davieG Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Following on from the Capital Punishment topic and the riots......... The treatment of inmates at Wandsworth Prison in London was "demeaning, unsafe and fell below what could be classed as decent", a report says. Chief inspector of prisons Nick Hardwick said he "did not detect sufficient willingness" in the prison to acknowledge and address concerns. The report says conditions were significantly worse than in June 2009. The National Offender Management Service said a "robust action plan" was in place. Mr Hardwick's report followed an unannounced inspection of the prison between 28 February and 4 March which was undertaken because a previous inspection - in June 2009 - had been marred by an attempt to subvert the process by moving "difficult" prisoners between Wandsworth and Pentonville so that they were not present in either prison during the inspection. Written on behalf of Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Prisons for England and Wales, the report says prisoner safety was now a "matter of serious concern". The report's key findings include: The level of self-harm and self-inflicted deaths was high. Typically there were about 32 incidents of self-harm each month, and between January 2010 and the inspection in February 2011 there had been 11 deaths in custody, of which four were apparently self-inflicted At best prisoners were locked in their cells for 16.5 hours a day; at worst they were locked up for 22 hours a day Poor staff/prisoner relationships; a lack of a predictable regime and insufficient activity all contributed to feelings of isolation and alienation that might have led to self-harming behaviour Prisoners with specific individual needs were particularly disadvantaged. One prisoner with a disability who had been remanded for three months told inspectors he hadn't had a shower in that time Provision for foreign national prisoners was poor, some being held beyond their sentence - one for three years Black and minority ethnic prisoners were disadvantaged in significant areas of the prison However, the report did acknowledge that the prison had good training opportunities and some good resettlement services. General and mental health services fared well, and there were few complaints about the food. Reduce re-offendingThe report has been greeted with dismay by prison campaigners. Howard League for Penal Reform chief executive Frances Crook said: "Such abuse hampers safe return to the community and puts victims at risk. "If Wandsworth Prison is unable to offer basic facilities such as a shower each day, how much rehabilitation and work to reduce re-offending do we think is going on?" National Offender Management Service chief executive Michael Spurr acknowledged the poor report, but said a "robust action plan is in place to address the recommendations in the report and managers and staff at the prison are in no doubt that they must improve performance."
Len Finsbury Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 And no HD tv too, I bet. Ask them if their victims feel safe. You reap what you sow. Sorry, but I have no time for holiday camp complaints and am a firm believer in 'hard time'.
Nick Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Does the above sound like a holiday camp? Does it sound like a place where people can be released from with real opportunities to turn their life around? If not, it facilitates two things - protecting the public and punishment of sorts. I, like Mr. Hardwick, would like to expect something more from a prison establishment.
Zingari Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 it doesn't sound like a holiday camp to me but it does sound like most residential care homes, so i think when i need looking after i'll join the looters and get a free ride there rather than having to pay for shitty treatment
Guest MattP Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 it doesn't sound like a holiday camp to me but it does sound like most residential care homes, so i think when i need looking after i'll join the looters and get a free ride there rather than having to pay for shitty treatment Took the words out of my mouth......
acooling08 Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Prisons aren't nice? Tough shit, you shouldn't have broken the law.
Daggers Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Does it sound like a place where people can be released from with real opportunities to turn their life around? People have real opportunities to turn their life around before they go into prison. I'm not convinced in the slightest that prisons shouldn't be very harsh places. The seesaw has gone far to over to the side of rehabilitation and away from punishment. I grant you that there are few real resources over on that side of the seesaw in order to do it effectively but I'd like to see actual suffering when people are sent down. The argument that they suffer from loss of liberty doesn't float with me, I do not believe they do. People like me would suffer - I'd miss my loving family, my bikes, my chickens but I'm not the one committing crime, it's a deterrent for me. Also, considering the volume of offences most have to commit in order to be incarcerated, I feel they have had their crack at the rehab stick. The worst thing is the knowledge that this opinion is probably shared by a volume of idiots on my ignore list.
Nick Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 People have real opportunities to turn their life around before they go into prison. I'm not convinced in the slightest that prisons shouldn't be very harsh places. The seesaw has gone far to over to the side of rehabilitation and away from punishment. I grant you that there are few real resources over on that side of the seesaw in order to do it effectively but I'd like to see actual suffering when people are sent down. The argument that they suffer from loss of liberty doesn't float with me, I do not believe they do. People like me would suffer - I'd miss my loving family, my bikes, my chickens but I'm not the one committing crime, it's a deterrent for me. Also, considering the volume of offences most have to commit in order to be incarcerated, I feel they have had their crack at the rehab stick. The worst thing is the knowledge that this opinion is probably shared by a volume of idiots on my ignore list. Absolutely. You need to get out more. I suggest you start tomorrow night.
Alexikokopops Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Haven't looked at this thread I think I might just avoid it. It's going to be a horror show isn't it?
m00nie Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Does the above sound like a holiday camp? Does it sound like a place where people can be released from with real opportunities to turn their life around? If not, it facilitates two things - protecting the public and punishment of sorts. I, like Mr. Hardwick, would like to expect something more from a prison establishment. the report is way ott.. the prisonsers have it easy.. 3 meals a day.. tv in there cell.. free elctricity.. use of a gym.. education.. etc if they want to turn there life around then they need to make the start INSIDE. there are plenty of oppurtunitres for them but most just have an attitude in there still and dont want to change...
Nick Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 the report is way ott.. the prisonsers have it easy.. 3 meals a day.. tv in there cell.. free elctricity.. use of a gym.. education.. etc if they want to turn there life around then they need to make the start INSIDE. there are plenty of oppurtunitres for them but most just have an attitude in there still and dont want to change... Have you ever personally been inside a Cat A prison mate? If so which one? Haven't looked at this thread I think I might just avoid it. It's going to be a horror show isn't it? Yes.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 I imagine the prisoners are self harming and killing themselves out of pure joy at their surroundings. If that's not a sign of how cushy it is being in prison, I don't know what is
m00nie Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Have you ever personally been inside a Cat A prison mate? If so which one? Yes. CAT A ??? isnt wandswort a CAT B.. same as leicester..
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Why treat sub-humans, who commit vile crimes, with kid gloves. Little wonder that violent crime is rife in this country. with namby pamby cranks, wanting to give the bastards "Another chance" Cobblers, make their life as unpleasant as possible and give their victims, or victims family, something to be grateful for.
Guest MattP Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 I imagine the prisoners are self harming and killing themselves out of pure joy at their surroundings. If that's not a sign of how cushy it is being in prison, I don't know what is More repeat offenders kill themselves outside than in. Maybe we should jazz it up a bit for us all on the outside.
Nick Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 CAT A ??? isnt wandswort a CAT B.. same as leicester.. Yes Wandsworth is a Cat B. My question still stands.
Webbo Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 **** em. If you can't do the time don't do the crime.
Narborough Bod Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 As daggers says, DETERRENT. For all of the differing opinions on here, I bet this would act as a crime deterrent to us all. Job done.
FazzaF Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Why do the time if you can't pay for the crime Make all prisons like death camps. Crime will drop like leave's in spring
m00nie Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Yes Wandsworth is a Cat B. My question still stands. well a cat b yes.. leicester..
Zingari Posted 11 August 2011 Posted 11 August 2011 Why do the time if you can't pay for the crime Make all prisons like death camps. Crime will drop like leave's in spring what's happened to the climate ? leaves dropped in the autumn last time i looked out of the window
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