Fine Refs

[blueredswed]

Interesting point in the Forest Highlights thread.

After the first goal, a Forest defender kicks the ball into the crowd in frustration. Yellow card? Nah, of course not.

This is a good refree.....post

Get him ot off the pitch during 2011-2053

[Larry_LCFC]

The ref was a willy puller pure and simple. Hadnt a clue what he was doing. If thats a penality then we should be seeing about 25 pennos a game.Both of Kaspers bookings were an absolute joke. The second one all he did was throw the ball out.

[Manwell Pablo]

I'm the only one who thinks Mills clearly controls the ball with his hand and Kasper only has himself to blame then?

[Daggers]

Can you please explain to me at what point in my above post was I whinging about a referee, i was just stating an opinion that would maybe clear some cloudy incidents in matches up and would maybe get the referees more credit and less blame if the supporters can understand their reasoning for decisions. No need for that language really is there?

I'm referring to all of you in all the concurrent Ref whinging threads.

[Larry_LCFC]

I'm the only one who thinks Mills clearly controls the ball with his hand and Kasper only has himself to blame then?

Thats ridiculous. Mills clearly puts his hand down to steady himself and the ball goes through his leg and hits his hand by accident. As for Kasper, he clearly had his back to the first yellow and I accept he probably didnt see it.

[Guest Col city fan]

I'm the only one who thinks Mills clearly controls the ball with his hand and Kasper only has himself to blame then?

Yep pretty much...

[stockyfox]

Referees are the modern day ‘Untouchables’.

They can do and say what they like in the knowledge that thepowers that be will always back them to the hilt.

And if anyone dares to criticise them or question theirdecisions, they are accused of bringing the game into disrepute.

Which is why Sven had to choose his words carefully and Kasper S. refused to comment when interviewed after the game.

[Daggers]

This was a civil thread until you came on with your swearing and attitude, so why the bad temper if it is only a game fool

Fvck off and whine to someone who gives a fvck.

[Manwell Pablo]

Thats ridiculous. Mills clearly puts his hand down to steady himself and the ball goes through his leg and hits his hand by accident. As for Kasper, he clearly had his back to the first yellow and I accept he probably didnt see it.

Mills decision is debatable looks to be unintentional, whether he means it or not he controls the ball with his hand and he could quite easily steady himself without putting his hand smack in the trajectory off the ball, Can't argue with Kasper sending off whether he saw it or not getting booked for time wasting twice in 2 minutes is stupid and he deserved both of them, you can argue about consistancy but either way its besides the point and you can clearly see Kaspers intention was to waste time where as the forest defender booting it in frustration (obviously why would he be wasting time after 18 minutes and 1-o down).

Either way neither decision warrants the absloutley ridiculous and childish over reaction on here.

[blueredswed]

Thats ridiculous. Mills clearly puts his hand down to steady himself and the ball goes through his leg and hits his hand by accident. As for Kasper, he clearly had his back to the first yellow and I accept he probably didnt see it.

As I seeing on television here in Sweden it was not a penalty! If you are on your way down and hands.... and the ball who can controll this? A magicer! Sesam...open

[Kitchandro]

Mills decision is debatable looks to be unintentional, whether he means it or not he controls the ball with his hand and he could quite easily steady himself without putting his hand smack in the trajectory off the ball, Can't argue with Kasper sending off whether he saw it or not getting booked for time wasting twice in 2 minutes is stupid and he deserved both of them, you can argue about consistancy but either way its besides the point and you can clearly see Kaspers intention was to waste time where as the forest defender booting it in frustration (obviously why would he be wasting time after 18 minutes and 1-o down).

Either way neither decision warrants the absloutley ridiculous and childish over reaction on here.

Didn't Kasper throw the ball closer to the halfway line than if he'd have left it on the floor? If he'd kicked it out the ground fair enough.

The point is the ref was aching to send him off and it was harsh at best. At worst it was a referee who gave in to the home crowd and wanted an excuse to send him off.

Plus if the referee doesn't make a player aware that he has been booked, he's not done his job properly.

I think you're being silly to suggest people are overreacting considering what we've just witnessed.

[Jimothy]

Mills decision is debatable looks to be unintentional, whether he means it or not he controls the ball with his hand and he could quite easily steady himself without putting his hand smack in the trajectory off the ball, Can't argue with Kasper sending off whether he saw it or not getting booked for time wasting twice in 2 minutes is stupid and he deserved both of them, you can argue about consistancy but either way its besides the point and you can clearly see Kaspers intention was to waste time where as the forest defender booting it in frustration (obviously why would he be wasting time after 18 minutes and 1-o down).

Either way neither decision warrants the absloutley ridiculous and childish over reaction on here.

How would he have known the trajectory of the ball if it was rolling from behind him through his legs?

I know professional footballers are meant to be exceptionally good at there job, especially from this level up, but they aren't super human, Matt Mills does not have eyes in the back of his head, or his arse.

Reminds me of one a few years back from a Man Utd Arsenal game given against Gael Clichy, that I'm struggling to find a video of at the moment.

[Father Ted]

Don't fine them, just suspend them so many matches. And if they are suspended so many matches in a season then sack them off completely.

[Guest Col city fan]

Don't fine them, just suspend them so many matches. And if they are suspended so many matches in a season then sack them off completely.

This is what I'd do ted... However it ain't gonna happen.. The refs are as closed-shop as the rest of the FA

They don't do accountability, transparency or explanations

This is the problem IMO

[wagfox]

If I had such a shocker at my work I'd be seriously worried about getting the sack. The Royal Mail equivilant of crashing the mail van and all the locals turning up to nick the post.

Yeh todays performance like delivering 6 wks housholds all at once, a load of crap!! HaHa

[Jimothy]

How would he have known the trajectory of the ball if it was rolling from behind him through his legs?

I know professional footballers are meant to be exceptionally good at there job, especially from this level up, but they aren't super human, Matt Mills does not have eyes in the back of his head, or his arse.

Reminds me of one a few years back from a Man Utd Arsenal game given against Gael Clichy, that I'm struggling to find a video of at the moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxPpK3rLGCY

Found it. Video is a bit weird with the flicking light effect but it's about 3 minutes 20 seconds in. Shrek missed the penalty so justice was done. What was Clichy meant to do in that situation? He's fell over, his arm placement is natural. He doesn't even impede Nani, in a way he he holds the ball up for him. In my opinion that was a shocking penalty decision, and the Mills one today was a million times worse!

[Jakemoore]

100% yes - the ref today robbed our whole club of 3 points and COULD potentially cost us promotion or a play-off spot! Of course it's early days but if we finish 7th needing 2 points more then we'll look back to this day!!

[Manwell Pablo]

Didn't Kasper throw the ball closer to the halfway line than if he'd have left it on the floor? If he'd kicked it out the ground fair enough.

The point is the ref was aching to send him off and it was harsh at best. At worst it was a referee who gave in to the home crowd and wanted an excuse to send him off.

Plus if the referee doesn't make a player aware that he has been booked, he's not done his job properly.

I think you're being silly to suggest people are overreacting considering what we've just witnessed.

He threw it into the stands did he not, he went diving into the net for the ball as soon as they scored so he could chuck it to waste time, it is without question a booking. As for letting him know if he had been booked no one knows whether he did or not whether Kasper just didn't hear him due to noise or whatever, but yes he should probably make sure the player knows but what exactly was said to who and when on the pitch none of us know so I think to be calling for him to be fined and demoted six leagues on speculation alone is rather "silly" either way he deserved to be sent off and if the ref had not done it he wouldn't of been doing his job.

How would he have known the trajectory of the ball if it was rolling from behind him through his legs?

I know professional footballers are meant to be exceptionally good at there job, especially from this level up, but they aren't super human, Matt Mills does not have eyes in the back of his head, or his arse.

Reminds me of one a few years back from a Man Utd Arsenal game given against Gael Clichy, that I'm struggling to find a video of at the moment.

I admit I need to see this again I admit as I said it is debatable but as I have also said that fact there is even an arguement means the ref had a hard decision to make, the ball clearly hits his hand which means the decision is not going to be an easy one to make, it is quite easy for Matt Mills to make it look as though he is just trying to steady himself whilst at the same time purposly handling the ball which is obviously what the referre thinks hence the yellow card. I don't really know whether he meant it or not but thats irrelvant to the penalty and only relevant to the yellow card for deliberate hand ball, the question you need to ask yourself in regards to the pen is could he of got his hand out of the way or put it somewhere else? quite easily if you ask me, it does not have to be deliberate hand ball to give a penalty hence why pens are given for players faling their arms when attempting to block shots and this is why you see alot of players putting their hands behind their backs when trying to block shots these days. You have to do everything you can do to avoid the ball hitting your hand and in my eyes Matt Mills has not do that.

I accept there is a counter arguement to the mills pen but there is no arguement for Kasper, even our own players decided to have a go at Kasper instead of the ref after the red card was shown from what I hear, the ref's made his decsion get on with it. Calling for fines, demotion of leagues, and being a keyboard warrior and making sweeping statements like "he had a terrible game" when you've seen 11 minutes worth of highlights is ridiculous, we are more to blame for chucking that 2-0 lead than that ref like we were to blame for terrible back to back displays at the Walkers last week and it needs to be sorted if we're going to do any where near as well as most of our fans and the press think.

[Corky]

He threw it into the stands did he not, he went diving into the net for the ball as soon as they scored so he could chuck it to waste time, it is without question a booking. As for letting him know if he had been booked no one knows whether he did or not whether Kasper just didn't hear him due to noise or whatever, but yes he should probably make sure the player knows but what exactly was said to who and when on the pitch none of us know so I think to be calling for him to be fined and demoted six leagues on speculation alone is rather "silly" either way he deserved to be sent off and if the ref had not done it he wouldn't of been doing his job.

He threw it towards the half-way line, where the Forest players were taking the ball anyway.

If he dived into the net to stop them getting the ball back then it's exactly the same as a Norwich player did last season, where Fryatt was sent off.

[Jimothy]

He threw it into the stands did he not, he went diving into the net for the ball as soon as they scored so he could chuck it to waste time, it is without question a booking. As for letting him know if he had been booked no one knows whether he did or not whether Kasper just didn't hear him due to noise or whatever, but yes he should probably make sure the player knows but what exactly was said to who and when on the pitch none of us know so I think to be calling for him to be fined and demoted six leagues on speculation alone is rather "silly" either way he deserved to be sent off and if the ref had not done it he wouldn't of been doing his job.

I admit I need to see this again I admit as I said it is debatable but as I have also said that fact there is even an arguement means the ref had a hard decision to make, the ball clearly hits his hand which means the decision is not going to be an easy one to make, it is quite easy for Matt Mills to make it look as though he is just trying to steady himself whilst at the same time purposly handling the ball which is obviously what the referre thinks hence the yellow card. I don't really know whether he meant it or not but thats irrelvant to the penalty and only relevant to the yellow card for deliberate hand ball, the question you need to ask yourself in regards to the pen is could he of got his hand out of the way or put it somewhere else? quite easily if you ask me, it does not have to be deliberate hand ball to give a penalty hence why pens are given for players faling their arms when attempting to block shots and this is why you see alot of players putting their hands behind their backs when trying to block shots these days. You have to do everything you can do to avoid the ball hitting your hand and in my eyes Matt Mills has not do that.

I accept there is a counter arguement to the mills pen but there is no arguement for Kasper, even our own players decided to have a go at Kasper instead of the ref after the red card was shown from what I hear, the ref's made his decsion get on with it. Calling for fines, demotion of leagues, and being a keyboard warrior and making sweeping statements like "he had a terrible game" when you've seen 11 minutes worth of highlights is ridiculous, we are more to blame for chucking that 2-0 lead than that ref like we were to blame for terrible back to back displays at the Walkers last week and it needs to be sorted if we're going to do any where near as well as most of our fans and the press think.

I take your point about handballs and them being deliberate not really mattering, but I don't think Mills could have got out the way. He didn't even know where the ball was or that it was coming him way and towards his hand.

As for Kasper, he didn't throw it into the stand, the video from behind the goal shows it land about 20 yards in field and on the halfway line, right next to a Forest player. And if you watch the highlights again, our players have a go at the ref and then go at Kasper when he doesn't leave the field, they're are not having a go at him for what he did.

[Callabinho]

I hope he chokes on his Sunday roast tomorrow..

[Manwell Pablo]

I take your point about handballs and them being deliberate not really mattering, but I don't think Mills could have got out the way. He didn't even know where the ball was or that it was coming him way and towards his hand.

As for Kasper, he didn't throw it into the stand, the video from behind the goal shows it land about 20 yards in field and on the halfway line, right next to a Forest player. And if you watch the highlights again, our players have a go at the ref and then go at Kasper when he doesn't leave the field, they're are not having a go at him for what he did.

If he threw to the halfway line then fair enough, I herd he threw it in the direction of the touch line.

[Kitchandro]

He threw it towards the half-way line, where the Forest players were taking the ball anyway.

If he dived into the net to stop them getting the ball back then it's exactly the same as a Norwich player did last season, where Fryatt was sent off.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that.

In any case, 9 times out of 10 it wouldn't have been a second yellow, the ref was desperate to get the home fans off his back.

[Jimothy]

If he threw to the halfway line then fair enough, I herd he threw it in the direction of the touch line.

Nah, there's a video in one of the many thread that a fan has taken from behind the goal and he throws it to the halfway line, well away from the touchline.

[Manwell Pablo]

Nah, there's a video in one of the many thread that a fan has taken from behind the goal and he throws it to the halfway line, well away from the touchline.

Just watched again looks like he's throwing it as far away from the forest players as possible to me which is a yellow card. I struggle to see why he'd go harring into the net just to give them the ball straight back so they can get started . I wasn't there so could well be wrong.

Still a stupid thing to do.