Who actually wants to keep mills?

[Brauny Fox]

How can you see no wrong with Mills?

1 - Distribution

Awful, possibly our worst player in this category, we should not be playing the ball to our keeper consistently instead because kasper has better distribution

2 - Temperament

Mills may have won us points this season but he has lost an awful lot more

- Birmingham and Hull saw two slightly different but still stupid challenges which ultimateley cost us at least a point from each

3 - Captaincy

Seems that he would rather give the ref a bollockin than the rest of our players, hence another yellow card for decent against watford, whether he should be the captain or not he needs to take the responsbility and lead by example, he is not doing this.

4 - Aerial battle

Whilst he does seem to win a fair few headers, e.g. cardiff before gestede came on, he cannot handle a target man. When we play mills he is played as the CB which should dominate or at least share an aerial battle, as far as i recall he did not beat gestede or iwelumo in the air once.

Pal, you are quite amazing, I've seen a few posters on here with selective memory, but you take 1st prize I think! We will beg to differ, can't be arsed to shred the fcuk out of your last 1,2,3,4 post, your selective, simple as that. If you don't rate him, fair enough, but neither me or you have the initials NP on our jersey so it matters not! He brings a lot to our side on and off the pitch, I've met him out and about and he's a genuine guy who appreciates the position he's in at the club, if you think otherwise, which clearly you do, then so be it, but I suggest this thread be closed because its a minority view and most of your points could be made against most players in world football.

[caz05]

You miss my point entirely, demonstrated by the comment about mcdonalds again. He is an average champ player at best. until we remove mills from the side we cannot introduce consistency. Rather have ST.ledger, bamba and morgan anyday, all show more commitment and better strength.

Perhaps they would show more commitment,but whats the guessing in a months time we will be reading a post the same as this one about one of them

[Captain...]

You miss my point entirely, demonstrated by the comment about mcdonalds again. He is an average champ player at best. until we remove mills from the side we cannot introduce consistency. Rather have ST.ledger, bamba and morgan anyday, all show more commitment and better strength.

Bamba, comitted, he's not even back from the ACON yet, Toure was playing for man City in Portugal on Thursday and Bamba is still not back in Leicester, St Ledger who would rather leave the club than fight for his place, and Morgan an ex fvcking tree who I don't know how you can judge on his 45 minutes on the pitch, or was he demonstrating his strength in Burger King by carrying 100 tower burgers whilst looking sad,

And as for wanting consistency by getting rid of one of our first team regulars to try and form a brand new centre back pairing from scratch. Genius.

[Brauny Fox]

Whether your a wum or not grewks, Ill answer each point you make:

Distribution:

Did you watch Reading last year? One of their main ideas came from the balls that Mills played over the top or down the channel for Long, Kebe and McAnuff to run onto, often they cut it back and scored from it. When we went to the Madejski, Reading were no better than us but this ball ripped us apart. We don't utilise it at all, don't know why but it seems we always want it to feet. Mills will often play it to Wellens who will give it him back and so Mills puts it long as most of the tike this year King and Wellens were uselss with the ball, I often said I don't blame him for missing them out. He has to have a pass on you know?

Temperament

Should Utd get rid of Rooney because of his temperamnet? No. Thats how some footballers are. Now Im particularly old but I know in days gone by most footballers had a temperament. Ever heard of Billy Bremner?

Captaincy:

Led Reading to a play off semi final as Captain. And also who else should get it. He is our most vocal player, who else could be captain? Wellens? Would be a useless captain, Schmeichel? Keepers shouldnt be captains. As for your point regarding moaning at referees, I do it all the time in Sunday League, does no harm, just our referees aren't overpaid idiots that want to take attention away from the players. Nugent had a right go at the ref against boro, nothing said, because a)its Nugent b)it was Gavin ward and c)he was right to.

Aerial Battle

Mills is a cracking player in the air, wins many headers. Most CBs do struggle agaist target men because theyre hard to play, SSL does but doesmt get the flack, even Vidic struggles against some types of player, e.g Torres at 'pool. You cant have a perfect CB in this league. Morgan will handle a target man but never play the passing game that SSL and Mills can.

Saved me a hell of a lot of typing there! Well said.

[caz05]

No I didn't. I responded to what you wrote. So was it just a wee or was it the full shabang? I do not think I could poo in a McDonalds toilet although I suppose it depends on how desperate you are. What about yourself? Do you poo in public toilets?

[LCFC BEAST]

Grewks, crawl back in to that hole of yours and never come out, I repeat NEVER!

[Captain...]

Grewks, crawl back in to that hole of yours and never come out, I repeat NEVER!

Now, now don't be mean, he is entitled to his opinion, I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread so far, can't think of anything better to be doing on a Friday night.

[Guesty]

It's not his fault someone paid 5 mil for him and made him captain. He's obviously not worth 5 mill

I don't really think hes captain material but who else would we give it too?Maybe Konchesky or Kasper but thats about it.

If we'd only paid 1 mil for him I don't think people would give him such a hard time.

Plus if he had a midfield that protected the defence in the slightest his job would be a lot easier.

[LCFC BEAST]

Now, now don't be mean, he is entitled to his opinion, I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread so far, can't think of anything better to be doing on a Friday night.

Sorry but I love my Matty too much

[Grewks]

Saved me a hell of a lot of typing there! Well said.

But he tries these balls and they go straight out of play. Yes Nugent argued against Gavin Ward because the majority decisions he made were wrong, whereas the freekick given to watford was correct and a stupid argument, nugent does not get consistent bookings for decent. Rooney does have an agressive temperament and is needed for some players, however unlike mills rooney wins more games for utd than he loses.

CBA to reply to other points tonight.

[caz05]

Now, now don't be mean, he is entitled to his opinion, I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread so far, can't think of anything better to be doing on a Friday night.

Its cheered me up no end who needs the tv

[LCFC BEAST]

But he tries these balls and they go straight out of play. Yes Nugent argued against Gavin Ward because the majority decisions he made were wrong, whereas the freekick given to watford was correct and a stupid argument, nugent does not get consistent bookings for decent. Rooney does have an agressive temperament and is needed for some players, however unlike mills rooney wins more games for utd than he loses.

CBA to reply to other points tonight.

Really, do you want us to destroy you on this? If you didn't know we're Leicester City, not 19 times winners of the English League, Manchester United

[Brauny Fox]

But he tries these balls and they go straight out of play. Yes Nugent argued against Gavin Ward because the majority decisions he made were wrong, whereas the freekick given to watford was correct and a stupid argument, nugent does not get consistent bookings for decent. Rooney does have an agressive temperament and is needed for some players, however unlike mills rooney wins more games for utd than he loses.

CBA to reply to other points tonight.

I take it you rate Nugent!? Not disagreeing, just an observation! Not every ball Rooney plays goes to feet (how that fcukers name keeps popping up I don't know!?) but he's worshipped for the two or three that do. Walshy, the legend, was a similar player to Mills, granted he didn't cost 5m but he ended up priceless! You argue Mills doesn't have passion (not applauding us etc.) but when he does show passion on the pitch, where it matters, you slag him off for it!? CLOSE THE THREAD!!!

[Captain...]

But he tries these balls and they go straight out of play. Yes Nugent argued against Gavin Ward because the majority decisions he made were wrong, whereas the freekick given to watford was correct and a stupid argument, nugent does not get consistent bookings for decent. Rooney does have an agressive temperament and is needed for some players, however unlike mills rooney wins more games for utd than he loses.

CBA to reply to other points tonight.

So you are saying Nugent is not decent?

(Oh I'm a sad little man)

[Guest Basildon Fox]

So you are saying Nugent is not decent?

(Oh I'm a sad little man)

No I think he means he is decent but doesn't constantly get booked for it unlike Mills who does...

[LCFC BEAST]

On the note saying he doesn't appreciate the fans, we don't sing his name for him to wave back but he does go to all four corners of the ground after the game to clap the crowd.

He was also the only one to appreciate the 'We love you' chant by waving an imaginary scarf after the Cardiff game

[Libertine Dream]

But he tries these balls and they go straight out of play. Yes Nugent argued against Gavin Ward because the majority decisions he made were wrong, whereas the freekick given to watford was correct and a stupid argument, nugent does not get consistent bookings for decent. Rooney does have an agressive temperament and is needed for some players, however unlike mills rooney wins more games for utd than he loses.

CBA to reply to other points tonight.

Right so tonight we've established Nugent can do what he wants if Gavin Ward is ref and Rooney is allowed to be temperamental because he's world class and plays for a world class team, whereas Mill can't because he's in the Championship with Leicester City. Oh I do love Foxestalk

Maybe Grewks, you should start a new account so you can start again and we can take what you say seriously.

[Captain...]

No I think he means he is decent but doesn't constantly get booked for it unlike Mills who does...

Well that's just inconsistent refereeing, can't blame Millso Dynamo Super Captain, his initials are the sound I make when I think of him, MMMMMMM.

Actually his initials are MCM, his middle name is Claude

[LCFC BEAST]

Right so tonight we've established Nugent can do what he wants if Gavin Ward is ref and Rooney is allowed to be temperamental because he's world class and plays for a world class team, whereas Mill can't because he's in the Championship with Leicester City. Oh I do love Foxestalk

Maybe Grewks, you should start a new account so you can start again and we can take what you say seriously.

Hit the nail on the head

[Kitchandro]

Whether your a wum or not grewks, Ill answer each point you make:

Distribution:

Did you watch Reading last year? One of their main ideas came from the balls that Mills played over the top or down the channel for Long, Kebe and McAnuff to run onto, often they cut it back and scored from it. When we went to the Madejski, Reading were no better than us but this ball ripped us apart. We don't utilise it at all, don't know why but it seems we always want it to feet. Mills will often play it to Wellens who will give it him back and so Mills puts it long as most of the tike this year King and Wellens were uselss with the ball, I often said I don't blame him for missing them out. He has to have a pass on you know?

Temperament

Should Utd get rid of Rooney because of his temperamnet? No. Thats how some footballers are. Now Im particularly old but I know in days gone by most footballers had a temperament. Ever heard of Billy Bremner?

Captaincy:

Led Reading to a play off semi final as Captain. And also who else should get it. He is our most vocal player, who else could be captain? Wellens? Would be a useless captain, Schmeichel? Keepers shouldnt be captains. As for your point regarding moaning at referees, I do it all the time in Sunday League, does no harm, just our referees aren't overpaid idiots that want to take attention away from the players. Nugent had a right go at the ref against boro, nothing said, because a)its Nugent b)it was Gavin ward and c)he was right to.

Aerial Battle

Mills is a cracking player in the air, wins many headers. Most CBs do struggle agaist target men because theyre hard to play, SSL does but doesmt get the flack, even Vidic struggles against some types of player, e.g Torres at 'pool. You cant have a perfect CB in this league. Morgan will handle a target man but never play the passing game that SSL and Mills can.

Sorry but I don't know how you can defend his temperemant, it is a fair criticism. Rooney's career has been tainted by his anger and it's cost his team big time on a number of occassions. He makes up for it to some extent but that's because other parts of his game a far superior to most in his team. Mills isn't really much good at anything, he CAN be good in the air and he CAN be solid defensively, but he's very inconcsistent and has put in many a clownish performance.

The point about temperemant is that, as a captain, he should be at least leading by example and demonstrating a good on-pitch attitude. The sad fact remains that he is often very mouthy towards the referee and picks up needless bookings. In addition, there's the two incidents at Birmingham and Hull in which his temperemant heavily contributed to us losing the points. They were both thoughtless selfish tackles made by somebody who let his emotions get the better of him.

As for the aerial battles, I won't single Mills out but I really think we lack something in this sense without Bamba.

As for his distribution - granted, the movement in our team is poor. However, he wouldn't be picked on about this for no reason . His tendency to play long aimless balls is very frustrating. It's often not to do with players not running on to them, they're simply hoofed out of play. The other defenders have the same problem, all season Konchesky has been isolated when in possession on the left and never seems to have options straight away. But he has much more composure on the ball, he doesn't panic, and has the ability to hang on to it. Eventually simple passes become available. And if he plays a long ball, it's usually in the general direction of a Leicester player. SSL and Bamba also play in the same team, and they are both central defenders, but are both visibly better on the ball than Mills.

Now I'm not one to get hung up on defenders' passing, I would forgive it if he was consistently solid at the back, but he's not. He's not terrible, but he's just another average player who has significant shortcomings to his game and cannot perform to a good level on a consistent basis.

[Kitchandro]

It's not his fault someone paid 5 mil for him and made him captain. He's obviously not worth 5 mill

I don't really think hes captain material but who else would we give it too?Maybe Konchesky or Kasper but thats about it.

If we'd only paid 1 mil for him I don't think people would give him such a hard time.

Plus if he had a midfield that protected the defence in the slightest his job would be a lot easier.

Very good points.

There aren't a lot of players who are captain material in the squad, mainly because most aren't good enough to be in a promotion team. On the other hand, even if Kasper is the only other option, I think he's a far better one than Mills.

I don't think Mills has a bad attitude towards the fans, the club, training or matchday preparation, and I'm sure he gives all he can in every game. He seems like that kind of commited player. He lets himself down by being too emotional though, he spends most of the game on some kind of mad adrenaline rush, he plays games angry, which isn't a good thing. This not only leads him to make bad challenges and argue with the referee a lot but it also seems to affect his decision making in the match. He felt the pressure too much in the Reading game for example and it affected him. It seems to be the same kind of thing, to a lesser extent, in most of his games.

I always get the feeling that in English football, if there isn't an obvious leader in the squad, managers tend to pick the big number 5 at the back, who is usually pretty common and has a short temper. They call these 'no nonsense' defenders, meaning they can head it and kick it/people really hard, but they don't have the ability to do anything 'fancy' like pass to a teammate or control it. These are your Walshie/John Terry types. It's almost as if Sven picked Mills as captain in an attempt to 'adapt to the Championship'. And Nigel loves his big centre backs doesn't he.

[Daggers]

It's historical fact that mills caused the pain and suffering of the many children who worked therein.

It is obvious that the OP doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Of course, he has my unreserved apologies if he's referring to 'wind'mills as they look ace and have Windy Miller in them.

[seenitall]

It's just more rampant Svenism

[Guest ttfn]

Not seen anything to suggest Mills has a bad attitude. I think people are looking for things that aren't there.

I don't rate him at all, but I can see why some do. Assuming you like an old fashioned "head it and kick it" centre half, he's competent at this level.

What I can't understand is anyone defending his distribution. He really is a terrible ball player. Worse than Kisnorbo even, who I happen to think was a better centre back but that's for another day.

[dave the caveman]

He's a victim of his price tag and sven's decision to make him captain which I reckon was probably a lure to bring him to the club rather than a decision based on footballing principles. He isn't worth half of what we paid, and he shouldn't be anywhere near the captaincy, but he's surely good enough for our league and with a bit of work I reckon he could do a decent job for us next season and from there he might even become a quality player. He's still relatively young for a defender. Keep him.