The laws of the game

[gazfox9]

The way I see it, a penalty can be awarded for accidental handball, if the defending team gain an advantage from it. Hence the Sunderland game would have been a pen whether he meant it or not. With Mills, however, we gained no benefit whatsoever from him 'handling' the ball. Ridiculous decision, as was the ref not seeing Konchesky being walked over for the leveller.

[Trav Le Bleu]

The way I see it, a penalty can be awarded for accidental handball, if the defending team gain an advantage from it. Hence the Sunderland game would have been a pen whether he meant it or not. With Mills, however, we gained no benefit whatsoever from him 'handling' the ball. Ridiculous decision, as was the ref not seeing Konchesky being walked over for the leveller.

You obviously didn't read the post before yours.

Nice research Cal.

[thebartonfox]

My dad has just emailed this to the Football League.

Dear Sir or Madam,

I have just watched the television highlights of the above match.  I was astounded by the referee's decision to award a second yellow card to the Leicester City goalkeeper (Kasper Schmeical).  The match referee was Mr Jonathan Moss.  The yellow card was shown after the Leicester City goalkeeper had thrown the ball towards the half way line following a penalty that had been scored by the home side in the 79th minute.

Earlier in the match, a Nottingham Forest player had kicked the ball directly into the crowd immediately after Leicester City had scored the first goal of the match in the 18th minute.  The action taken by the Nottingham Forest player clearly represented a cautionable offence on the basis that (1) it was unsporting behaviour (2) indicated dissent and (3) delayed the restart of play.  I presume the referee applied these criteria to justify the yellow card shown to the Leicester City goalkeeper in the 79th minute.

Given that both incidents did not receive the same treatment, I am extremely disappointed at the referee's gross level of inconsistency.  Given that the second yellow card shown to the Leicester City goalkeeper resulted in his dismissal, and Leicester City being reduced to 10 men for the last 11+ minutes of the game, the scale of the referee's inconsistent decision making cannot be underestimated.  The match was eventually drawn 2-2 after Nottingham Forest scored an equaliser in the 4th minute of added time.  Therefore, the referee's decision to award the second yellow card to Kasper Schmeical had a significant impact on the outcome of the match.  This situation is extremely damaging to the the interests of the game.

Please could you advise how this matter can be addressed including how the referee, Mr Jonathan Moss, can be called to account for his inconsistent approach and clear disregard for the rules of the game.

I look forward to hearing your early reply.

[Phube]

My dad has just emailed this to the Football League.

You must post the reply, assuming they'll even bother to give one.

My bet is on:

"We cannot/do not comment on individual decisions during a games... etc."

[AyewJoking]

Not worth debating these incidents as the ref/linesman has to make a quick decision on something that happened in less than a second and they probably didnt even see it.

The game is crying out for video technology but until then why cant people just accept this is the way it is.

[Jagdinho]

Please do post the reply, i look forward to hearing this!

Although, doubt youll get one back..

[Guest ttfn]

What a well-worded letter. Sadly it misses out one key element:

It is clear to literally everybody who has seen the incident that Matt Mills did not deliberately handle the ball, and no penalty should have been awarded.

No penalty = no booking = no sending off = no goals for Forest = 3 points. Simples.

[DB11]

Lol at that letter. What are you aiming to achieve from it? Could have at least proof read it first if you wanted to be taken seriously.

Forest have gone 1-0 down and kicking the ball away is a sign of frustration by the Forest player. Why would it be delaying the restart of play? Leicester are off celebrating. Dissent.. erm for what? Unsporting behaviour? How was it?

Football fans are so stupid when they only look at things from the "we're hard done by everyone hates us" point of view. At least understand the laws and their interpretations if you want to have an opinion, at least, an opinion worth listening to.

Shows the refs inconsistency,, Heres a thought : If he deemed it deliberate handball to give the pen in the first place,, why did he only give Mills a yellow, not a red card?

That's a stupid comment

[Libertine Dream]

My dad has just emailed this to the Football League.

He won't get a reply! I've emailed the FA, Football League and Referee's association numerous times and have never had a reply if the email questioned a referee at all. As organisations they're too scared to accept that their referee's are crap. I've also emailed the FA regarding the respect campaign and I got a reply along the lines of: We are trying to ensure all referees at all levels are fairly treated and we feel this will help. Basically they all talk nonsense.

[Jimothy]

Lol at that letter. What are you aiming to achieve from it? Could have at least proof read it first if you wanted to be taken seriously.

Forest have gone 1-0 down and kicking the ball away is a sign of frustration by the Forest player. Why would it be delaying the restart of play? Leicester are off celebrating. Dissent.. erm for what? Unsporting behaviour? How was it?

Football fans are so stupid when they only look at things from the "we're hard done by everyone hates us" point of view. At least understand the laws and their interpretations if you want to have an opinion, at least, an opinion worth listening to.

That's a stupid comment

But how was that any different to what Kasper did? Either both are yellows or neither are.

[DB11]

But how was that any different to what Kasper did? Either both are yellows or neither are.

Well no, because Kasper prevented the Forest players from retrieving the ball

[Matt]

Lol at that letter. What are you aiming to achieve from it? Could have at least proof read it first if you wanted to be taken seriously.

Forest have gone 1-0 down and kicking the ball away is a sign of frustration by the Forest player. Why would it be delaying the restart of play? Leicester are off celebrating. Dissent.. erm for what? Unsporting behaviour? How was it?

Football fans are so stupid when they only look at things from the "we're hard done by everyone hates us" point of view. At least understand the laws and their interpretations if you want to have an opinion, at least, an opinion worth listening to.

That's a stupid comment

Right obviously you're a referee, you obviously do look at things from a referee's point of view and like I said in my referee thread yesterday pleading for fans to just accept the referee didn't lose us the game yesterday, our lack of killing a game off and playing poor in the 2nd half did, the referee didn't help but I can see why he gave the penalty, although on another day with another referee it might not have been given (Where's the consistancy I may ask) and I can see why he sent KS off, again though on another day with another referee he may not have been sent off (Again, where's the consistancy).

However, and I also said this in my thread yesterday I and many other believe that you cannot call a referee wrong, say he's made a bad decision, so I put this to you - Who do actually support Leicester City or Referee's? Like I say if a referee is right then fair enough, but even when a referee makes a bad decision, leading to a goal, leading to a match changing event that is wrong you'd still support and argue in favour of the referee, I'm 100% sure of it.

Do you watch football as a supporter of football or a connoisseur of refereeing? I can imagine you watching the referee more than the game when watching football.

[Matt]

Well no, because Kasper prevented the Forest players from retrieving the ball

a) Why did they need to retrieve it? They were celebrating.

b) Where did the ball end up? Near the centre circle?

c) Where does the ball need to be to restart the game? The centre circle?

Don't get me wrong Kasper needs to calm down and at first I thought he'd kicked it out to the touchline when I saw it on the stream, but after looking again (And it's not asif the referee could have the same opinion as me of not seeing it, because I only had the camera angle of the stream at the time, the referee was there and obviously saw where the ball ended up)

[Jimothy]

Well no, because Kasper prevented the Forest players from retrieving the ball

Morgan potentially prevented Leicester players from doing so to. In fact by launching the ball into the crowd he prevented anything from happening. Kasper my have stopped the Forest players from retrieving the ball but he actually threw, whether by accident or design, to the halfway line, barely 15 yards from the place it needed to be to get the game restarted. Actually if you watch it, the Forest players don't seem to interested in the ball until Kasper throws in then suddenly it's a problem. Both players did the same thing, except the one who kept on the field of play is the one who gets booked. Doesn't really make sense to me, and seemingly many others.

[DB11]

Right obviously you're a referee, you obviously do look at things from a referee's point of view and like I said in my referee thread yesterday pleading for fans to just accept the referee didn't lose us the game yesterday, our lack of killing a game off and playing poor in the 2nd half did, the referee didn't help but I can see why he gave the penalty, although on another day with another referee it might not have been given (Where's the consistancy I may ask) and I can see why he sent KS off, again though on another day with another referee he may not have been sent off (Again, where's the consistancy).

However, and I also said this in my thread yesterday I and many other believe that you cannot call a referee wrong, say he's made a bad decision, so I put this to you - Who do actually support Leicester City or Referee's? Like I say if a referee is right then fair enough, but even when a referee makes a bad decision, leading to a goal, leading to a match changing event that is wrong you'd still support and argue in favour of the referee, I'm 100% sure of it.

Do you watch football as a supporter of football or a connoisseur of refereeing? I can imagine you watching the referee more than the game when watching football.

Since getting a season ticket, I've become fond of Leicester City but I wouldn't say it's 'in my blood' like other supporters. I wasn't brought up with Leicester City FC; it was a conscious decision to start watching their games a few years ago. I'm happy when we win, and annoyed when we lose (if I went to watch... if I'm not at the game nor watching it on TV then meh) but it's far from the be all and end all. I don't watch the referee, but I notice him.. if that makes sense. Whenever Leicester score, I'll look at the assistant to see if it's offside and allowed first.

If you want a supporter with passion, then it's not me. But I'm no prawn sandwicher

[shen]

Well no, because Kasper prevented the Forest players from retrieving the ball

The dissent/timewasting rule is just too open to subjective interpretation. Shawcross got a yellow today for 'timewasting' as he was shepherding a Norwich player over the sideline. The ball hits the boards and rebounds into Shawcross' path who cannot be blamed for touching it. No intent whatsoever, it all happened in a flash, and it didn't prevent Norwich from taking the throw-in as their player wasn't even ready.

If Fernandes or whoever had made the slightest movement towards goal to retrieve the ball after our first goal, it would have been classed as timewasting you say? But because no-one did, it isn't? Either way it's an action of dissent and if Kasper was punished so should their player.

[Trav Le Bleu]

Since getting a season ticket, I've become fond of Leicester City but I wouldn't say it's 'in my blood' like other supporters. I wasn't brought up with Leicester City FC; it was a conscious decision to start watching their games a few years ago. I'm happy when we win, and annoyed when we lose (if I went to watch... if I'm not at the game nor watching it on TV then meh) but it's far from the be all and end all. I don't watch the referee, but I notice him.. if that makes sense. Whenever Leicester score, I'll look at the assistant to see if it's offside and allowed first.

If you want a supporter with passion, then it's not me. But I'm no prawn sandwicher

no, you're a nob.

[gazfox9]

You obviously didn't read the post before yours.

Nice research Cal.

Obviously, read the post. Simply stating, in 20 years of watching, and 15 years of playing, thats how I've found refs generally officiate. It may not be to the letter of the law, but thats what I've found.

[JoeyB]

so does he just miss the bury game? or bury and saints?

[Guest ttfn]

Lol at that letter. What are you aiming to achieve from it? Could have at least proof read it first if you wanted to be taken seriously.

Forest have gone 1-0 down and kicking the ball away is a sign of frustration by the Forest player. Why would it be delaying the restart of play? Leicester are off celebrating. Dissent.. erm for what? Unsporting behaviour? How was it?

Football fans are so stupid when they only look at things from the "we're hard done by everyone hates us" point of view. At least understand the laws and their interpretations if you want to have an opinion, at least, an opinion worth listening to.

That's a stupid comment

DB11 - Do you think that was a penalty yesterday? Because I can't see a way that any sane person could look at what happened and think that Mills deliberately handled the ball.

[Kitchandro]

Lol at that letter. What are you aiming to achieve from it? Could have at least proof read it first if you wanted to be taken seriously.

Forest have gone 1-0 down and kicking the ball away is a sign of frustration by the Forest player. Why would it be delaying the restart of play? Leicester are off celebrating. Dissent.. erm for what? Unsporting behaviour? How was it?

Football fans are so stupid when they only look at things from the "we're hard done by everyone hates us" point of view. At least understand the laws and their interpretations if you want to have an opinion, at least, an opinion worth listening to.

That's a stupid comment

You're certainly living up to your reputation of defending the indefensible when it comes to referees.

There's another poster on here who's a qualified referee, and he talks sense. He admits that you're mainly twats who can't do your job properly, as yesterday once again proved.

[Matt]

DB11 - Do you think that was a penalty yesterday? Because I can't see a way that any sane person could look at what happened and think that Mills deliberately handled the ball.

Where there's a will there's a way.

DB11 has a will to defend the officials, He'll come up with some way of supporting the referee.

[accessory]

so does he just miss the bury game? or bury and saints?

1-game ban for 2 yellows, so just the Bury match.

[Corky]

Lol at that letter. What are you aiming to achieve from it? Could have at least proof read it first if you wanted to be taken seriously.

Forest have gone 1-0 down and kicking the ball away is a sign of frustration by the Forest player. Why would it be delaying the restart of play? Leicester are off celebrating. Dissent.. erm for what? Unsporting behaviour? How was it?

How is throwing the ball towards the centre circle, getting it there quicker than any Forest player running back with the ball, delaying the restart?

[Guest Bilo]

DB11 is having an absolute mare on this thread.

I have respect for you lad for giving balance on referees because some of the attacks are just silly, but I honestly cannot see how that referee can be defended for the way in which he totally perverted the outcome of the game through not one but two appalling decisions in the space of 60 seconds.

Take your head out of the sand because Moss was terrible yesterday.