wellyfox Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 Funny i read a bert post last night. He claimed the dressing room was lost over fighting about where players lived. Sven had told em all they had to move closer. As it was disrupting training.
Monk Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 Funny i read a bert post last night. He claimed the dressing room was lost over fighting about where players lived. Sven had told em all they had to move closer. As it was disrupting training. Sounds a fairly minor argument though, can't imagine this had a direct impact on the sacking? Something has clearly gone on though between 5pm Saturday and last night. Why didn't they sack him straight after the game? Which again leads me to think they have someone lined up.
foxsake123 Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 Not that I boo them or the team but we're also feeding them. If you go duty free shopping in Thailand then yes. They probably dont break even at lcfc.
foxsake123 Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 Sounds a fairly minor argument though, can't imagine this had a direct impact on the sacking? Something has clearly gone on though between 5pm Saturday and last night. Why didn't they sack him straight after the game? Which again leads me to think they have someone lined up. It sounds as if Beckford is driving down from Merseyside everyday. no wonder hes playing crap.
wellyfox Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 It sounds as if Beckford is driving down from Merseyside everyday. no wonder hes playing crap. By the sounds of it wellins an gally too. Sven had no chance with the new boys if they won't move. And from what bert said sounds like the squad is split over it. Hence 3-0 **** up saturday.
Kitchandro Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 No I didn't, don't exaggerate so you can make a point. I said I doubt it was the main cause for our inconsistent play as disruptive dressing room would affect every game. You talk so much rubbish in this post it shows that Sven is simply too nice and that those pretending to be his mate were the same ones plotting behind his back. - total conjecture yet you post it as if it's a fact It also shows that the new bloke has gotta have the bollox to give these fookin prima donnas the kick up the arse they so need - maybe Sven did this and that's what caused the 'rumoured' disruption again you're just guessing that he didn't and post it as true. wellens needs to stop shit stirring - more guess work or you know this for a fact. It's fine to criticise Sven and everyone has that right but people should stick to facts to prove their point not making things up or misinterpreting other peoples comments. As for Pearson and MON there were rumours of disaffection in both their camps - didn't Parker throw a cup of tea over MON? I didn't know that specific one but it's common knowledge that were many physical altercations between Martin and his players - Parker, Walsh and Lennon in particular. They all loved him but not because he was soft. He is just brilliant at getting the best out of his players for whatever reason and, for whatever reason, Sven isn't. Not disagreeing with your point though.
ozleicester Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 Owners have made a stupid decision, but thats the right they have as owners.
markbsac Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 ive not read any of this thread only the title.....do not piss the owners off...that really would be a silly move by the fans
somebum Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 Not that I boo them or the team but we're also feeding them. That's right! What a crazy thread this is. WE pay the money, if not for us they would not have a club, and besides that, we all pay over the odds for energy prices that these guys are responsible for in their own way. To say they are feeding us is pure delusion
flowwolf Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 That's right! What a crazy thread this is. WE pay the money, if not for us they would not have a club, and besides that, we all pay over the odds for energy prices that these guys are responsible for in their own way. To say they are feeding us is pure delusion Your deluded mate if you think this club could operate on what the fans put in cash wise those days have well and truly gone. Did WE the fans stop this club from nearly going to the wall a few seasons ago ? NO.
GianEmmo Zola Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 If sven was still here and we won on saturday. We would go into the playoffs with results going our way. Its easier for the thais to sack sven now instead of waiting til next week. When potentially we could have been in the playoffs. They clearly have someone lined up to come in. Now was the perfect and easiest time to get rid of sven.
Kitchandro Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 If sven was still here and we won on saturday. We would go into the playoffs with results going our way. Its easier for the thais to sack sven now instead of waiting til next week. When potentially we could have been in the playoffs. They clearly have someone lined up to come in. Now was the perfect and easiest time to get rid of sven. And if Sven had set up the team like he has done for all our other away games bar Forest, we would have lost and been 8 points behind West Ham. This is all of a sudden quite a hill to climb. I don't understand what you're saying, it was too early now but waiting til next week and doing it then (just because he lost one game ) would have been better? But if he had won and we'd been in the play-offs he should stay? The decision was not based on the Millwall defeat so why should it have been based on the West Ham game? He's either not good enough or he is.
Alf Bentley Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 It's a results business ........simple as ! Their money......their call ! This is the "Vichy France 1940" approach to life...they have the power, so we must doff our caps and applaud their every move. If our ancestors had adopted this approach, we'd all still be serfs! Of course, the painful reality is that LCFC's existence as a football club currently depends on its primary status as a promotional vehicle for a chain of Thai duty-free shops. However, the fact that the Thais are using the club as a vehicle to promote King Power's standing in the market, rather than as a rich-man's plaything (Abramovich) or a creative accounting ploy (the Glazers) means that they need the fans slightly more than some owners. Even if they might be able to buy their way into the Premier League, it won't promote King Power very well if they alienate the fans and play to a half-empty stadium. With the right appointment, promotion might still be achieved, as it might have been under Sven. However, even with the right appointment, the chances are surely reduced due to the likely disruption (current players moved on, new players brought in, changes in tactics etc).
GianEmmo Zola Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 Just saying they have found another manager and the sacking has been on the cards for a while and a great time to do it was now. After a defeat. Instead of waiting another week and it being a harder decision to make. After a potential win at the weekend and a play off place.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 But suppose the hand that feeds tastes nice?
Thracian Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 If sven was still here and we won on saturday. We would go into the playoffs with results going our way. Its easier for the thais to sack sven now instead of waiting til next week. When potentially we could have been in the playoffs. They clearly have someone lined up to come in. Now was the perfect and easiest time to get rid of sven. If, if, if....we started losing ground with the two home defeats in August, not least because we didn't sign striker Craig Mackail-Smith who would have been a marvellous asset to our side. Major mistake. Furthermore despite an entire closed season in preparation we didn't have a high calibre dead ball specialist - nor, of course, the two specialist strikers necessary to take advantage of those situations (injuries should always be anticipated). This made me wonder about the coaching and nothing that happened later suggested we were addressing this problem or various others. Finally our refusal to use Dyer or to sign anaother winger made our play far too narrow, slow, predictable and too easily countered, especially as our full-backs were in no way threatening as attackers. I'd mentioned all these things way back needing - including the need for an attacking coach months - but really it was a tactical mentor Sven was in need of - a guy who could analyse why we so rarely functioned at full throttle and persuade Sven to do something about it. Sven must have known the problems and was sacked because he didn't act decisively enough to put them right.
accessory Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 I think we're in danger of making some wild claims here. Like I said, it wouldn't be a shock if some players threw their toys out the pram. However we've only had a small bit of supposedly true info from Bert, which doesn't go into that much detail. I think the players need a kick up the arse for their performances alone, and especially the Millwall one. But we don't know much about this particular incident tbf, and as far as I can see there is nothing to suggest there is xenophobia involved. It was probably only late-night conjecture. Only those players involved know what caused them to fall out with Sousa and Sven, and even then they'd be unlikely admit xenophobia as a motive. However anyone unfortunate enough to witness the abject capitulation to Millwall would have instantly recognised there was something desperately wrong. Drastic action was needed and the board have now taken it.
Guest Col city fan Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 No I didn't, don't exaggerate so you can make a point. I said I doubt it was the main cause for our inconsistent play as disruptive dressing room would affect every game. You talk so much rubbish in this post it shows that Sven is simply too nice and that those pretending to be his mate were the same ones plotting behind his back. - total conjecture yet you post it as if it's a fact It also shows that the new bloke has gotta have the bollox to give these fookin prima donnas the kick up the arse they so need - maybe Sven did this and that's what caused the 'rumoured' disruption again you're just guessing that he didn't and post it as true. wellens needs to stop shit stirring - more guess work or you know this for a fact. It's fine to criticise Sven and everyone has that right but people should stick to facts to prove their point not making things up or misinterpreting other peoples comments. As for Pearson and MON there were rumours of disaffection in both their camps - didn't Parker throw a cup of tea over MON? Nope I didn't post anything as fact.. I said 'if Bert is to be believed'........ You simply completely under estimated the impact that unrest can have and more than likely has had in this instance. You know you did, stop making excuses. Nice guy Sven did not appear to have the respect that you claimed he had.. That was the original point. You're simply back tracking
Walshie is God Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 Nope I didn't post anything as fact.. I said 'if Bert is to be believed'........ You simply completely under estimated the impact that unrest can have and more than likely has had in this instance. You know you did, stop making excuses. Nice guy Sven did not appear to have the respect that you claimed he had.. That was the original point. You're simply back tracking As I see it,................ We were completely clueless when plan A failed, we either played a 4-4-2 diamond with no width or a 4-5-1 formation with width but no actual wide men in the starting line up. As nice a guy as Sven was he just didnt have the know how to work in the Championship. To get out of this division you need grit and determination something we do not currently have. We have pretty boys who like picking up a nice big pay cheque each week. IMHO we need something proven at this level and someone who commands consistency as this is where we fall down, 4-0 thrashing of Derby followed by a 2-0 defeat at brum, 2-0 victory against a poor Watford side and then the shambles of last saturday. We will get nowhere fast with that sort of form. Ooh and I cant resist, lets get shot of Wellens its all very nice and pretty but what exactly does this guy give us??????? Its got to be O'Neill if he'll come but I suspect we'll end up with another big name foreign manager who doesnt understand the lower english leagues!
Wherethefoxhat? Posted 25 October 2011 Author Posted 25 October 2011 If sven was still here and we won on saturday. We would go into the playoffs with results going our way. Its easier for the thais to sack sven now instead of waiting til next week. When potentially we could have been in the playoffs. They clearly have someone lined up to come in. Now was the perfect and easiest time to get rid of sven.
foxjack Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 for once i agree with steve claridge, you could say it was harsh because there was still time to turn things around, especially as things weren't that bad. OR You could say well the owners wanted to go up last season and we didnt, gave sven big money through the summer, and we are under performing, lets make the change now while there is still time. Not sure if losing sven was a good idea, but i think it completely hangs on who comes in. When Soussa went sven was lined up already. I hope they have something good lined up now!
cornish fox Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 Bert says Sven "lost the dressing room" so that seems a good enough reason to get sacked. Where does Bert say that? I can't find that post? Thanks.
somebum Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 Your deluded mate if you think this club could operate on what the fans put in cash wise those days have well and truly gone. Did WE the fans stop this club from nearly going to the wall a few seasons ago ? NO. You are kidding, right?
flowwolf Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 You are kidding, right? No not kidding at all. Do the maths and you will find our average gate receipts no where near covers even the wage bill yet alone money to by players and pay all the staff. The new owners are still losing money every week and will continue to do so until hope fully we get into the Prem.
Wherethefoxhat? Posted 26 October 2011 Author Posted 26 October 2011 No not kidding at all. Do the maths and you will find our average gate receipts no where near covers even the wage bill yet alone money to by players and pay all the staff. The new owners are still losing money every week and will continue to do so until hope fully we get into the Prem. .......or start to fill the ground ?
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