Guest ttfn Posted 20 August 2011 Posted 20 August 2011 1) You cannot be offside from a goal kick. So few people seem to understand this. 2) A foul is awarded for "deliberate handball". Accidental handball is not a foul. Unsurprisingly Steve Claridge has just failed to grasp this on the FLS.
rico Posted 20 August 2011 Posted 20 August 2011 1) You cannot be offside from a goal kick. So few people seem to understand this. 2) A foul is awarded for "deliberate handball". Accidental handball is not a foul. Unsurprisingly Steve Claridge has just failed to grasp this on the FLS. The linesman had trouble understanding this rule today !
themotivator Posted 20 August 2011 Posted 20 August 2011 claridge just convinced me that his brain has deteriorated past the point of no return. time to turn off the life support manish.
rico Posted 20 August 2011 Posted 20 August 2011 claridge just convinced me that his brain has deteriorated past the point of no return. time to turn off the life support manish.
Guest MattP Posted 20 August 2011 Posted 20 August 2011 1) You cannot be offside from a goal kick. So few people seem to understand this. 2) A foul is awarded for "deliberate handball". Accidental handball is not a foul. Unsurprisingly Steve Claridge has just failed to grasp this on the FLS. I always wonder how they implement two. If thats actually the case the Sund/Newc one isnt a pen either as he ddint do it delibrately but everyone agrees its a penalty No player except the ones that are handballed off the line would ever be given.
lcfcadam Posted 20 August 2011 Posted 20 August 2011 I always wonder how they implement two. If thats actually the case the Sund/Newc one isnt a pen either as he ddint do it delibrately but everyone agrees its a penalty No player except the ones that are handballed off the line would ever be given. PLEASE tell me you're not serious??!! That was a contender for save of the season!! No difficulty in implementing most rules at all as long as at least one official gets a good view, has their eyes open, doesn't respond to the crowd and hasn't been paid off in advance...
Guest MattP Posted 20 August 2011 Posted 20 August 2011 PLEASE tell me you're not serious??!! That was a contender for save of the season!! No difficulty in implementing most rules at all as long as at least one official gets a good view, has their eyes open, doesn't respond to the crowd and hasn't been paid off in advance... If he intended to tip that over the bar with his arm he has the reactions of one of the greatest keepers of all time.
Kenners Posted 20 August 2011 Posted 20 August 2011 I always wonder how they implement two. If thats actually the case the Sund/Newc one isnt a pen either as he ddint do it delibrately but everyone agrees its a penalty No player except the ones that are handballed off the line would ever be given. From what I've been told on my refs course you have to decide whether: The defenders arms/hands were in a unnatural position IE right up in the air/ in front of them. and whether the hand is moving towards the ball. If any of those are true then a penalty should be given. Mills was on the floor and supporting himself so it was prefectly natural and they couldnt really be in any other position, and theyre clearly not moving towards the ball. Not a penalty IMO.
cc_star Posted 20 August 2011 Posted 20 August 2011 1) You cannot be offside from a goal kick. So few people seem to understand this. 2) A foul is awarded for "deliberate handball". Accidental handball is not a foul. Unsurprisingly Steve Claridge has just failed to grasp this on the FLS. I don't think he said it was a foul, just that pens can be given for accidental
Guest MattP Posted 20 August 2011 Posted 20 August 2011 From what I've been told on my refs course you have to decide whether: The defenders arms/hands were in a unnatural position IE right up in the air/ in front of them. and whether the hand is moving towards the ball. If any of those are true then a penalty should be given. Mills was on the floor and supporting himself so it was prefectly natural and they couldnt really be in any other position, and theyre clearly not moving towards the ball. Not a penalty IMO. That makes more sense.
ozleicester Posted 20 August 2011 Posted 20 August 2011 but... if it had been a florist player at the other end.. can you honestly say you wouldnt have expected a peno?
Guest ttfn Posted 20 August 2011 Posted 20 August 2011 I don't think he said it was a foul, just that pens can be given for accidental Re-read what you've written and explain how that makes any sense
Guest ttfn Posted 20 August 2011 Posted 20 August 2011 but... if it had been a florist player at the other end.. can you honestly say you wouldnt have expected a peno? Not saying I wouldn't have. But why? The rule is "deliberate" handball and it's interpretation seems to bear no relationship to that
lcfcadam Posted 20 August 2011 Posted 20 August 2011 but... if it had been a florist player at the other end.. can you honestly say you wouldnt have expected a peno? In the heat of the moment of course I'd have shouted for it, and I can't blame the Forest players or fans for doing so. However, the referee shouldn't be fooled by such reactions, and in this case he has absolutely no defence of saying he couldn't see it. If that peno had been given in our favour I'd absolutely have taken it, but I'd never had said it was a correct decision.
red5 Posted 20 August 2011 Posted 20 August 2011 What's the law that a goalkeeper can't pick the ball out from the goal and throw it to the halfway line after the opposition score a goal?
Super_Fox_Boy Posted 20 August 2011 Posted 20 August 2011 What the ref also has to take into account is the movement of the ball as well as whether it was deliberate or not. Watching the football league show it is quite clear Millsy has not one iota where the ball is and the fact that had it not hit his hand Kasper was just going to simply pick it up. The ref was a complete clown and deserves to be demoted after his performance today. It's still pissing me off big time how it was given.
Libertine Dream Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 I dont care if refs are wrong, i just want consistency. He caused the sending off because of the worst decision from referee since the Bristol City game. Noticed stockdale didnt get booked for smashing the ball into the stands after a goal, not simply throwing it towards halfway. Doesnt matter if youre 2-1 up or 7-1 down if you have the rule implemented then its the same for all.
woddyuk Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 With that refereeing performance Im surprised he missed the chance to disallow Gelsons goal with Vasell being offside Shocking Pen decision, A right home bird decision. The crowds shout and the forest players reaction made it nailed on It WAS accidental and regardless of that , Kasper was gonna colect it anyhow There's not a centre half on the planet gonna deliberatly put his hand on the ball on the floor on the six yard box !! Shows the refs inconsistency,, Heres a thought : If he deemed it deliberate handball to give the pen in the first place,, why did he only give Mills a yellow, not a red card?
Fez of Mahrez Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 If Forest had been off celebrating instead of wanting the ball back, Schmeichel would never have been booked for the second one. It's one of the most ludicrous decisions I've ever seen and TV has backed that up.
Guest Col city fan Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 I always wonder how they implement two. If thats actually the case the Sund/Newc one isnt a pen either as he ddint do it delibrately but everyone agrees its a penalty No player except the ones that are handballed off the line would ever be given. That was the most blatant handball you will ever see... What planet are you on?
Fox92 Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 PLEASE tell me you're not serious??!! That was a contender for save of the season!! No difficulty in implementing most rules at all as long as at least one official gets a good view, has their eyes open, doesn't respond to the crowd and hasn't been paid off in advance... From what I recall there was no Forest players near him so why would he want to handle the ball? It was an accident and although during the game I said 'thats a penalty', I also said he couldn't do anything else. Regardless of the rules and the referees, the law of our game shouldn't be to chuck away 0-2 leads, espcially if we are looking for promotion.
Guest ttfn Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 If Forest had been off celebrating instead of wanting the ball back, Schmeichel would never have been booked for the second one. It's one of the most ludicrous decisions I've ever seen and TV has backed that up. It's funny you should say that Fez, because the TV pictures did back up what you were saying. This of course didn't stop the commentator from claiming that Schmeichel had "kicked it into the stands"!
Callabinho Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 What's the law that a goalkeeper can't pick the ball out from the goal and throw it to the halfway line after the opposition score a goal? Ask Fatboy Morgan, he kicked the ball into the crowd after our first goal.....
stockyfox Posted 21 August 2011 Posted 21 August 2011 I quote below the official wording ofthe laws of the game, first the actual rules and secondly, how referees areadvised to interpret the rules. I have gone through all 140 pages andI cannot find anything that justifies Matt Mills being booked or why KasperSchmeichel was shown a second yellow card. I have highlighted the obviousrelevant phrases but look at words like 'deliberately' and 'blatantly', Given the circumstances, am I missingsomething? LAW 12 – FOULS AND MISCONDUCT Fouls and misconduct are penalised as follows: Direct free kick A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of thefollowing seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless,reckless or using excessive force: •kicks or attempts to kick an opponent •trips or attempts to trip an opponent •jumps at an opponent •charges an opponent •strikes or attempts to strike an opponent •pushes an opponent •tackles an opponent Adirect free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any ofthe following three offences: •holds an opponent •spits at an opponent • handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area) Adirect free kick is taken from the place where the offence occurred (see Law 13– Position of free kick). Penalty kick A penalty kick is awarded if any of the above ten offences is committed by a player inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of the ball, provided it is in play. Cautionable offences Aplayer is cautioned and shown the yellow card if he commits any of the following seven offences: •unsporting behaviour •dissent by word or action •persistent infringement of the Laws of the Game •delaying the restart of play •failure to respect the required distance when play is restarted with a corner kick,free kick or throw-in •entering or re-entering the field of play without the referee's permission •deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee's permission Sending-off offences Aplayer, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the followingseven offences: •serious foul play •violent conduct •spitting at an opponent or any other person •denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within hisown penalty area) •denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards theplayer's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick •using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures •receiving a second caution in the same match Aplayer, substitute or substituted player who has been sent off must leave thevicinity of the field of play and the technical area. INTERPRETATION Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must takethe following into consideration: • the movement of thehand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand) • the distance between theopponent and the ball (unexpected ball) • the position of thehand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement • touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing,shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement • hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.)counts as an infringement Disciplinarysanctions There are circumstances when a caution for unsportingbehaviour is required when a player deliberately handles the ball, e.g. when aplayer: • deliberately and blatantly handles the ball to prevent an opponent gaining possession • attempts to score a goal by deliberately handling the ball A player is sent off, however, if he prevents a goal or an obviousgoal scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball. This punishment arises not from the act of the player deliberatelyhandling the ball but from the unacceptable and unfair intervention that prevented a goalbeing scored. Restart of play • Direct free kick from the position where the offence occurred(see Law 13 –Position of free kick) or penalty kick Outside his own penalty area, the goalkeeper has the samerestrictions on handling the ball as any other player. Inside his own penaltyarea,the goalkeeper cannot be guilty of a handling offence incurring a direct free kick or any misconduct relating to handling of the ball. He can, however, beguilty of several handling offences that incur an indirect free kick.
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