z-layrex Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 26,000 a year is the max anyone would get. It's the minimum amoint in benefits that is more of a concern. My daughter lives alone and gets JSA £55 a week (£2860 pa or just over a tenth of the proposed max allowance). She currently can't afford to pay for gas and electricity and food. She also has to pay water rates and house insurance, it certainly comes down to "eat or heat" for her. She has had to give up her TV as she can't afford the licence fee. (We intend to subsidise her for this) She uses charity shops for the few clothes she buys. She has a PAYG phone but is for incoming calls only as she never has credit. Granted, she is on housing benefit but without it she would be homeless She can't live with us for reasons I'm not going to disclose here It's not all high living for those on benefits. I agree it needs a review but there are plenty on benefits who do not get close to 26,000 a year And why doesn't she work? (Hope that's not a rude question)
danny. Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 Ahem. Cut out the beer, ciggies and tobacco and you find, what about £82 a week? Hmm?? Cut out Sky TV and mobile phones for a further saving! £76/week for a 3 bed house is pretty awesome too. And to think, if the bothered to work he could get even more money. Could any of the 6 kids not get a part time job, paper round etc. to help out? My heart bleeds for the man.
hairy Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 Ahem. Cut out the beer, ciggies and tobacco and you find, what about £82 a week? Hmm?? Love the way he knows the size of his house.
Guest MattP Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 Raymond, a former educational software writer, has been jobless since 2001. His wife Katherine suffers from bipolar disorder with an anxiety disorder and is also unable to work. Got the full works hasnt she? An "anxiety disorder" - what absolute plum came up with that as an excuse to dole out free cash?
Parafox Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 And why doesn't she work? (Hope that's not a rude question) She has tried to find work after finishing a college course, unfortunately she has mild personality disorder not quite on the Autism spectrum and can be aggressive and have some behavioural problems which have gained her a police record... Sadly not the best candidate for an employer
Guest MattP Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 She has tried to find work after finishing a college course, unfortunately she has mild personality disorder not quite on the Autism spectrum and can be aggressive and have some behavioural problems which have gained her a police record... Sadly not the best candidate for an employer So she's a thug basically?
Leicfox Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 I don't usually get involved with slagging people off on the internet but for christ sake MattP you are a ****.
Guest MattP Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 I don't usually get involved with slagging people off on the internet but for christ sake MattP you are a ****. Thanks. Couldnt care less what people think to be quite honest, everyone in the world in this day and age has an excuse for everything they say or do, it's pathetic, 20 years ago you would have been told to pull yourself together. Maybe I'm a **** because I've got tourettes? Who knows? I'm sure there will be a cacoffiny of liberals queuing up to diagnose me with something if they had the chance.
danny. Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 Thanks. Couldnt care less what people think to be quite honest, everyone in the world in this day and age has an excuse for everything they say or do, it's pathetic, 20 years ago you would have been told to pull yourself together. Maybe I'm a **** because I've got tourettes? Who knows? I'm sure there will be a cacoffiny of liberals queuing up to diagnose me with something if they had the chance. I have diagnosed you with eSocial interaction difficulty disorder
Guest MattP Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 I have diagnosed you with eSocial interaction difficulty disorder I like it, where do I claim?
Guest MattP Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 Breaking News. 334-251 to overturn the decision, 82 majority. Common Sense prevails.
I am Rod Hull Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 I like it, where do I claim? If you`re a white heterosexual born in England, you can`t
Parafox Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 So she's a thug basically? You know nothing about her or her mental health problems.
Leicfox Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 Thanks. Couldnt care less what people think to be quite honest, everyone in the world in this day and age has an excuse for everything they say or do, it's pathetic, 20 years ago you would have been told to pull yourself together. Maybe I'm a **** because I've got tourettes? Who knows? I'm sure there will be a cacoffiny of liberals queuing up to diagnose me with something if they had the chance. I'll tell you why I'm so pissed off. I've worked all my life since leaving school including serving in the armed services but 6 months ago I had a big nervous breakdown at work that has since turned into serious impulsive self-harm, depression, anxiety, anger, which has led me to try and take my own life twice which I'm ashamed of as I have a loving wife and a 12yr old daughter. I don't want to die, the illness made me so down with myself I just didn't care. Before I suffered the breakdown I thought depression and mental illness and the likes were a pull yourself together thing as you do, but believe me I wish it was that simple, I really do. I hate what I have with a passion, I don't understand it and wish it away every day but with the help I'm receiving I will beat it, but It's a slow and painful process in my case. My wife works and while I'm receiving treatment I get ESA of £90 a week. We don't claim Housing and Council Tax benefit but do get a little in working tax credits and child benefit. Should I not be entitled to this money, because I need to pull myself together, do you not think I've tried? My point is, it annoys me that people can instantly judge others without knowing how crippling metal illnesses can be. Ps..I apologise for my outburst earlier.
Guest MattP Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 I'll tell you why I'm so pissed off. I've worked all my life since leaving school including serving in the armed services but 6 months ago I had a big nervous breakdown at work that has since turned into serious impulsive self-harm, depression, anxiety, anger, which has led me to try and take my own life twice which I'm ashamed of as I have a loving wife and a 12yr old daughter. I don't want to die, the illness made me so down with myself I just didn't care. Before I suffered the breakdown I thought depression and mental illness and the likes were a pull yourself together thing as you do, but believe me I wish it was that simple, I really do. I hate what I have with a passion, I don't understand it and wish it away every day but with the help I'm receiving I will beat it, but It's a slow and painful process in my case. My wife works and while I'm receiving treatment I get ESA of £90 a week. We don't claim Housing and Council Tax benefit but do get a little in working tax credits and child benefit. Should I not be entitled to this money, because I need to pull myself together, do you not think I've tried? My point is, it annoys me that people can instantly judge others without knowing how crippling metal illnesses can be. Ps..I apologise for my outburst earlier. No problem. Thank you for the post, very interesting read and an eye opener.
Jon the Hat Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 I'll tell you why I'm so pissed off. I've worked all my life since leaving school including serving in the armed services but 6 months ago I had a big nervous breakdown at work that has since turned into serious impulsive self-harm, depression, anxiety, anger, which has led me to try and take my own life twice which I'm ashamed of as I have a loving wife and a 12yr old daughter. I don't want to die, the illness made me so down with myself I just didn't care. Before I suffered the breakdown I thought depression and mental illness and the likes were a pull yourself together thing as you do, but believe me I wish it was that simple, I really do. I hate what I have with a passion, I don't understand it and wish it away every day but with the help I'm receiving I will beat it, but It's a slow and painful process in my case. My wife works and while I'm receiving treatment I get ESA of £90 a week. We don't claim Housing and Council Tax benefit but do get a little in working tax credits and child benefit. Should I not be entitled to this money, because I need to pull myself together, do you not think I've tried? My point is, it annoys me that people can instantly judge others without knowing how crippling metal illnesses can be. Ps..I apologise for my outburst earlier. Don't apologise, he deserved it. The thing that pisses me off, is that rather than recognise that benefits are being spent on some of the wrong people, and at the wrong levels, so many of our wonderful politicians are playing politics and slagging of the Tory cuts. Painful. Plenty of experience in my family of depression among other things, and you have my best wishes for a speedy recovery.
Guest MattP Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 MPs have backed the government's plans for a £26,000 annual cap on overall household benefits and agreed child benefit should be included - overturning a key defeat in the Lords. The benefit cap is among the highest profile changes in the government's controversial Welfare Reform Bill. Ministers say it will bring benefits into line with average working households' income. MPs have now overturned four of seven defeats peers inflicted on the Bill. They voted by 334 to 251 to overturn the Lords amendment - tabled by a group of bishops - which would exclude child benefit from counting towards the £26,000-a-year cap on benefits to working-age households - set at the equivalent to the average post-tax salary of a working household. Labour say they support the cap in principle but argue that rather than one national cap - there should be local caps, set by an independent commission. 'Transitional arrangements' In the Commons, Work and Pensions Minister Chris Grayling said that idea was "ill-thought out" and "would be more credible if it was not being made at the very last minute". He said there were already exemptions to the cap - such as families in receipt of Disability Living Allowance (DLA) and Working Tax Credit - and outlined "transitional arrangements" to minimise the impact. People who had been in work for the previous 12 months would get a nine-month "grace period" before the cap kicked in and he said people in receipt of the "support component" of ESA - for people deemed unable to work due to illness - but who do not receive DLA, would not be penalised. Additional payments would be made to families in certain circumstances, following a similar model used when the housing benefit cap was introduced - at a cost of up to £80m for 2013/2014 and £50m in 2014/2015. And he said the policy would be reviewed "in a transparent way" - as they would with any major policy change of this kind.
Parafox Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 She has tried to find work after finishing a college course, unfortunately she has mild personality disorder not quite on the Autism spectrum and can be aggressive and have some behavioural problems which have gained her a police record... Sadly not the best candidate for an employer So she's a thug basically? Yoy don't have the first idea of the struggles she has had in her life and she is just 19. You are a crass, narrow-minded, thoughtless, selfish, racist, mysoginist bigot and you're an ugly fat tw*t Sorry, I shouldn't make sweeping generalisations and assumpions when I don't even know you. But it's ok for you to do just that. Pray to God you never suffer any kind of mental illness Fu^ck the fu*ck off you Fu*cking idiot
Guest MattP Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 Yoy don't have the first idea of the struggles she has had in her life and she is just 19. You are a crass, narrow-minded, thoughtless, selfish, racist, mysoginist bigot and you're an ugly fat tw*t Sorry, I shouldn't make sweeping generalisations. But it's ok for you to do just that **** the fu*ck off you ****ing idiot You can make whatever generalisation you like, freedom of speech and all that.
Parafox Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 And why doesn't she work? (Hope that's not a rude question) It wasn't a rude question but your response was unbelivably rude,
Parafox Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 You can make whatever generalisation you like, freedom of speech and all that. Yes and you can hide behind FT message boards to be offensive to others. You're a coward
Guest MattP Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 Yes and you can hide behind FT message boards to be offensive to others. You're a coward I gave a statement with a question mark, it wasnt meant to be offensive, its what I derived from what you said. You should have gave me a list of reasons to why I was wrong like Leicsfox did instead of going into a aggressive rant.
acooling08 Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 You know nothing about her or her mental health problems. Tell her to have a few children, that should bump up her benefits.
I am Rod Hull Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 Tell her to have a few children, that should bump up her benefits. OMFGG!
FoxyPV Posted 1 February 2012 Posted 1 February 2012 Got the full works hasnt she? An "anxiety disorder" - what absolute plum came up with that as an excuse to dole out free cash? If you've a problem with DLA, blame the GPs who sign the forms just for a quiet life. Tell her to have a few children, that should bump up her benefits. Even for a glib remark and even for you - that's low.
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