Guest Col city fan Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 Far from the whole story! Yes we scored a fair few goals last season but they were mostly at home and mostly against poorer sides. When it came to the crunch we failed consistently against the better sides, even with ace goal poacher Yakubu in our side. Ultimately it was these poor performances in the last couple of months of the season that cost that cost us a chance of the playoffs. It could not have been more clear, effective when we were able to bully the poorer sides, totally ineffective when we be came up against better sides. Quite obvious really. I have been suggesting that Gallagher be tried in the central 'playmaker' role for a long, long time and now, with Fernandez and King/Abe behind him to do the dirty work, this might just be the right time. I don't think anyone (apart from Thracian in his more whimsical moments) is suggesting all out attack all of the time. The point is quite simply that if we are going to beat the better sides consistently then we need to be much more agressive in our attacking play than has been the case for sometime. Sure there will be times when we need to slow things down and defend strongly, that's a given but I do not want to see the pattern of last season repeated this. Saturday's game was a prime example, we gained total control of the game by the start of the second half and took the lead early on. Coventry were in disarray but we made no serious attempt to get a second, in fact we pretty much shut up shop. Last season, had this happened, our shonky defence would have conceded the equaliser during Coventry's rally towards the end and this time around, despite our much improved defense I am concerned that against the better sides it will still happen Last season, had this happened, our shonky defence would have conceded the equaliser during Coventry's rally towards the end and this time around, despite our much improved defense I am concerned that against the better sides it will still happen Exactly.... Cov never looked like scoring at all.... We didnt need to get a second one, although, as it appens... we nearly did on two occasions when King should have scored and Danns nearly got his studs on a cross...... Your concern is based upon what? We have a nearly new squad of players, a better defence, a super goalie etc.. why don't you make these comments after a few games in, and stop surmising..cos at the moment that's all your doing?
Babylon Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 Far from the whole story! Yes we scored a fair few goals last season but they were mostly at home and mostly against poorer sides. When it came to the crunch we failed consistently against the better sides, even with ace goal poacher Yakubu in our side. Ultimately it was these poor performances in the last couple of months of the season that cost that cost us a chance of the playoffs. It could not have been more clear, effective when we were able to bully the poorer sides, totally ineffective when we be came up against better sides. Quite obvious really. We scored 3 at Norwich and lost, scored 2 against Norwich at home and lost, scored 2 against Leeds at home and drew, scored 2 at Forest and lost. Scored 2 at Watford and lost, scored 3 against boro and drew... and against lower teams scored 2 at Palace and lost, Scored 2 at Sheffield United and drew. We scored against teams all around the league and got poor results because of goals against. We got bullied against the likes of QPR at home and Cardiff away, and Swansea passed us to death. Those games we struggled because our midfield was weak and lost of the battle. That's exactly why he has added steel and energy this year in the middle. We could only set up one way last year because we had no options, this year we have a team potentially capable of turning those games where we will are losing the midfield battle. Yes we need that attacking threat to add to the mix in those games, the something out of nothing player, but we all know we are still trying to bring that in.
Guest Col city fan Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 We scored 3 at Norwich and lost, scored 2 against Norwich at home and lost, scored 2 against Leeds at home and drew, scored 2 at Forest and lost. Scored 2 at Watford and lost, scored 3 against boro and drew... and against lower teams scored 2 at Palace and lost, Scored 2 at Sheffield United and drew. We scored against teams all around the league and got poor results because of goals against. We got bullied against the likes of QPR at home and Cardiff away, and Swansea passed us to death. Those games we struggled because our midfield was weak and lost of the battle. That's exactly why he has added steel and energy this year in the middle. We could only set up one way last year because we had no options, this year we have a team potentially capable of turning those games where we will are losing the midfield battle. Yes we need that attacking threat to add to the mix in those games, the something out of nothing player, but we all know we are still trying to bring that in. This.....
CountesthorpeFox Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 a) I didn't vote for Wellens as player of the season because the bloke virtually opts out when it came to shooting and we need people to score from central midfield. b) People votd for Blair and Brown but i didn't make em right. c) Act of intelligence, act of cynicism, calculated gamesmanship? Excuse it how you like. I don't like to see it from us or anyone else. But just because others do it doesn't mean we have to set our standards by them. a) Thats fine as I said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I was just making the point that he was voted player of the season, so, the majority of Leicester fans consider him our best player last season, well by majority I mean he received the highest proportion of the votes. b) Completely disagree. Well, regarding Blair. He was voted in fair and square. What he did past that point while in power is down to opinion but to say that it wasn't right that he took power, really? i assume you mean his actions post-being-elected, which is all well and good in hindsight, unfortunately voters at the time didn't have 8 years of hindsight available. Shame ay? The deomcratic system voted him in and thats how it works. Anyway, this ain't politics. c) As I said, I wish it didnt exist. I don't like to see it. What I dont want to see though is our players upholding values for the sake of it while teams around us flaunt gamesmanship to get one up on us. I'd love it if things like that didnt happen. My argument is if we do apply a stringent set of morals and values to our game it would put us at a disadvantage. The most successful english club of the past two decades is probably the worst at surrounding the referee and complaining about officials. Again, not a nice thing to have around but I just dont think its a realisitic approach to take the moral high ground. Again though, I respect your opinion. Plus in response to the other poster defending your opinions and posts, I never come on here aiming to start some kind of personal battle with anotehr poster just that you directly responded to my post using the phrases like "I didn't" as if I were accusing you individually of holding all the opinions I was against in my original post. if my original post seemed to directly contradict some of your content previously posted on the thread I apologise as it was never meant that way.
marbelladave Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 Last season, had this happened, our shonky defence would have conceded the equaliser during Coventry's rally towards the end and this time around, despite our much improved defense I am concerned that against the better sides it will still happen Exactly.... Cov never looked like scoring at all.... We didnt need to get a second one, although, as it appens... we nearly did on two occasions when King should have scored and Danns nearly got his studs on a cross...... Your concern is based upon what? We have a nearly new squad of players, a better defence, a super goalie etc.. why don't you make these comments after a few games in, and stop surmising..cos at the moment that's all your doing? I disagree slightly, Coventry did put us under pressure in the last 10 minutes and better teams will do that better, I think my point stands. I have said a fair few times in the last few days that it is virtually a new team and it is only one game and a tense local derby at that, so yes this is mostly surmise. What is clearly not is the way we went completely negative after going in front, this happened consistently last season and happened again on saturday. This is my primary concern as it is mostly about tactics and attitude and despite all the new players they do not seem to have changed. Hopefully they will. We scored 3 at Norwich and lost, scored 2 against Norwich at home and lost, scored 2 against Leeds at home and drew, scored 2 at Forest and lost. Scored 2 at Watford and lost, scored 3 against boro and drew... and against lower teams scored 2 at Palace and lost, Scored 2 at Sheffield United and drew. We scored against teams all around the league and got poor results because of goals against. We got bullied against the likes of QPR at home and Cardiff away, and Swansea passed us to death. Those games we struggled because our midfield was weak and lost of the battle. That's exactly why he has added steel and energy this year in the middle. We could only set up one way last year because we had no options, this year we have a team potentially capable of turning those games where we will are losing the midfield battle. Yes we need that attacking threat to add to the mix in those games, the something out of nothing player, but we all know we are still trying to bring that in. Fair comment but it is the games against QPR, Cardiff, Swansea plus those at Portsmouth, Ipswich and others that really stick in the memory.... Last season our midfield was weak and found it difficult to cope with the better and the more physical sides so Sven has rightly strengthened that area, Danns is a decent enough player but not the game changing creative force we need and Johnson is still a big unknown, Fernandez though looks real class, the question is where does he play, he looks capable of playing anywhere, pretty awesome. I am not totally sure that we lack the "something out of nothing player" that you mention, maybe we do but I am concerned that, as I said above, this is a problem with our tactics and attitude rather than individual players
marbelladave Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 c) As I said, I wish it didnt exist. I don't like to see it. What I dont want to see though is our players upholding values for the sake of it while teams around us flaunt gamesmanship to get one up on us. I'd love it if things like that didnt happen. My argument is if we do apply a stringent set of morals and values to our game it would put us at a disadvantage. The most successful english club of the past two decades is probably the worst at surrounding the referee and complaining about officials. Again, not a nice thing to have around but I just dont think its a realisitic approach to take the moral high ground. Again though, I respect your opinion. Sad to say you are quite correct in what you say, modern football is what it is and we all have to live with it or go and watch the egg chasers. What I do find difficult to take is 'glorification' of these tactics, personally I saw and accept that what Wellens (and hundreds of players do every week) did to ensure that Baker got his marching orders is an integral pard of modern football and I have not criticised Wellens for doing what he did. Don't have to like it though.....
RumbleFox Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 Ha ha, this is all ridiculous as we were a player down after 10 minutes and they were by half time. If we play the same way with a full squad then I may have more time for your concerns. X
Corky Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 The sending-off clearly affected us on Saturday, I've no doubt with 11 on the pitch (especially against Coventry's ten) we'd have been far more proactive and looking for more goals. I just think it was one of those games where you take the points and move on. Sven will have learnt things and will no doubt work on them before next week. Already though I see a more solid team who know their positions and roles in the team.
shen Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 The goalscorers, King and Gallagher weren't playing til the end. It was the non-goalscorers Wellens and Abe who got the nod. QED really. And I saw very little willingness to run and create chances. It all stopped - and pretty emphatically - 30 yards out. As for King scoring as many as last season, I doubt he'll get the chance and I wouldn't expect too many from all the others you mentioned either, and certainly not Wellens and Abe. They have their strengths but goalscoring doesn't seem to be one of them. Goodness man! How many premature conclusions can you make from ONE game?! Why would you not think King will get chances? He's one of our most important players and very much coveted by Sven. He scored quite a few under him last season don't you think? Besides, I did say 'a couple from each' of the midfielders. That's not unreasonable. Last season Wellens got four, Oakley two, Abe one. A couple seems spot on I'd say! This doesn't even include 8-goal man Danns, 2-goal man Fernandes and Johnson, who's a bit of a mystery yet.
marbelladave Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 Ha ha, this is all ridiculous as we were a player down after 10 minutes and they were by half time. If we play the same way with a full squad then I may have more time for your concerns. X Would agree with you entirely if this was a one off, but it isn't. We put out a pretty strong side, full of good new players, but we still reverted to type and went completely negative after we scored despite having Coventry at our mercy. It is this continuation of the failed tactics of last season that bothers me.
RumbleFox Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 Would agree with you entirely if this was a one off, but it isn't. We put out a pretty strong side, full of good new players, but we still reverted to type and went completely negative after we scored despite having Coventry at our mercy. It is this continuation of the failed tactics of last season that bothers me. Yes it is a one off with the current team that we have as it is the first game.
marbelladave Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 Yes it is a one off with the current team that we have as it is the first game. I genuinely hope you are right..... However this attitude and these tactics have been an integral part of our play for a long time, since NFP in fact and I just see no sign that they are going to be changed anytime soon. Still, I am quite realistic and it is very early days so hopefully we will move forward. With Fernamdez I think we have obtained an absolute monster to boss our midfield, maybe it is just a question of picking the right players to play with him..... Hope so anyway...
CountesthorpeFox Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 Sad to say you are quite correct in what you say, modern football is what it is and we all have to live with it or go and watch the egg chasers. What I do find difficult to take is 'glorification' of these tactics, personally I saw and accept that what Wellens (and hundreds of players do every week) did to ensure that Baker got his marching orders is an integral pard of modern football and I have not criticised Wellens for doing what he did. Don't have to like it though..... Agreed. Maybe I went o.t.t. when I said it was an act of intelligence but I think you get my point.
Guest Col city fan Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 I genuinely hope you are right..... However this attitude and these tactics have been an integral part of our play for a long time, since NFP in fact and I just see no sign that they are going to be changed anytime soon. Still, I am quite realistic and it is very early days so hopefully we will move forward. With Fernamdez I think we have obtained an absolute monster to boss our midfield, maybe it is just a question of picking the right players to play with him..... Hope so anyway... Dave Dave Dave!!!! this is a new squad and a new season..we won!! away at Cov for the first time................ give it a few games matey and then lets see!!! You could be right, you could be wrong............. give it time Dave! I've said we won't really know whether we are gonna challenge till Christmas... and I stick with that
marbelladave Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 Dave Dave Dave!!!! this is a new squad and a new season..we won!! away at Cov for the first time................ give it a few games matey and then lets see!!! You could be right, you could be wrong............. give it time Dave! I've said we won't really know whether we are gonna challenge till Christmas... and I stick with that Fair enough, but I've never been one to wait..... That said I think it will be tough to get into the top 2, really need to get it right as soon as possible, still as you say great start, result wise anyway... For what it is worth I have just watched (full game in real time) Championship favourites West Ham totally dominate Cardiff and lose to an injury time strike. Though clearly the better side, they did not create enough in the way of clear cut chances, the sharp chances they did make were well defended and then some sloppy defending let Cardiff in for all 3 points. Nightmare scenario, and a bit too close to home for my liking......
Guest Col city fan Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 Fair enough, but I've never been one to wait..... That said I think it will be tough to get into the top 2, really need to get it right as soon as possible, still as you say great start, result wise anyway... For what it is worth I have just watched (full game in real time) Championship favourites West Ham totally dominate Cardiff and lose to an injury time strike. Though clearly the better side, they did not create enough in the way of clear cut chances, the sharp chances they did make were well defended and then some sloppy defending let Cardiff in for all 3 points. Nightmare scenario, and a bit too close to home for my liking...... lets have this conversation in a few weeks Dave.... I'm with you actually... I dont think we'll score enough but I dont think we'll concede many.. Don't be an im patient man... lets just see
marbelladave Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 lets have this conversation in a few weeks Dave.... I'm with you actually... I dont think we'll score enough but I dont think we'll concede many.. Don't be an im patient man... lets just see Do you have any Vallium......
Thracian Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 Thrac I agree it wasn't entertaining. Palace away last year was. How many points did we earn from that game? Three fewer than from yesterdays. Not every game will be thrilling. We'll have a few that are dull and uninspiring. But we should still have plenty that are very entertaining. We scored a lot of goals last season. We also let in far too many, mostly away from home. We can play better for sure, we will play better. But we've got three points on the board and a clean sheet. I've not disagreed at all with strengthening our defence. We all know how badly it needed improving so it could be struck from the list of registered charities. But I don't agree with strengthening it in such a way as to virtually obliterate our attack. And this was really no different when it was 10 v 10 to what it was when we were 10 v 11. Once we'd scored, and even before on a few occasions, our odd forward players were literally turning round and running back towards midfield because they had absolutely no support and no-one intending to support. It really couldn't have been more dour and unadventurous. It worked because Coventry were awful and our defence, minus the mistakes of last season, made em look worse. I don't believe for one moment that we'll go down or even have a lousy season. But I do believe that, just like last season, we'll miss out on a automatic promotion place through failing commit ourselves fully - defence and attack - to every game, . Promotion will go to teams whose players show themselves prepared to attack and defend in numbers and to those who show the imagination and movement to unlock organised defences such as ours. We don't just lack marksmen, extraordinary though that is, but we lack for pace, movement and the determination necessary to get in the box. Why we fail to recognise these things as a club or to do anything about them mystifies me. Cos one new forward won't be enough to right matters.
sbfox Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 I've not disagreed at all with strengthening our defence. We all know how badly it needed improving so it could be struck from the list of registered charities. But I don't agree with strengthening it in such a way as to virtually obliterate our attack. And this was really no different when it was 10 v 10 to what it was when we were 10 v 11. Once we'd scored, and even before on a few occasions, our odd forward players were literally turning round and running back towards midfield because they had absolutely no support and no-one intending to support. It really couldn't have been more dour and unadventurous. It worked because Coventry were awful and our defence, minus the mistakes of last season, made em look worse. I don't believe for one moment that we'll go down or even have a lousy season. But I do believe that, just like last season, we'll miss out on a automatic promotion place through failing commit ourselves fully - defence and attack - to every game, . Promotion will go to teams whose players show themselves prepared to attack and defend in numbers and to those who show the imagination and movement to unlock organised defences such as ours. We don't just lack marksmen, extraordinary though that is, but we lack for pace, movement and the determination necessary to get in the box. Why we fail to recognise these things as a club or to do anything about them mystifies me. Cos one new forward won't be enough to right matters. Probably because you're the only one pessimistic to believe that 1 performance, in which we were reduced to 10 men early on, is representative of our season to come... Though I wasn't at the game, I fail to believe that Nugent got within 30 yards of goal, then turned around and ran back towards our own goal. This sounds like BS. Do you not see that once you've had a player sent off, you can't go pressing on, simply because players will get tired so much quicker because there is more turf to cover. Its not hard. Saturday was not representative of how we will play...
CountesthorpeFox Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 I've not disagreed at all with strengthening our defence. We all know how badly it needed improving so it could be struck from the list of registered charities. But I don't agree with strengthening it in such a way as to virtually obliterate our attack. And this was really no different when it was 10 v 10 to what it was when we were 10 v 11. Once we'd scored, and even before on a few occasions, our odd forward players were literally turning round and running back towards midfield because they had absolutely no support and no-one intending to support. It really couldn't have been more dour and unadventurous. It worked because Coventry were awful and our defence, minus the mistakes of last season, made em look worse. I don't believe for one moment that we'll go down or even have a lousy season. But I do believe that, just like last season, we'll miss out on a automatic promotion place through failing commit ourselves fully - defence and attack - to every game, . Promotion will go to teams whose players show themselves prepared to attack and defend in numbers and to those who show the imagination and movement to unlock organised defences such as ours. We don't just lack marksmen, extraordinary though that is, but we lack for pace, movement and the determination necessary to get in the box. Why we fail to recognise these things as a club or to do anything about them mystifies me. Cos one new forward won't be enough to right matters. Would you say that QPR fully commited themselves to attack?
Earlydoorsjones Posted 9 August 2011 Posted 9 August 2011 Well obviously. Fernandes was our best player............ Fernandes was peerless on the pitch on Saturday. I'm putting £10 on Fernandes being player of the season. Quality.
Wherethefoxhat? Posted 9 August 2011 Author Posted 9 August 2011 Fernandes was peerless on the pitch on Saturday. I'm putting £10 on Fernandes being player of the season. Quality. ......and you haven't even seen Michael Johnson yet !
Wherethefoxhat? Posted 17 August 2011 Author Posted 17 August 2011 Hold your head high again Richie !
accessory Posted 17 August 2011 Posted 17 August 2011 Yep, two inspirational and successful performances at the King Power so far...
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