Revolving Door

[foxfanazer]

Are we ever going to get enough stability to mount a serious promotion challenge with this revolving door of managers and players. We must have some sort of record for the amount of staff we have had in the past 5 years or so (maybe longer). At the moment we are getting a manager in, backing him financially to sign who he wants, give him 6 months and then get someone else in and then the same with the next boss. I can only see this getting worse with our financial power and the big expectations that come with that. Hopefully Pearson can sign some players that we want to stay for more than one transfer window

[accessory]

It will make no difference who we sign, as long as the club's resident clique of overpaid, underachieving wasters remain to undermine them as they have done so many others.

The manager's first task is to clear out the deadwood, even if he has to pay off their contracts to do so.

[Happy Fox]

It will make no difference who we sign, as long as the club's resident clique of overpaid, underachieving wasters remain to undermine them as they have done so many others.

The manager's first task is to clear out the deadwood, even if he has to pay off their contracts to do so.

Exactly Sven failed to do this does NP have the balls to get rid of Wellens and co I bloody well hope so as they are the perennial underachievers

[ithuriel]

Nigel will have no favourites if they are going to cost him his job, whether certain player's realise that is another thing.

Maybe some have been here too long and think they are immune to getting shoved out the door.

Howard he will probably keep until the end of the season for the dressing room and Dyer because we lack wingers and he tries but Wellens should be very careful with the way thing's are at present and King need's to put in more effort too.

[accessory]

I'm not sure NP will be strong enough to get rid of players who were allegedly instrumental in securing his return to the Way.

The extent to which he is in thrall to the resident dominant clique at the club was demonstrated by his team selection on Saturday. We've known for months that Howard is not up to a 90-minute performance these days, yet that's what he was given. Meanwhile, two international midfielders of proven ability were left kicking their heels on the bench while weaker, out-of-form players were preferred.

[accessory]

Nigel will have no favourites if they are going to cost him his job, whether certain player's realise that is another thing.

Maybe some have been here too long and think they are immune to getting shoved out the door.

Howard he will probably keep until the end of the season for the dressing room and Dyer because we lack wingers and he tries but Wellens should be very careful with the way thing's are at present and King need's to put in more effort too.

Why? Is he going to clean it?

[ithuriel]

Why? Is he going to clean it?

You never know

Howard is past it but who would take him and if it costs us the same to get rid we might has well have him making the tea and telling dirty jokes on the bench

[marbelladave]

It will make no difference who we sign, as long as the club's resident clique of overpaid, underachieving wasters remain to undermine them as they have done so many others.

The manager's first task is to clear out the deadwood, even if he has to pay off their contracts to do so.

I would love to see some details, some evidence of such a clique.......

There is clearly something holding back the developement of the club and I guess this might well be the issue.

Personally I can only comment on what I see on the pitch on matchdays and I would love to know how players of (previously) proven quality such as Fernandes and Danns can be so completely marginalised in such a short time.

I also wonder if there are issues regarding the captaincy of the side......

[FoxTrott]

Think the biggest problem we have at the moment is the fact we have a squad full of players who have nothing to prove, no motivation. All or most of Sven's signings were bought as already successful in their own right players whom will be on high enough wages to not be too concerned about playing to their absolute best because they're comfortably paid and there isn't an incentive to do better. That's the issue with having the money we have.

I just hope Pearson buys/uses players who have yet to reach their potential and therefore have reason to succeed further in their careers - not just young players, but those who have not lived up to their expectations in other clubs, something that will give them reason to prove themselves. Hate to fall partial to the cliche, but players like Schlupp and dare I say Waghorn fall under this criteria - not that I'm completely advocating them automatically getting games before Beckford and Nugent, but they will certainly have that fire within to prove themselves.

[accessory]

I would love to see some details, some evidence of such a clique.......

There is clearly something holding back the developement of the club and I guess this might well be the issue.

Personally I can only comment on what I see on the pitch on matchdays and I would love to know how players of (previously) proven quality such as Fernandes and Danns can be so completely marginalised in such a short time.

I also wonder if there are issues regarding the captaincy of the side......

The evidence of a clique was first brought to notices just over 18 months ago, when sections of the squad took sides over the Wayne Brown episode.

But it became more pronounced when Sousa arrived and started to reshape the side, in the process dropping players who had previously considered themselves untouchable. Some of them responded by submitting transfer requests (there are threads on here to document this), and the board responded by bringing in Abe and Waghorn (over Sousa's head) at the end of the 2010 summer window.

However, when results deteriorated and Sousa was removed, the transfer requests were immediately withdrawn. It's notable how Sven made loan signings during last season to strengthen every area of the side except the central midfield. Wonder why? After all, this time last year we were in a run of four straight away defeats, and the weaknesses that afflict the side now were arguably just as evident then.

The disappointing run-in to last season prompted Sven to make reinforcements, hence the arrival of Danns, Johnson and Fernandes. But team spirit and morale have been nowhere near the levels we should have expected. Players given the responsibility of leadership have frequently failed to provide it. Nor were they particularly well disposed towards helping new players settle, when the new arrivals were seen as potential rivals for their starting places and positions of influence.

Sven suggested (as apparently Sousa did before him) that players should move to live within a certain radius of the club (or at least the training ground). Certain northern-based players refused to accept this, and their protest was apparently a factor in forcing Sven's departure. In addition, rumours persist (which to my knowledge have not been denied) that several of these players were given a say on who Sven's successor should be. So it's no surprise their preference was for a figure who was familiar to them, and in many cases, had brought them to the club and given them the lucrative lifestyles to which they have become accustomed.

The wins over Palace and Blackpool suggested things were improving. But the last three games have seen a familiar pattern reassert itself. As Pearson must now surely be aware, the "trusted professionals" of two seasons ago have become older and in several cases, notably weaker. They are now tarnishing the club's reputation, and possibly Pearson's too, as well as their own.

[psychonaut]

The evidence of a clique was first brought to notices just over 18 months ago, when sections of the squad took sides over the Wayne Brown episode.

But it became more pronounced when Sousa arrived and started to reshape the side, in the process dropping players who had previously considered themselves untouchable. Some of them responded by submitting transfer requests (there are threads on here to document this), and the board responded by bringing in Abe and Waghorn (over Sousa's head) at the end of the 2010 summer window.

However, when results deteriorated and Sousa was removed, the transfer requests were immediately withdrawn. It's notable how Sven made loan signings during last season to strengthen every area of the side except the central midfield. Wonder why? After all, this time last year we were in a run of four straight away defeats, and the weaknesses that afflict the side now were arguably just as evident then.

The disappointing run-in to last season prompted Sven to make reinforcements, hence the arrival of Danns, Johnson and Fernandes. But team spirit and morale have been nowhere near the levels we should have expected. Players given the responsibility of leadership have frequently failed to provide it. Nor were they particularly well disposed towards helping new players settle, when the new arrivals were seen as potential rivals for their starting places and positions of influence.

Sven suggested (as apparently Sousa did before him) that players should move to live within a certain radius of the club (or at least the training ground). Certain northern-based players refused to accept this, and their protest was apparently a factor in forcing Sven's departure. In addition, rumours persist (which to my knowledge have not been denied) that several of these players were given a say on who Sven's successor should be. So it's no surprise their preference was for a figure who was familiar to them, and in many cases, had brought them to the club and given them the lucrative lifestyles to which they have become accustomed.

The wins over Palace and Blackpool suggested things were improving. But the last three games have seen a familiar pattern reassert itself. As Pearson must surely be aware, the "trusted professionals" of two seasons ago have become older and in several cases, notably weaker. They are now tarnishing the club's reputation as well as their own.

Good post! I think you have touched on something that is more common among football than most of us think. Especially when a club starts to opt for the revolving door with its managers whilst retaining (most of) the same players.

As you say it is quite clear no matter what manager we have a familiar pattern asserts itself. These players need to be up rooted and shipped out as soon as possible so not to further poison and dibilitate our sqaud from within crippling any chance of moving towards the goal that our owners aspire too. Rotton at the core comes to mind.

[marbelladave]

accessory

Little of the detail contained in your post is new to me but the suggestion that all of the issues stem fom the attitude of just 2 or 3 players is a little hard to believe.......

Given the number of players brought in I find myself wondering just why the troublesome players were not simply isolated and the new players given a run?

And why o why did Sven allow Wellens to take charge on the pitch and allow him to try and imitate Xavi Alonso ( a player so much more accomplished that they barely seem to be playing the same game ) in controlling the game from just in front of the back 4?

[Babylon]

The evidence of a clique was first brought to notices just over 18 months ago, when sections of the squad took sides over the Wayne Brown episode.

But it became more pronounced when Sousa arrived and started to reshape the side, in the process dropping players who had previously considered themselves untouchable. Some of them responded by submitting transfer requests (there are threads on here to document this), and the board responded by bringing in Abe and Waghorn (over Sousa's head) at the end of the 2010 summer window.

However, when results deteriorated and Sousa was removed, the transfer requests were immediately withdrawn. It's notable how Sven made loan signings during last season to strengthen every area of the side except the central midfield. Wonder why? After all, this time last year we were in a run of four straight away defeats, and the weaknesses that afflict the side now were arguably just as evident then.

The disappointing run-in to last season prompted Sven to make reinforcements, hence the arrival of Danns, Johnson and Fernandes. But team spirit and morale have been nowhere near the levels we should have expected. Players given the responsibility of leadership have frequently failed to provide it. Nor were they particularly well disposed towards helping new players settle, when the new arrivals were seen as potential rivals for their starting places and positions of influence.

Sven suggested (as apparently Sousa did before him) that players should move to live within a certain radius of the club (or at least the training ground). Certain northern-based players refused to accept this, and their protest was apparently a factor in forcing Sven's departure. In addition, rumours persist (which to my knowledge have not been denied) that several of these players were given a say on who Sven's successor should be. So it's no surprise their preference was for a figure who was familiar to them, and in many cases, had brought them to the club and given them the lucrative lifestyles to which they have become accustomed.

The wins over Palace and Blackpool suggested things were improving. But the last three games have seen a familiar pattern reassert itself. As Pearson must surely be aware, the "trusted professionals" of two seasons ago have become older and in several cases, notably weaker. They are now tarnishing the club's reputation as well as their own.

All rumour, here say and guess work. Something not being denied is not an admission of truth, you can't prove any of it and don't give me the "trusted sources" rubbish as half of this clap trap started on Bentleys, and their sources have usually proven themselves to be full of shit.

If Wellens was as bad as the picture you paint he would have been isolated and got rid of. Not handed a new contract and played continually by pretty much all managers as he has been. The manger and the board run the club, not Wellens. To have two managers and two different boards running scared of one player (which is what you are suggesting) is utter nonsense.

[Guest Col city fan]

All rumour, here say and guess work. Something not being denied is not an admission of truth, you can't prove any of it and don't give me the "trusted

sources" rubbish as half of this clap trap started on Bentleys, and their sources have usually proven themselves to be full of shit.

If Wellens was as bad as the picture you paint he would have been isolated and got rid of. Not handed a new contract and played continually by

pretty much all managers as he has been. The manger and the board run the club, not Wellens. To have two managers and two different boards running scared of one player (which is what you are suggesting) is utter nonsense.

Absolutely right!! Who do people on here think Wellens is? Al Capone?

Did he threaten not to kill Sousa himself but Mrs Sousa and his kids if he were dropped?

Fooks sake....

[Guest Col city fan]

Think the biggest problem we have at the moment is the fact we have a squad full of players who have nothing to prove, no motivation. All or most of Sven's signings were bought as already successful in their own right players

whom will be on high enough wages to not be too concerned about playing to their absolute best because they're comfortably paid and there isn't an incentive to do better. That's the issue with having the money we have.

I just hope Pearson buys/uses players who have

yet to reach their potential and therefore have reason to succeed further in their careers - not just young players, but those who have not lived up to their expectations in other clubs, something that will give them reason to prove themselves. Hate to fall partial to the cliche, but players like Schlupp and dare I say Waghorn fall under this

criteria - not that I'm completely advocating them automatically getting games before Beckford and Nugent, but they will certainly have that fire within to prove themselves.

I made this point a few weeks ago.

Younger, hungry players who are wanting to improve themselves and earn more money are the ones to go for IMO.

City has always had more success when the bulk of the team has been this type of player.

[fox_favourite]

I personally believe that what is needed is some young blood in the team.

We all saw the the impact Naughton & VA had on the team last season. They both had flair and had bags of energy. I think this is what we are missing as a team. I think bring in some young wingers and you will be surprised at the reaction of the rest of the team. They will have to work harder to match them & they will look like a new team. Im not suggesting whole sale changes just some wingers.

I believe Pearson and his team will bring in some fresh faces and then we can really go 4 it. Mayb someone like Brady, just someone with a bit of spark. Walsh found them before in Cleverley. we need the positivity back & i fully believe it will come soon enough and the results will follow.

[accessory]

Great teams have a core of key players who can encourage, motivate and inspire their colleagues, even when things are going badly. We've seen it in the past under MON with players like Steve Walsh, Matt Elliott and Neil Lennon, all of whom had a positive impact on the club and wanted to contribute to its success.

However, in circumstances where key players lack the most basic of leadership skills (as has been proved time after time this season), the reverse can be the case. Spirits and morale can be lowered as well as lifted. Some members of the squad can even exert a negative impact on the team by their very presence. Dare we mention the name of Dennis Wise from a decade ago?

Some of the old guard actually fear success of the club, because they know that would mean they'd have to move on. So they'd rather stay in their comfort zone, collecting their inflated salaries year in year out, while the club stagnates in the lower leagues.

Such delusions of adequacy need to be dispelled. The manager must bring in some more hungry young talent eager to prove themselves, rather than continue to indulge failing journeymen.