joel Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 ...............Schmichael.............. Peltier St Ledger Mills Masilela ................. Abe........................ ...Danns.............Wellens......... ..............Gallagher................... .........Nugent....Vassell............ Thats a good side Bench- weale, bamba, dyer, king, schlupp, oakley, waghorn Diamond Formation
Danny the Fox 95 Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 Schmeichel Gunter Mills Mee Masilela/Konchesky Danns Wellens King Lansbury Waghorn/Yak Nugent
artursteppe Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 ...............Schmichael.............. Peltier St Ledger Mills Masilela ................. Abe........................ ...Danns.............Wellens......... ..............Gallagher................... .........Nugent....Vassell............ Bench- weale, bamba, dyer, king, schlupp, oakley, waghorn Diamond Formation Best guess so far, no doubt, with the players we have at the moment. However I think Sven may go 4-4-2 this season, he prefers it apparently, so midfield would be:- Danns, Abe, Wellens, Gallagher.
artursteppe Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 I just don't think we can afford to play King, Wellens and Gallagher with two strikers. I said it all last season, too lightweight. The best role for King and Gallagher, is the same one, furthest forward midfielder. Gallagher is not as effective as a wide man and Kingy will never be able to tackle whilst he has a whole in his arse. If Sven reverts to his favoured 4-4-2 system we could be ok without a true defensive midfield player using Danns ( who can play wide ), Abe and Wellens, because all three have some defensive capability, but can also play going forward, which would mean Gally could still be used wide on the left, or sat in behind the front two in a 4-3-1-2 formation. King would replace Gallagher from time to time.
Darkon84 Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 ...............Schmichael.............. Peltier St Ledger Mills Masilela ................. Abe........................ ...Danns.............Wellens......... ..............Gallagher................... .........Nugent....Vassell............ Bench- weale, bamba, dyer, king, schlupp, oakley, waghorn Diamond Formation I like it. Vass up top rather than out wide wuld ork well with Nugent, in my opinion
drc Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 In training today it looked like Sven played what is current starting eleven against the weaker side. Abe was in the weaker side, Bamba in the stronger side, Vassel was in the stronger side, Waghorn was in the weaker sida. King, Gallagher. Wellens, Smeichel,Peltier etc was int the stornger side. I couldn't really spot every player maybe because I was confused because it looked like a trainer was involved in on f the teams and maybe I have problem recognising the likes of S:t ledger and a few others. I couldn't spot Michael Ball but maybe I just couldn't see him.
GianEmmo Zola Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 Vassell is more affective through the middle as we seen against donny last year ripped them apart! Just prefer gally in the whole instead of king. Think he would just have more impact Think if sven goes for this formation thats his best option as his front two. But we still need better options instead of waggy (future) schlupp (future) and howard and yann. Would love le fondre or maynard. Bit of pace up top along side nugent. Another option instead of vassell
Haydos Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 I just don't think we can afford to play King, Wellens and Gallagher with two strikers. I said it all last season, too lightweight. The best role for King and Gallagher, is the same one, furthest forward midfielder. Gallagher is not as effective as a wide man and Kingy will never be able to tackle whilst he has a whole in his arse. If Sven reverts to his favoured 4-4-2 system we could be ok without a true defensive midfield player using Danns ( who can play wide ), Abe and Wellens, because all three have some defensive capability, but can also play going forward, which would mean Gally could still be used wide on the left, or sat in behind the front two in a 4-3-1-2 formation. King would replace Gallagher from time to time. I would be very surprised if King was as effective higher up the pitch. So many of his goals came from late arrivals in the box and a lot from first touches. I'm not sure what you're basing him being better further forward on. I really think Abe is unnecessary against teams with weaker/less organised midfields.
manfromuncles Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 Why not play Gallagher, Nugent, Vassell, Waghorn, Schlupp, King Wellens Danns Mills Tunchev Schmeichel. Who needs defenders? ULTRA ATTACK!!!!!!! Why not play Gallagher, Nugent, Vassell, Waghorn, Schlupp, King Wellens Danns Mills Tunchev Schmeichel. Who needs defenders? ULTRA ATTACK!!!!!!! I was joking BY THE WAY....
artursteppe Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 I would be very surprised if King was as effective higher up the pitch. So many of his goals came from late arrivals in the box and a lot from first touches. I'm not sure what you're basing him being better further forward on. I really think Abe is unnecessary against teams with weaker/less organised midfields. I keep reading this about King coming from deep to hit the front and score, as though he'd sprinted 70 yards to do it. Almost every run he made into the box was from a position in front of all the other midfield players. Last season he was almost always further forward than Wellens, Abe and Oakley, except possibly when defending corners. I don't know what some people see at our matches, or maybe it is me, maybe he started all his runs from behind Yuki Abe whilst standing next to Weale.
marbelladave Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 I just don't think we can afford to play King, Wellens and Gallagher with two strikers. I said it all last season, too lightweight. The best role for King and Gallagher, is the same one, furthest forward midfielder. Gallagher is not as effective as a wide man and Kingy will never be able to tackle whilst he has a whole in his arse. If Sven reverts to his favoured 4-4-2 system we could be ok without a true defensive midfield player using Danns ( who can play wide ), Abe and Wellens, because all three have some defensive capability, but can also play going forward, which would mean Gally could still be used wide on the left, or sat in behind the front two in a 4-3-1-2 formation. King would replace Gallagher from time to time. We will soon see, first game tomorrow..... Mills presumeably will not play and Masilela has yet to arrive, still some interesting pointers to be taken from the lineups.... Who will play left center back and will Berner or Ball start at fullback? Given the (reported) interest in Konchesky is this the end for Ball or is Masilela earmarked for left midfield? With the arrival of Danns, who is set to miss out in center midfield? If we pick up a wide player or two will we switch to 4-4-fooking-2? Will Vassell get a chance down the middle? He was excellent there at the begining of the year before Yakubu arrived, personally I think he would do fine leading the attack but as we all know, Sven is looking elsewhere.... Less than 4 weeks to go, I have to admit I do not have a clue what Sven has in mind for midfield and attack, not expecting too many answers from the opening games but we might get some insight into the way Sven is seeing things. Fortunately I think the back 5 is shaping up nicely in terms of personel, some good players and a few options too, just about finding the best combination now.... BTW> Any coverage of the games anywhere?
Haydos Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 I keep reading this about King coming from deep to hit the front and score, as though he'd sprinted 70 yards to do it. Almost every run he made into the box was from a position in front of all the other midfield players. Last season he was almost always further forward than Wellens, Abe and Oakley, except possibly when defending corners. I don't know what some people see at our matches, or maybe it is me, maybe he started all his runs from behind Yuki Abe whilst standing next to Weale. As part of a midfield 3 though. He was never an outlet, a target man to which you concentrate your attacks like a real attacking midfielder or 'in the hole' player is. I'm not by any means saying that he was a deep midfielder, only that he played his role and I didn't ever see him as an attacking midfielder. Receiving the ball from the back, giving a short pass in the middle of the park (not particularly advanced) then getting on his bike with the aim to receive the final ball was what I saw a lot of. I'm not sure what others think because you think it's awkward to fit them in and I clearly rate him as an integral part of the team.
marbelladave Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 I keep reading this about King coming from deep to hit the front and score, as though he'd sprinted 70 yards to do it. Almost every run he made into the box was from a position in front of all the other midfield players. Last season he was almost always further forward than Wellens, Abe and Oakley, except possibly when defending corners. I don't know what some people see at our matches, or maybe it is me, maybe he started all his runs from behind Yuki Abe whilst standing next to Weale. You are right, more or less.... But sort of missing the point.... Last season King was deployed well forward, no one is disputing that. What some people (myself included) are suggesting is that this is neither his best nor his most effective position. The logic runs like this, King is at his most effective arriving late and at pace, he is difficult to pick up and his finishing really is very, very good. The suggestion is that these runs are best made from a deep position. When pushed into more forward positions he is easier to mark and is not then moving at pace, a much less dangerous proposition Secondly King is not a 'creative' midfielder, he does not have the passing skills to unlock a set defense, neither does he create by driving forward with the ball at his feet. Although he rarely scores Wellens is much more likely to unlock a defence than King when we have possesion and the defense is set. Thirdly, as an attacking midfielder King would be required to do his defensive work in central areas, but this is exacrly the area where his game is at it's weakest, his lack of combativeness and sheer physical presence is the reason he often appears to 'go missing' in some games. Deployed as one of two players in front of the back 4 he would still make his forward runs, (from deep obviously) and do his defensive work in and around our box where he is outstanding in all respects.
Wonk_V71 Posted 12 July 2011 Posted 12 July 2011 Kasper Peltier Bamba Mills Masilela Abe Danns Wellens King Vassell Nugent Abe is a must for me and I think Gally and St Ledger will be pushing this team hard for a starting place. I'm also hoping Schlupp will get a small opportunity to show us what he is all about. The rest will be there to provide some quality back up.
Guest shearfox Posted 12 July 2011 Posted 12 July 2011 Kasper Peltier --- Vitor --- Mills --- Konchesky Danns --- Wellens --- king Nugent --- Maynard --- Routledge
Corky Posted 12 July 2011 Posted 12 July 2011 Schmeichel Peltier St Ledger Mills Konchesky Wellens King Danns Vassell Nugent Gallagher
TheUltimateWinner Posted 12 July 2011 Posted 12 July 2011 After Today Schmiechel Peltier St Ledger Mills Konchesky Wellens King Danns Kermorgant Nugent Gallagher
absolutelegend Posted 13 July 2011 Author Posted 13 July 2011 Schmeichel Peltier St Ledger Mills Konchesky Wellens King Danns Vassell Nugent Gallagher Agree - except I'd have Bamba in for St. Ledger
Fox92 Posted 13 July 2011 Posted 13 July 2011 Currently I'd like to see: Schmeichel Peltier -- St Ledger -- Mills -- Konchesky Abe -- Wellens -- Danns Vassell -- Nugent -- Gallagher Its a real toss between whether Abe or King should start. I've just given Abe the nod though because he'll get stuck in more and get in the oppositions faces. And IF we sign a striker, I'd like to see Vassell -- striker -- Nugent. Or, IF we sign a winger, then I'd have to go with Vassell -- Nugent -- winger. Its good that we've got hard decisions to make though. This shows how good the squad is becoming, and we've got a good depth.
sdb Posted 13 July 2011 Posted 13 July 2011 I really don't think Vassell is good enough to start personally. Hope we get Routledge to replace him.
Fox92 Posted 13 July 2011 Posted 13 July 2011 I really don't think Vassell is good enough to start personally. Hope we get Routledge to replace him. Really? I thought he has been the most consistant player since signing. I can't remember him putting a foot wrong. If we were to sign Routledge, I'd like to see Gallagher dropped.
marbelladave Posted 13 July 2011 Posted 13 July 2011 After last nights game it is pretty clear that, on thursday, against strong opposition, sven will pick his best available side. So I expect to see something like... Schmeichel Peltier--Bamba--St Ledger--KoncheskyDanns--Wellens--KingNugent--Vassell--Gallagher Mils and Tunchev are not fit so Konchesky probably plays though he might not be ready. No idea where is is in terms of fitness. Not at all sure who will play where though, which center back will play on which side, who will play what role in midfield and who will lead the line/ :dunno:
superlesterfan Posted 13 July 2011 Posted 13 July 2011 At the minute IMO the team should be Vassell Nugent Gallagher Danns King Wellens Konchesky Mills Sean St. Ledger Peltier Schmeical :sge:
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