EnderbyFox Posted 22 December 2011 Posted 22 December 2011 I cant see the vid cos Im on my phone.. What i would say is dont live in the past mate... Judge the player that you see now... Certain players do ok at certain clubs but not at others. And some players lose what they had over the years. I'd like to talk about Beckford at Leicester City rather than at other clubs.. And I stand by what I've said about him here at Leicester. His all round game has been awful. I accept that, but i maintain the opinion that if he had adequate service he would be a prolific striker for us.
Guest Col city fan Posted 22 December 2011 Posted 22 December 2011 I accept that, but i maintain the opinion that if he had adequate service he would be a prolific striker for us. No problem... You keep that hope.. I'd rather assess on what I've seen since he's joined City. As an aside, I hope you are right and I'm wrong cos I'd love to see ANY player scoring lots of the goals for the club. I don't think Nige fancies him much though to be honest, which is what really matters of course.
Salieri Posted 22 December 2011 Posted 22 December 2011 Stick to the 'Beckford Off' thread Col, this is a love-in, your sort aren't welcome. He WILL stay, he WILL score lots of goals, we WILL get promoted. And I WILL stop drinking. Just one more pint.....
Guest Col city fan Posted 22 December 2011 Posted 22 December 2011 Stick to the 'Beckford Off' thread Col, this is a love-in, your sort aren't welcome. He WILL stay, he WILL score lots of goals, we WILL get promoted. And I WILL stop drinking. Just one more pint..... Hehe that your new years resolution Piggy?
Salieri Posted 22 December 2011 Posted 22 December 2011 Hehe that your new years resolution Piggy? That, and placing you on ignore.
Guest Col city fan Posted 22 December 2011 Posted 22 December 2011 That, and placing you on ignore. Oh don't be such a mardy arse... lol
paddy Agyemang Posted 22 December 2011 Author Posted 22 December 2011 Torres takes his tracksuit off and already Chelsea fans start sing for him brilliant support for the guy. in tonights game Let's do it for Beckford
lcfc matt Posted 22 December 2011 Posted 22 December 2011 Torres takes his tracksuit off and already Chelsea fans start sing for him brilliant support for the guy. in tonights game Let's do it for Beckford I agree let's get behind the lad give him support
acooling08 Posted 22 December 2011 Posted 22 December 2011 Torres takes his tracksuit off and already Chelsea fans start sing for him brilliant support for the guy. in tonights game Let's do it for Beckford Or we could try supporting the players on the pitch who haven't been shit this season.
Libertine Dream Posted 22 December 2011 Posted 22 December 2011 Or we could try supporting the players on the pitch who haven't been shit this season. Well that will be Kasper, Peltier, Konchesky and Nugent then
Corky Posted 22 December 2011 Posted 22 December 2011 Or we could try supporting the players on the pitch who haven't been shit this season. We do.
foxes2011 Posted 22 December 2011 Posted 22 December 2011 id invest in two cm players that are quality and get rid of some of the rubish, along with two wide men and one striker. players like Kebe,Another winger,Maynard, one ball winning cm and one playmaker cm
Got Any Uncle Ben's? Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 Agree completely, he's not the type of striker to create something out of nothing. give it too him on a plate and he will finish, as showed time and time again at Leeds. Creativity is our problem. Actually, quite the contrary. Remember watching this when it was on, and thinking we should try and sign him. That really is making something out of nothing, brilliant finish too
Jace Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 We need more threads like this seeing the positives in players rather than the negatives, I do see Cols point in Beckford he is quite a difficult striker to understand. He doesn't have any major outright qualities yet at times at other clubs shows moments of brilliance. I think Pearson is abit unsure what to do with him, but I certainly don't want him to leave because if he does I'm sure he will again end up performing at a level better than what we are doing
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 We need more threads like this seeing the positives in players rather than the negatives, I do see Cols point in Beckford he is quite a difficult striker to understand. He doesn't have any major outright qualities yet at times at other clubs show s moments of brilliance. I think Pearson is abit unsure what to do with him, but I certainly don't want him to leave because if he does I'm sure he will again end up performing at a level better than what we are doing I agree with you Jace actually.. The forum has been hugely negative recently and the 'murder' of Wellens on here is a case in point. I genuinely hope Beckford comes good and shows us all the promise that he had/has... In exactly the same way as Wellens pulls his fookin socks up and starts to generate some of his previous form. I see no reason why both can't contribute to a better second half to the season. However, I do think that Nige don't fancy Becks and would not be surprised to see him leave. Time will tell Jace
Jace Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 I agree with you Jace actually.. The forum has been hugely negative recently and the 'murder' of Wellens on here is a case in point. I genuinely hope Beckford comes good and shows us all the promise that he had/has... In exactly the same way as Wellens pulls his fookin socks up and starts to generate some of his previous form. I see no reason why both can't contribute to a better second half to the season. However, I do think that Nige don't fancy Becks and would not be surprised to see him leave. Time will tell Jace I think Nigel was abit confused when he found Beckford trying to improve his box work by copying Kasper in training....
MrSpaM Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 We should aim to keep Beckford really, absolutely no doubt he's got the skills to be a decent player, things just haven't been falling into place right since he got here. I think we'd really struggle to get somebody in who is any better than an on form Beckford, we've just got the be patient whilst he gets up to form. I'll put my hands up and say I thought he had a bad attitude and stuff before he came here, but I can honestly say he's completely changed my views since he arrived. He genuinely wants to do well for us.
crafty fox Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 anyone who knows a bit of knowledge about football can clearly see this guy has got something. i watch his overall play off the ball and some of the moves and runs he makes go completely over our midfielders heads, the only player ive genuinely seen spot his runs and try to pass to him is kasper and 70 yrd passes are not always going to work, there is a certain amount of frustration which i can understand why supporters are getting annoyed with him when he wastes a chance but i think alot of that is down to him trying to hard to score. he's good with both feet and can head , all round great ability but not being used to his strengths, he needs service and good service the rest will come!
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 anyone who knows a bit of knowledge about football can clearly see this guy has got something. i watch his overall play off the ball and some of the moves and runs he makes go completely over our midfielders heads, the only player ive genuinely seen spot his runs and try to pass to him is kasper and 70 yrd passes are not always going to work, there is a certain amount of frustration which i can understand why supporters are getting annoyed with him when he wastes a chance but i think alot of that is down to him trying to hard to score. he's good with both feet and can head , all round great ability but not being used to his strengths, he needs service and good service the rest will come! You ain't watching the same player as me then... I do agree that some of his runs, which aren't always picked out by our 'creative' players smack of a player with a decent footballing brain. But his 'all round' ability has been shocking! His first touch, though sometimes good, usually ends up in the ball running away from him. His runs with the ball usually end up down blind alleys and he gets blown over by the merest hint of an opposition challenge. Finally, service or not, his goal tally is awful for what was purported to be our 'top striker'... I think you are hoping he will fulfill his potential with us.. Like we all are... We all want City to do well don't we? But to say his all round ability has been great so far in a City shirt... Pull the other one! I know it's the festive period but do you really think we fell of last years Christmas tree? Fingers crossed he'll get more service and improve.... Or I reckon he will be gone
oadby_fox723 Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 anyone who knows a bit of knowledge about football can clearly see this guy has got something. i watch his overall play off the ball and some of the moves and runs he makes go completely over our midfielders heads, the only player ive genuinely seen spot his runs and try to pass to him is kasper and 70 yrd passes are not always going to work, there is a certain amount of frustration which i can understand why supporters are getting annoyed with him when he wastes a chance but i think alot of that is down to him trying to hard to score. he's good with both feet and can head , all round great ability but not being used to his strengths, he needs service and good service the rest will come! This. I've been watching his off the ball runs too, and he isn't doing an awful lot wrong. He is just simply not getting the service when in space, and when he does get the ball, it is usually a poor pass, or he can't do a lot with the ball and we lose possession. He isn't a player to drop back into midfield, he is at his best on the shoulder of the last defender and utilising his pace, which is electric. Again we shouldn't be relying on Kasper picking him out all the time either. Every now and again when the big kick is on can be very effective. That chance he had against P'boro when he hit the post, that is more like the ball that he can be effective with. Running onto the ball and striking it. He was unlucky to hit the post and the ball bounced away to safety. Again, similar ball when he got the opener against Palace, Wellens slid him in and he ran onto it to slot it in, took it first time. He isn't going to drop into midfield to help with the build up, but he can't be out on the left wing like he was against Donny either. He isn't a player a la Rooney to track back when he loses possession, Nugent does and Beckford doesn't but not every forward is the same.
Kitchandro Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 It isn't as black and white as the midfield being the problem I'm afraid. There are two sides to it. Beckford has been very out of form since he's been here. He's missed sitters. Open goals even. His first touch has been woeful. He's constantly made the wrong choices when he's had the ball. His hold up play is dreadful. And in some games, his movement and effort has been lacking. These things cannot be blamed on the midfield. I don't want him to be sold, he can finish, and he does need better service. But Nugent has looked better on the whole and has scored more goals, and he's had the same service. So it can't be all down to that. The reason Beckford can't do anything without service is simply because his game is very limited. He has improved in recent games and arguably he's been unlucky not to score, but he still should have scored and set up one against Peterborough. Overall he hasn't been good enough. I'm not going to scapegoat and I'm going to say that both Beckford and the midfield have been shite. Is it ok to suggest there might be more than one problem with our team?
Guest ttfn Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 Clearly I am not seeing all this brilliant off the ball work. I rarely see him make a good run. More often than not he peels off the back of his marker into a wider area, diagonally opposite to the player on the ball. This is all well and good if you've got Xabi Alonso in central midfield, but not with almost all other footballers. A good centre forward would run the channels ahead of the man in possession rather than hiding behind a centre-back in the hardest to reach position with a pass. One poster commented that only Schmeichel is seeing these runs. The reason for this is 2-fold: 1) Schmeichel can reach him because he has an enormous kick. 2) Schmeichel has time and the perspective to see the whole pitch. Anyone can run into space. I could do that. It's about running into the right space; the space where your team-mates can reasonably be expected to find you. Beckford simply isn't doing that, and it's a lot of the reason moves are breaking down in the midfield. What is JB offering the team? He's not (to my mind) making decent runs off the ball, his touch with his back to goal is poor, his awareness of his teammates' positions is virtually non-existent, and he's bagged 2 goals so far, so he's hardly been prolific. He's fast, yes, and as I've commented previously I admire him taking responsibilty to shoot when others pass the buck, but otherwise, is he really influencing the team positively? Does he look like he will? Here's a guy with 10 goals in 59 games above League One level. And yet people in here are seriously suggesting he's going to fire us to the play-offs? Pull the other one.
Hirsty The Blue 94 Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 Needs a mobile version of Howard to play with Beckford as a pair, but where does that leave Nugent? Can't really justify dropping argueable our best player this season to accomadate Beckford.
Happy Fox Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 StringerSport Ian Stringer Pearson this afternoon on Beckford linked with a move away from #lcfc "that's news to me, as far as I'm concerned there's nothing in it" In other words he is off
bluearmyfox23 Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 "Happyfox " how on earth did u come to that conclusion?!
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