Cruss5 Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Its such a shame now that throughout football everybody expects instant success. I undesrtand that owners put lots of money into clubs now and expect results from that but i think its sad that as a game that we all love (or we wouldn't be on here) has changed so much. Long gone of the days of buying reserve players or unknown players who turn out to be superstars for a club. Look at the team O'Neill put together, lots of the players were from lower leagues or the likes of Izzet and not even played a first team game. But they fitted as a team. He was on a win win situation there because if the players hadn't performed then the cost was little, but if and when they did the rewards were fantastic. We don't see very often anymore players coming through from lower leagues and making a name for themselves in the bigger leagues. I believe that players don't become bad (beckford), i just think that they don't fit that team. Torres cost 50m but doesn't fit with Chelsea, he's not a bad player. Plus its not his fault chelsea paid that much for him. I'm sure Pearson has scouts in all leagues but sometimes the answer isn't buying the popular players like Sharp,Kebe,whittingham etc but maybe the players with the right attitude. Someone who will sit in the changing room and tell under performers to buck there ideas up. Or are the players just here for the money? Pearson does look under pressure, he shouldn't be at this stage as he has only been here for a couple of months or so. I'm not a fan of him but i don't agree with the idea of sacking him.
cc_star Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Is this the first sensible post on FoxesTalk over the past couple of weeks? I think so
dog_4 Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 we seem to be going after players with no ego's ie matt marshall and billy sharp! which is great! just be patient people! ive got faith the last two weeks of the window will bring people's spirits back up!
THEFATBASTARD Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 your missing the point, we can salvage this season..there is room for a least two more sackings before the end of the season.
Cruss5 Posted 15 January 2012 Author Posted 15 January 2012 your missing the point, we can salvage this season..there is room for a least two more sackings before the end of the season. haha Your pushing it Only 2
Matt Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Long gone of the days of buying reserve players or unknown players who turn out to be superstars for a club. Look at the team O'Neill put together, lots of the players were from lower leagues or the likes of Izzet and not even played a first team game. But they fitted as a team. He was on a win win situation there because if the players hadn't performed then the cost was little, but if and when they did the rewards were fantastic. Erm, Wasn't there protests for O'Neill to be sacked early into his Leicester reign? Just that he managed to turn it round and the rest is history. So as far as I can see the fans haven't changed much. Yes you're right, sacking managers isn't the way to go about it, I agree, but i'm disagree with your point that nowadays people expect instant success, I think it's always been the case really.
Happy Fox Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 My suggestion is to bring in lower league players league one and two and the conference Here is a couple of names you have probably never heard off Liam Hearn ( Grimsby) Nick Powell ( Crewe) Ashley Westwood ( Crewe) Max Clayton ( Crewe) Liam Palmer ( Sheffield Wednesday) etc you get my drift their is a abundance of talent and these lads will be hungry individuals who will want to fight for promotion.
Mack Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Couple of points. Firstly I dont think Beckford has ever been prolific beyond Division 3, and even Leeds fans will tell you he was lazy. Secondly I think Pearson is making a mistake targeting players from rival clubs in our division because they just wont want to sell, and especially not in January. Pearson knew what the owners were expecting of him before he signed his contract so he shouldn't be surprised now it's gone tits over his is under the pump. Culture in this country in general has moved towards instant gratification, and I agree with you it's a bad thing especially if you claim to support a club, it's the World we live in.
thybluefox Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Wonder what everyone's feeling would have been had the new owners come in and said "We're going to spend a season or two rebuilding and slowly create a premiership club".
Cruss5 Posted 15 January 2012 Author Posted 15 January 2012 Not saying Beckford has been prolific, but now he is looking a bad player. Just saying he isn't a bad player but not fitting into the team. Playing in a team is not just about performances in the pitch, if you don't gel with the people your spending alot of time with you struggle to perform with them.
Nickfosse Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Very much agree with the OP. Problem is, I think we are so far off at the moment that we are pobably talking about an 18 month project to get anywhere near the levels required to progress. I worry that owners and fans are not prepared for such an exercise.
rico Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Didn't we all laugh at Derby when they were buying lower-league players,looks like the last laughs on us now
J.Lisemore Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 I agree with Happy about looking around the lower leagues for talent. The main thing is, is to try form a TEAM who are willing to fight for each other and battle till the end.Its not going to happen overnight though and as alot of people have stated, this season is a write off.
inckley fox Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Agree entirely. We need 'young hungry players' (Levein '05!). I think our transfer targets have been unrealistic; what we need is to target players with a point to prove and who are likely to improve, rather than 'quick fix' solutions. This will probably depend on the patience of the board. It would also require us to be patient with Pearson. I'm shocked by some of the comments about how Sven was able to attract far superior players who'd all been successful. I think we failed to wrap up some even quite modest signings under Sven (eg Maynard, Routledge) and many of the high-profile buys and loans were dreadful (Kirkland, Bednar, Kamara, Bruma, Beckford, Fernandes, Johnson, Ball, Ricardo). Even with his better signings few of them have won a great deal in their careers (eg Naughton, Peltier, Nugent, Bamba, Vassell, Schmeichel, Danns, Mills). He acquired experience as opposed to success. In fact, he never permanently signed anyone below 25 years of age. A change of transfer policy is a good idea at this point, and might do wonders for our wage bill. Some of the finest (and worst) signings in our history have come from the lower leagues and I'd like to see more of an inclination to dip into them.
Nickfosse Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Wonder what everyone's feeling would have been had the new owners come in and said "We're going to spend a season or two rebuilding and slowly create a premiership club". No word of a lie, I would have been delighted. I think anyone who has any insight into English football would know it is the only way to make progress. It was why some of us found the summer spree so uncomfortable, but every time we tried to raise it , particularly with regards to comments about clubs we were tring to buy players from, we were shot down with billy-big voices talking about being massive. I would be delighted if the owners would come out and say that they now saw Leicester City as a long-term project and would be backing Pearson through thick and thin because they realised it was the only way to get there. For a host of reasons, there are no short-cuts in the Championship.
Cruss5 Posted 15 January 2012 Author Posted 15 January 2012 Overnight success doesn't happen. Man City and Chelsea are facts of that, yes i think they will do it eventually but it has taken a couple of seasons already (in Man City's case). But all the top premiership clubs have spent millions, whatever redknapp say's he has done the same all be it over a longer time.
Cruss5 Posted 15 January 2012 Author Posted 15 January 2012 For a host of reasons, there are no short-cuts in the Championship. I don't agree...... Holloway found us a short cut
cc_star Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Wonder what everyone's feeling would have been had the new owners come in and said "We're going to spend a season or two rebuilding and slowly create a premiership club". I'd have been delighted at the time Would be feeling a tad down after some of the poor performances and be waiting to the end of this transfer window to see if we can move on some players so we can bring some in & kick on for the rest of the season Like I said in another thread, it's not just sub-standard performances... it's expectation that also contributes to the overly negative feeling that seems to be doing the rounds
Cruss5 Posted 15 January 2012 Author Posted 15 January 2012 Like I said in another thread, it's not just sub-standard performances... it's expectation that also contributes to the overly negative feeling that seems to be doing the rounds Spot on If we had no money we would be saying that the season isn't going too bad and we have the chance of the playoffs
Nickfosse Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 I don't agree...... Holloway found us a short cut I appreciate your irony but Holloway only finished a job that began with Mandaric dispensing with Worthington, purchasing players before we had a manager in place, sacking Allen after four games, appointing Megson, and then Holloway. If ever we need a reminder of what managerial chaos at all top levels causes, that was our year.
Cruss5 Posted 15 January 2012 Author Posted 15 January 2012 I appreciate your irony but Holloway only finished a job that began with Mandaric dispensing with Worthington, purchasing players before we had a manager in place, sacking Allen after four games, appointing Megson, and then Holloway. If ever we need a reminder of what managerial chaos at all top levels causes, that was our year. I know Sorry, it was just a bit of sarcasm Horrible year
Nickfosse Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 I know Sorry, it was just a bit of sarcasm Horrible year No need to apologise, I got your gallows humour. I laughed too. It just raises something that so many seemed to have forgot, that managerial change chaos and owner panic achieves nothing but decline.
flowwolf Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 The Hull board, players and fans must all be wearing nappy's after the amount of pissing themselves they must be doing.
Lineker's Left Foot Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Its such a shame now that throughout football everybody expects instant success. I undesrtand that owners put lots of money into clubs now and expect results from that but i think its sad that as a game that we all love (or we wouldn't be on here) has changed so much. Long gone of the days of buying reserve players or unknown players who turn out to be superstars for a club. Look at the team O'Neill put together, lots of the players were from lower leagues or the likes of Izzet and not even played a first team game. But they fitted as a team. He was on a win win situation there because if the players hadn't performed then the cost was little, but if and when they did the rewards were fantastic. We don't see very often anymore players coming through from lower leagues and making a name for themselves in the bigger leagues. I believe that players don't become bad (beckford), i just think that they don't fit that team. Torres cost 50m but doesn't fit with Chelsea, he's not a bad player. Plus its not his fault chelsea paid that much for him. I'm sure Pearson has scouts in all leagues but sometimes the answer isn't buying the popular players like Sharp,Kebe,whittingham etc but maybe the players with the right attitude. Someone who will sit in the changing room and tell under performers to buck there ideas up. Or are the players just here for the money? Pearson does look under pressure, he shouldn't be at this stage as he has only been here for a couple of months or so. I'm not a fan of him but i don't agree with the idea of sacking him. Good post mate, but you know what and as I've said earlier, I really would love us to start taking a punt on young, hungry players from L1, L2 or even the Nationwide Conference - maybe James Vardy?? - rather than players here for one last pay day.... to some extent, I'm actually jealous of some of those teams using these types of players and having some success. I'm sure Walshy and the rest of the scouts are out there doing the business, but if not already, maybe the League of Ireland may offer some little gem too - I mean Roy Keane, Kevin Doyle, Shane Long and even Gary Deegan have done well.
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