Freeman's Wharfer Posted 4 February 2012 Posted 4 February 2012 So I'm stood there at the final whistle, disappointed because we could have got a point and haven't yet feeling satisfied that they've given it their all. But then I get to thinking about it. With the two red cards today I make that seven so far this season (maybe more). Seven. That we've been on the wrong end of some awful, awful refereeing decisions this season is undoubted, but how many times has our own indiscipline cost us? And how many times will it do so again? It's not clear what Beckford did to be sent off today, it seems as thought the decision may have been harsh. But the fact of the matter is that the opportunity for the officials to make the decision was there through a lack of self control by one of our players. As terrible as they can be, a referee can't brandish a red card without some reason strong or weak. Rash tackles by Vassell and Mills, and Mills. Petulance by Schmeichel, Howard and maybe Beckford also today. Silly bookings by Danns. I'm sick and tired of coming away from games in which had we kept eleven men on the pitch we'd have got a draw or better. See today, see Hull, see Birmingham, see Forest before that. So it's very hard for me to feel satisfied with almost getting a point today, for me to look outwards away from the conduct of our players. I'm frustrated at spending time and money travelling the length and breadth of the country supporting 'professionals' that don't have the self control to give us the best chance of a positive outcome by keeping themselves on the field for 90 minutes. In isolation these incidences may be forgiveable, but come May and tot up the points that we've squandered and it will all of a sudden be criminal. I hope Pearson stamps it out, asap.
Callabinho Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 Interesting point, we can blame the referees for poor desicions, but it's up to the players to conduct themselves in the correct way, unfortunately now the game has evolved to the extent that any 'contact' gives the referee a chance to take action. Mills's red card vs brum Can be labelled idiocy, his red against Hull unlucky, Schmeichels again can be down to not using his head, Howard's idiocy, Vassells rash, and today danns's second yellow could be seen as a professional foul. As far as Beckford's, could Well have raised a hand? Still how many of those cards could have been avoided!
acooling08 Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 Schmeichel's and Beckford's reds were ridiculous decisions from the referees. Danns' and Howard's were right at the end of games which cost us nothing. When Vassell got sent off we won anyway. Mills has been the only example of red cards really costing us when you weigh it all up.
21st Century Fox Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 Suspensions don't exactly help us long term.
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 5 February 2012 Author Posted 5 February 2012 Schmeichel's and Beckford's reds were ridiculous decisions from the referees. Danns' and Howard's were right at the end of games which cost us nothing. When Vassell got sent off we won anyway. Mills has been the only example of red cards really costing us when you weigh it all up. What it has actually cost us is only half the point. So it's okay to show such ill discipline as long as it doesn't cost you?! The larger point is that the mentality and the psyche exists in this current squad in which they are consistently displaying a lack of control. We are right to expect better. What Howard did at Palace was unacceptable regardless of the final result, if it were up to me I'd have seriously considered whether or not he should play again because he's displayed a disregard for how his foolish actions could cost the team. How are we to trust that he won't do the same again on a day that it will cost us? Consistently our players have presented referees with opportunities for referees to present them with cards, red or yellow, harshly or justifiably.
acooling08 Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 What it has actually cost us is only half the point. So it's okay to show such ill discipline as long as it doesn't cost you?! The larger point is that the mentality and the psyche exists in this current squad in which they are consistently displaying a lack of control. We are right to expect better. What Howard did at Palace was unacceptable regardless of the final result, if it were up to me I'd have seriously considered whether or not he should play again because he's displayed a disregard for how his foolish actions could cost the team. How are we to trust that he won't do the same again on a day that it will cost us? Consistently our players have presented referees with opportunities for referees to present them with cards, red or yellow, harshly or justifiably. I was just directly responding to what you said in the first post. So I'm stood there at the final whistle, disappointed because we could have got a point and haven't yet feeling satisfied that they've given it their all. But then I get to thinking about it. With the two red cards today I make that seven so far this season (maybe more). Seven. That we've been on the wrong end of some awful, awful refereeing decisions this season is undoubted, but how many times has our own indiscipline cost us? And how many times will it do so again? It's not clear what Beckford did to be sent off today, it seems as thought the decision may have been harsh. But the fact of the matter is that the opportunity for the officials to make the decision was there through a lack of self control by one of our players. As terrible as they can be, a referee can't brandish a red card without some reason strong or weak. Rash tackles by Vassell and Mills, and Mills. Petulance by Schmeichel, Howard and maybe Beckford also today. Silly bookings by Danns. I'm sick and tired of coming away from games in which had we kept eleven men on the pitch we'd have got a draw or better. See today, see Hull, see Birmingham, see Forest before that. So it's very hard for me to feel satisfied with almost getting a point today, for me to look outwards away from the conduct of our players. I'm frustrated at spending time and money travelling the length and breadth of the country supporting 'professionals' that don't have the self control to give us the best chance of a positive outcome by keeping themselves on the field for 90 minutes. In isolation these incidences may be forgiveable, but come May and tot up the points that we've squandered and it will all of a sudden be criminal. I hope Pearson stamps it out, asap.
Kitchandro Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 Schmeichel's and Beckford's reds were ridiculous decisions from the referees. Danns' and Howard's were right at the end of games which cost us nothing. When Vassell got sent off we won anyway. Mills has been the only example of red cards really costing us when you weigh it all up. What it has actually cost us is only half the point. So it's okay to show such ill discipline as long as it doesn't cost you?! The larger point is that the mentality and the psyche exists in this current squad in which they are consistently displaying a lack of control. We are right to expect better. What Howard did at Palace was unacceptable regardless of the final result, if it were up to me I'd have seriously considered whether or not he should play again because he's displayed a disregard for how his foolish actions could cost the team. How are we to trust that he won't do the same again on a day that it will cost us? Consistently our players have presented referees with opportunities for referees to present them with cards, red or yellow, harshly or justifiably. Both fair points here. We do have a discipline issue and it's a sad state of affairs that the worst culprit is our captain. If I was the ref I'd be desperate to send him off, yet again today he was mouthing off and shouting in the face of the referee. His short temper is quite embarrassing really. Last week it extended to Konchesky and Nugent. Whatever you say about them being right to feel unhappy with the officials, reacting like that will almost always see you booked. You cannot do that and the couldn't have any complaints. But, when you narrow it down we've been unlucky. Vassell at Coventry - Debateable. It was rash yes but not really over the ball or that dangerous. Avoidable nonetheless. Scmeichel at Forest - Completely unjust, though his first booking for dissent was avoidable. Mills at Brum - Fair Mills at Hull - stupid challenge? Yes. Clear goalscoring opportunity? No. Howard at Palace - Fair Beckford at Brighton - completely unjust Danns at Brighton - Fair Sums up our season tbh, robbed by officials but shooting ourselves in the foot non-stop.
The Guvnor Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 Why was Beckford sent off? seems the Brighton fans are as perplexed as we are, no one on their forum mentioned Beckford kicking out at their player,appeal?
Guest ttfn Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 Danns probably did the right thing. It's unfair to include him on that list because had we had more than 8 players on the pitch there's no way that situation would have arisen. Only sending offs I've felt were harsh were Schmeichel, Mills at Hull, and Beckford. Also Konchesky should have gone against Swindon.
accessory Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 This thread is an example of the inferiority complex which exists among sections of our fanbase. Whatever the stats may say, this team is no less disciplined than most of the top teams in England or abroad, or some of the more successful City sides of the past. How long would the likes of Steve Walsh, Gerry Taggart or even Alan Young have lasted with many of the current era's card-happy, egocentric match officials? If Beckford was guilty of anything yesterday (supposedly "foul and abusive" language), it was a technical offence, overlooked on fields of play 99 times out of 100. Would a Brighton player even have been booked, let alone dismissed, in the same situation? Hell would have frozen over first. Danns' challenge which earned him a second booking clearly came through fatigue when a nine-man side were chasing the game. It was a gratuitous foul, but in the circumstances, he doesn't deserve to be crucified. We all want players with passion and commitment, and he has delivered those qualities in recent games. I'm usually among the first to slate the players and management for their lack of professionalism. But yesterday wasn't such an occasion. There's nothing Pearson could have done to legislate for Bridcutt's appalling hack at Delfouneso, as bad a foul as anything seen in this league all season, which the card-happy ref somehow decreed was a less serious misdemeanour than Beckford's. Modern referees are p!sspoor and it's time something was done about them.
Guest DavidJCW Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 Regardless of who has or has not been sent off this season, it's no excuse for the lacklustre and sometimes shambolic performances we've been putting in. It's those, not the cards, that have been costing us.
THEFATBASTARD Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 So I'm stood there at the final whistle, disappointed because we could have got a point and haven't yet feeling satisfied that they've given it their all. But then I get to thinking about it. With the two red cards today I make that seven so far this season (maybe more). Seven. That we've been on the wrong end of some awful, awful refereeing decisions this season is undoubted, but how many times has our own indiscipline cost us? And how many times will it do so again? It's not clear what Beckford did to be sent off today, it seems as thought the decision may have been harsh. But the fact of the matter is that the opportunity for the officials to make the decision was there through a lack of self control by one of our players. As terrible as they can be, a referee can't brandish a red card without some reason strong or weak. Rash tackles by Vassell and Mills, and Mills. Petulance by Schmeichel, Howard and maybe Beckford also today. Silly bookings by Danns. I'm sick and tired of coming away from games in which had we kept eleven men on the pitch we'd have got a draw or better. See today, see Hull, see Birmingham, see Forest before that. So it's very hard for me to feel satisfied with almost getting a point today, for me to look outwards away from the conduct of our players. I'm frustrated at spending time and money travelling the length and breadth of the country supporting 'professionals' that don't have the self control to give us the best chance of a positive outcome by keeping themselves on the field for 90 minutes. In isolation these incidences may be forgiveable, but come May and tot up the points that we've squandered and it will all of a sudden be criminal. I hope Pearson stamps it out, asap. Totally agree, we are kidding ourselves if we think its all down to bad luck bad refs and sunspots..the players have massively under avhieved.their disipline is shight..
Corky Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 It has, some reds have been very poor decisions whilst others were avoidable. You can't legislate for reds like Beckford's yesterday- that's not ill discipline, just bad officiating.
Guest Col city fan Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 Regardless of who has or has not been sent off this season, it's no excuse for the lacklustre and sometimes shambolic performances we've been putting in. It's those, not the cards, that have been costing us. I think it's a bit of both to be fair WE have been very average But some of the red cards have cost us the games IMO Yesterday being a prime example..
Fox1651 Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 I think it's a bit of both to be fair WE have been very average But some of the red cards have cost us the games IMO Yesterday being a prime example.. This
accessory Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 I think it's a bit of both to be fair WE have been very average But some of the red cards have cost us the games IMO Yesterday being a prime example.. But was it the fault of the players or the refs? In most cases it's been the latter. The thread-starter sought to imply otherwise and was therefore way out of order.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 It said on tv last night that Beckford was sent off for a late tackle. I never saw the game, so cannot comment.
Kitchandro Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 It said on tv last night that Beckford was sent off for a late tackle. I never saw the game, so cannot comment. On the FLS they said it was about something being said to the linesman. Which is complete bollocks because the referee said it was for kicking someone in the head.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 we might of had utter tosh refs this season but i cant help feeling its out own fault we are in this mess tbh
gazfox9 Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 Bad decisions HAVE cost us points though. Who on here is in any doubt that we wouldn't have beat Forest had Kasper stayed on the pitch?? That said I do think our discipline is poor as a squad. Getting sent off for foul and abusive language is criminal.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 6 February 2012 Posted 6 February 2012 we might of had utter tosh refs this season but i cant help feeling its out own fault we are in this mess tbh I agree 100%
Raj Posted 7 February 2012 Posted 7 February 2012 Cant blame crap refs ALL the time(Altho last Weds nights V Boro the ref WAS woeful). Players have to take responsibility for their actions. Its cost us dear this season
Zingari Posted 7 February 2012 Posted 7 February 2012 the thread title sounds like an advert for miss whiplash's services not that i'd know anything about those sorts of goings on
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