to play bad football.

"You have to fight until the end, whatever happens and, with the spirit we have in the team, we will.

"Of course, the mood in the dressing room is down.

if we START to play bad football ????????????????????????????? , surely 9 measily points out of 33 points is BAD football . he is a twat . how bad is 9pts out of 33pts ? to me that is REALLY BAD. he even thinks we are the better side in games , sven is nuts . if we start , it started when you changed things and brought in shit players . AND THAT IS A FULLSTOP THERE .

9 points out of 33 is 'Sousa-esque' and extremely dissapointing

[davieG]

sven talking absolute POO in the mercury today

"It is important for us that we finish the season well, regardless of the other results," said Eriksson.

"It would be awful for the players, the club and the fans if we

START to play bad football.

"You have to fight until the end, whatever happens and, with the spirit we have in the team, we will.

"Of course, the mood in the dressing room is down.

if we START to play bad football ????????????????????????????? , surely 9 measily points out of 33 points is BAD football . he is a twat . how bad is 9pts out of 33pts ? to me that is REALLY BAD. he even thinks we are the better side in games , sven is nuts . if we start , it started when you changed things and brought in shit players . AND THAT IS A FULLSTOP THERE .

You seemed to have posted this in the wrong thread, I refer you to the title of the thread - "The not 'over the top', but realistic thread"

[B52]

sven talking absolute POO in the mercury today

"It is important for us that we finish the season well, regardless of the other results," said Eriksson.

"It would be awful for the players, the club and the fans if we

START to play bad football.

"You have to fight until the end, whatever happens and, with the spirit we have in the team, we will.

"Of course, the mood in the dressing room is down.

if we START to play bad football ????????????????????????????? , surely 9 measily points out of 33 points is BAD football . he is a twat . how bad is 9pts out of 33pts ? to me that is REALLY BAD. he even thinks we are the better side in games , sven is nuts . if we start , it started when you changed things and brought in shit players . AND THAT IS A FULLSTOP THERE .

.......and??? What would you like him to say then?

I think that Sven could have said anything and you would take it as bad, bad, bad. Naah, let's hear some constructive criticism.

[Charl91]

sven talking absolute POO in the mercury today

"It is important for us that we finish the season well, regardless of the other results," said Eriksson.

"It would be awful for the players, the club and the fans if we

START to play bad football.

"You have to fight until the end, whatever happens and, with the spirit we have in the team, we will.

"Of course, the mood in the dressing room is down.

if we START to play bad football ????????????????????????????? , surely 9 measily points out of 33 points is BAD football . he is a twat . how bad is 9pts out of 33pts ? to me that is REALLY BAD. he even thinks we are the better side in games , sven is nuts . if we start , it started when you changed things and brought in shit players . AND THAT IS A FULLSTOP THERE .

Actually, they're bad results, not neccesarily bad football.

[jamesmilner]

bad football ? surely your football is monitored on results ? our results are bad !!! the defense is so bad ITS UNREAL .our points taken lately is bad . our position in the league compared to when we were 7th is bad . our goal difference is really really bad . most of the players on loan are bad . to send out players we need on loan is bad . to put loan players on "if you play" contracts is bad . the goalkeeper he signed is bad . the man he brought in to look after £10 million of his money was bad . and so on .....................................................................................and please dont tell me,and thats all of you,that when we were 7th you believed we were NOT going to be in the play off s you would be lying , and thats even the bum lickers .why arent we ? bad luck ? get real .you like me saw a GOOD SIDE playing well in a SETTLED side . why did we drop like a brick ? 9pts out of 33pts means you are playing bad , you cannot be that unlucky , the gods cant turn on that much so quickly it must have been something else . SVEN GORAN ERIKSSON factor thats what it was . what he did by changing a winning side , selling/loaning out players to a side that has now gone above us in the league (didnt surprise me ,got slagged off by the bum lickers on here by mentioning it) completely ruined our assault on the play offs . how bad does he have to be ?

[Babylon]

You seemed to have posted this in the wrong thread, I refer you to the title of the thread - "The not 'over the top', but realistic thread"

I think it was meant for the "ignore anything good that's happened, go over the top, almost unreadable" thread.

[Babylon]

Completely ruined our assault on the play offs . how bad does he have to be ?

Dunno, maybe so bad he didn't put us in contention for the play offs in the first place?

[B52]

bad football ? surely your football is monitored on results ? our results are bad !!! the defense is so bad ITS UNREAL .our points taken lately is bad . our position in the league compared to when we were 7th is bad . our goal difference is really really bad . most of the players on loan are bad . to send out players we need on loan is bad . to put loan players on "if you play" contracts is bad . the goalkeeper he signed is bad . the man he brought in to look after £10 million of his money was bad . and so on .....................................................................................and please dont tell me,and thats all of you,that when we were 7th you believed we were NOT going to be in the play off s you would be lying , and thats even the bum lickers .why arent we ? bad luck ? get real .you like me saw a GOOD SIDE playing well in a SETTLED side . why did we drop like a brick ? 9pts out of 33pts means you are playing bad , you cannot be that unlucky , the gods cant turn on that much so quickly it must have been something else . SVEN GORAN ERIKSSON factor thats what it was . what he did by changing a winning side , selling/loaning out players to a side that has now gone above us in the league (didnt surprise me ,got slagged off by the bum lickers on here by mentioning it) completely ruined our assault on the play offs . how bad does he have to be ?

I think everyone is as frustrated as you are. But I asked what Sven could say to calm your feelings. I don't think he could say anything because frustration has eaten you alive...

Look forward to the next season. If we had gone up now with a shattered team like this we would have a really hard time to stay up.

Now, Sven can build a team before automatic and only need to fill a few holes before PL.

[MC Prussian]

bad football ? surely your football is monitored on results ? our results are bad !!! the defense is so bad ITS UNREAL .our points taken lately is bad . our position in the league compared to when we were 7th is bad . our goal difference is really really bad . most of the players on loan are bad . to send out players we need on loan is bad . to put loan players on "if you play" contracts is bad . the goalkeeper he signed is bad . the man he brought in to look after £10 million of his money was bad . and so on .....................................................................................and please dont tell me,and thats all of you,that when we were 7th you believed we were NOT going to be in the play off s you would be lying , and thats even the bum lickers .why arent we ? bad luck ? get real .you like me saw a GOOD SIDE playing well in a SETTLED side . why did we drop like a brick ? 9pts out of 33pts means you are playing bad , you cannot be that unlucky , the gods cant turn on that much so quickly it must have been something else . SVEN GORAN ERIKSSON factor thats what it was . what he did by changing a winning side , selling/loaning out players to a side that has now gone above us in the league (didnt surprise me ,got slagged off by the bum lickers on here by mentioning it) completely ruined our assault on the play offs . how bad does he have to be ?

andwherewereyouwhenwewereshit?

[Guest Bilo]

I'd love to know how the people complaining about Sven's management managed to survive the management of every manager from Micky Adams to Ian Holloway without spontaneously combusting.

[reynard]

bad football ? surely your football is monitored on results ? our results are bad !!! the defense is so bad ITS UNREAL .our points taken lately is bad . our position in the league compared to when we were 7th is bad . our goal difference is really really bad . most of the players on loan are bad . to send out players we need on loan is bad . to put loan players on "if you play" contracts is bad . the goalkeeper he signed is bad . the man he brought in to look after £10 million of his money was bad . and so on .....................................................................................and please dont tell me,and thats all of you,that when we were 7th you believed we were NOT going to be in the play off s you would be lying , and thats even the bum lickers .why arent we ? bad luck ? get real .you like me saw a GOOD SIDE playing well in a SETTLED side . why did we drop like a brick ? 9pts out of 33pts means you are playing bad , you cannot be that unlucky , the gods cant turn on that much so quickly it must have been something else . SVEN GORAN ERIKSSON factor thats what it was . what he did by changing a winning side , selling/loaning out players to a side that has now gone above us in the league (didnt surprise me ,got slagged off by the bum lickers on here by mentioning it) completely ruined our assault on the play offs . how bad does he have to be ?

So our goal differnce is +1 it could be better but is isn't really really bad. Sheff utd at -32 is really really bad.

Most players on loan are bad????? Oh come on. Naughton? Mee? Vitor?

Sorry but your comments are a mad over reaction. Things could be better yes but then unless you're top of the premier league things could always be better.

And no I didn't think we would make the play offs and have not done so since our terrible start to the season. Why? because the position we were in after 9 games was so bad that no side in the last ten years has made it to the play offs from such a start. The best position attained was 9th and we may well equal that.

I notice you've been a fan since 1969; if so you will know there have been far worse times than we are currently experiencing. Individual mistakes have cost us points (keeping errors alone account for 3 or 4 in the last few games) oh and none thrown away by the "bad " keeper who would probably have saved the shot against Crystal Palace and the one at Forest.

I suggest you take a deep breath and think about supporting Man Utd or Chelsea or Barcelona where at least you would be guaranteed not to lose many games.

[The Sven Revolution]

sven talking absolute POO in the mercury today

"It is important for us that we finish the season well, regardless of the other results," said Eriksson.

"It would be awful for the players, the club and the fans if we

START to play bad football.

"You have to fight until the end, whatever happens and, with the spirit we have in the team, we will.

"Of course, the mood in the dressing room is down.

if we START to play bad football ????????????????????????????? , surely 9 measily points out of 33 points is BAD football . he is a twat . how bad is 9pts out of 33pts ? to me that is REALLY BAD. he even thinks we are the better side in games , sven is nuts . if we start , it started when you changed things and brought in shit players . AND THAT IS A FULLSTOP THERE .

Please understand what he is trying to convey, rather than putting in 50 question marks! What he is saying is that the quality of football, the passing, the creation of chances, the free flowing game is all there..thats what he means by 'not bad football'. Ofcourse he has said hundred time that its the defensive errors that has got us the 'Sousa-esque' 9 points from 33. Now its upto him to change that for whatever remains this season and for next.

'Start to play bad football' would mean create no chances, no rhythm, no committment and defensive eroors continue...the nothing to play for end of season feel...he wants to avoid that. Thats all he is saying.

[The Doctor]

Bad football? Surely your football is monitored on results?

Our results are bad! The defense is so bad it's unreal .Our points taken lately is bad as is our position in the league compared to when we were 7th is bad. Our goal difference is really really bad, most of the players on loan are bad, to send out players we need on loan is bad, to put loan players on "if you play" contracts is bad, the goalkeeper he signed is bad, the man he brought in to look after £10 million of his money was bad and so on ...

Please don't tell me, and thats all of you, that when we were 7th you believed we were NOT going to be in the play offs because you would be lying including the bum-lickers.

Why aren't we? Is it bad luck? No, get real. You like me saw a good side playing well in a settled side. Why did we drop like a brick?

9pts out of 33pts means you are playing bad, you cannot be that unlucky, the gods can't turn on you that much so quickly it must have been something else.

SVEN GORAN ERIKSSON factor thats what it was. What he did by changing a winning side and selling/loaning out players to a side that has now gone above us in the league (That didn't surprise me, got slagged off by the bum lickers on here by mentioning it) was completely ruin our assault on the play offs .

How bad does he have to be?

First of all your post is nearly unreadable - please punctuate properly and seperate it out into paragraphs next time (as I've done above).

Secondly you are an unbelievable tool.

No, your football is not judged entirely on results - if it were then wenger would have been given his P45 a couple of years back. A team can play well and still lose and unfortunately that's a fairly appropriate description for us in the past couple of months.

Yes our results recently have been bad and that leads to a poor points tally from the past couple of months.

However I take issue with the rest of the points:

Our position now compared to when we were 7th isn't all that great but it's a lot better than where we were when sven took over, our goal difference was already at -10 when sven took over, compared to then our goal difference is ok.

"most of the players on loan are bad" - Why? Because stringer said they were? Grow up and form your own opinion for once: Naughton is a massive improvement over neilson and lamey, mee and bruma are both an improvement on hobbs and morrison, PVA may not be better than berner but he fits into our system better than berner, yakubu is our 3rd top scorer despite only being here for just over 3 months, while kamara has blown hot and cold he's shown he has the guile to unlock defences and is a better option than dyer.

What players that we need have we sent out on loan? The only ones with any first team experience are Logan, Moussa and Hobbs. Logan isn't good enough for this league, while Moussa has first team experience for us he hasn't got enough experience to play a part in the run-in for us and Hobbs has not been good enough this season. He was a bomb-scare under sousa and not that much better under sven - he can't pass the ball out of defence like sven wants and is reliant on a figure like wayne brown alongside him.

Can you prove the loan players have these "have to play" clauses you mention?

Erm, no he's not. Ricardo has done nothing wrong (punching instead of catching is not a ****ing mistake) and has been far better than weale. Perhaps he could have been even better if "fans" like yourself hadn't got on his back for either replacing your blue-eyed boy in weale or for playing an instrumental part in Portugals two penalty shoot-out wins over England.

What "man he brought in to look after £10 million of his money" - If you're talking about the bit on panorama recently then that was at Notts County and has **** all to do with City.

No, it isn't entirely bad luck - although there has been bad luck involved. It's also been the failures of sousas reign coming home to roost (in paticular the poor fitness training resulting in sven having to chop and change because the players are too tired to play week in week out), the fans getting expectant of the play-offs and laying into the players when ever they do something that isn't perfect (and in some cases even when they haven't done anything wrong except replace a member of the pearson side) and also us being found out somewhat.

Sven had to change the team to be able to get us through the season because of the poor fitness - and loaning out one player who wasn't going to get much first team action and selling another who:

a) had never performed for us without pearson in charge &

b) didn't fit into our system what so ever

Was not a mistake - you can't stockpile players and keep them when they are of no use to the club to stop other clubs having them, it's not good for the future of the club in terms of both the financial burdens of keeping players you don't need and bringing in players in the future. If, like we did, you get a sizeable offer for a fringe player with no future at the club you have to take the money.

[Guest Col city fan]

I'd love to know how the people complaining about Sven's management managed to survive the management of every manager from Micky Adams to Ian Holloway without spontaneously combusting.

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