Amin Posted 18 November 2012 Posted 18 November 2012 Rumours are going round that Ferrari are going to change Massa's gearbox to trigger a 5-place grid penalty which will promote Alonso to 7th and the clean side of the grid.
anotherharboroughfox Posted 18 November 2012 Posted 18 November 2012 Rumours are going round that Ferrari are going to change Massa's gearbox to trigger a 5-place grid penalty which will promote Alonso to 7th and the clean side of the grid. clever by them if true.
Jimothy Posted 18 November 2012 Posted 18 November 2012 Rumours are going round that Ferrari are going to change Massa's gearbox to trigger a 5-place grid penalty which will promote Alonso to 7th and the clean side of the grid. Good plan if true. He'll still have the chuckle brothers behind him though, so he'll have to put his foot down clean side of the track or not.
Amin Posted 18 November 2012 Posted 18 November 2012 It's official: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20386671
isaidno Posted 18 November 2012 Posted 18 November 2012 I don't think it says in the rule book that your deliberately allowed to break your gearbox. Cheating.
isaidno Posted 18 November 2012 Posted 18 November 2012 Red bull could do the same to webber , pushing Alonso back onto the dirty side !
Asha Posted 18 November 2012 Posted 18 November 2012 clever by them if true. Very clever. Promotes Alonso a place and now both are on the clean side of the grid. It's not really cheating. Massa would have been made to move over for Alonso at some stage anyway. Let's not pretend that McLaren or Red Bull wouldn't be thinking outside the box too in this exact same situation.
Amin Posted 18 November 2012 Posted 18 November 2012 I don't think it says in the rule book that your deliberately allowed to break your gearbox. Cheating. Yeah, but does it say that you can't break your own gearbox in the rule book? It's just a case of finding loopholes in the rules to help your own cause, just like Red Bull did in the last race with Vettel.
Guest shearfox Posted 18 November 2012 Posted 18 November 2012 Very clever. Promotes Alonso a place and now both are on the clean side of the grid. It's not really cheating. Massa would have been made to move over for Alonso at some stage anyway. Let's not pretend that McLaren or Red Bull wouldn't be thinking outside the box too in this exact same situation. McLaren wouldn't....
Asha Posted 18 November 2012 Posted 18 November 2012 McLaren wouldn't.... Yeah, because McLaren have never done anything remotely unsporting.
Amin Posted 18 November 2012 Posted 18 November 2012 Yeah, because McLaren have never done anything remotely unsporting. McLaren would probably change the wrong driver's gearbox by accident.
Asha Posted 18 November 2012 Posted 18 November 2012 Haha, very true I still think it'll be irrelevant anyway, Maldonado and Grosjean both right behind Alonso will be dangerous. Think they'll be a first corner accident.
Brainy Posted 18 November 2012 Posted 18 November 2012 Very clever. Promotes Alonso a place and now both are on the clean side of the grid. It's not really cheating. Massa would have been made to move over for Alonso at some stage anyway. Let's not pretend that McLaren or Red Bull wouldn't be thinking outside the box too in this exact same situation. There is a difference between thinking and doing.
isaidno Posted 18 November 2012 Posted 18 November 2012 So it's a showdown in Brazil where anything can happen , just ask Felipe Massa
Amin Posted 18 November 2012 Posted 18 November 2012 Great race-long battle between Vettel and Hamilton and some good overtaking up and down field.
Jimmy Posted 18 November 2012 Posted 18 November 2012 what was it Vettel said when Lewis overtook him?
Amin Posted 18 November 2012 Posted 18 November 2012 what was it Vettel said when Lewis overtook him? He was complaining about the back markers holding him up. He was definitely hindered by the back markers but I have a feeling Hamilton would have had him in those last few laps regardless.
Brainy Posted 18 November 2012 Posted 18 November 2012 Spotted a car ahead of both Vettel and Hamilton after they exited turn 1. Next time we saw them a HRT was getting out of the way on the outside of the long right hander and Hamilton was as close as he had ever been. Fair to say that Karthikeyan hasn't done many Vettel many favours this season, he cost him a handful of points in Malaysia too.
Amin Posted 18 November 2012 Posted 18 November 2012 Loved this pass from Kimi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKzh3ua3lxg&list=UUtSYG5d_rFkfcvBR7CGuz2Q&index=1&feature=plcp Button had quite a few quality overtakes as well.
Amin Posted 20 November 2012 Posted 20 November 2012 BBC has been doing a countdown of the 20 greatest drivers over the season and they have finally completed the countdown. Clicking each link will take you to a BBC profile of the driver with a video of Murray Walker giving his opinions on each one. Number 1 - Ayrton Senna Number 2 - Juan Manuel Fangio Number 3 - Jim Clark Number 4 - Michael Schumacher Number 5 - Alain Prost Number 6 - Sir Stirling Moss Number 7 - Sir Jackie Stewart Number 8 - Sebastian Vettel Number 9 - Niki Lauda Number 10 - Fernando Alonso Number 11 - Alberto Ascari Number 12 - Gilles Villeneuve Number 13 - Nigel Mansell Number 14 - Mika Hakkinen Number 15 - Lewis Hamilton Number 16 - Nelson Piquet Number 17 - Emerson Fittipaldi Number 18 - Jack Brabham Number 19 - Graham Hill Number 20 - Jochen Rindt
Jimothy Posted 20 November 2012 Posted 20 November 2012 BBC has been doing a countdown of the 20 greatest drivers over the season and they have finally completed the countdown. Clicking each link will take you to a BBC profile of the driver with a video of Murray Walker giving his opinions on each one. Number 1 - Ayrton Senna Number 2 - Juan Manuel Fangio Number 3 - Jim Clark Number 4 - Michael Schumacher Number 5 - Alain Prost Number 6 - Sir Stirling Moss Number 7 - Sir Jackie Stewart Number 8 - Sebastian Vettel Number 9 - Niki Lauda Number 10 - Fernando Alonso Number 11 - Alberto Ascari Number 12 - Gilles Villeneuve Number 13 - Nigel Mansell Number 14 - Mika Hakkinen Number 15 - Lewis Hamilton Number 16 - Nelson Piquet Number 17 - Emerson Fittipaldi Number 18 - Jack Brabham Number 19 - Graham Hill Number 20 - Jochen Rindt I think Vettel is a bit high and could possibly be swapped with Alonso. I've not watched Walker's videos yet though, so maybe there's an incite he gives as to why they've been put in that order.
Asha Posted 20 November 2012 Posted 20 November 2012 I think Vettel is a bit high and could possibly be swapped with Alonso. I've not watched Walker's videos yet though, so maybe there's an incite he gives as to why they've been put in that order. I think the key BBC F1 people picked their top 20, and from all their lists this was the combined top 20. I agree about Vettel, but I also think there's a case of the British drivers all being over-considered, as naturally those picking the list would probably be British. I know Clark did fantastic things, but Schumacher is statistically the best driver in F1 history, and to only be fourth...? And what's Hamilton done to be rated above Piquet and Brabham who have each won two titles more? Maybe he should be below Fittipaldi too...
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