Guest BlueBrett Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 Ok so I've gone from deprivation to excess in the blink of an eye! I'm now in possession of a large bag on mini eggs, 2 cadburys easter eggs, a lindt bunny and .... a TWIRL!! Now who's going to make me a nice cup of tea?
Guest Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 By the way the wife got me a giant white chocolate caterpillar - just for the record.
I am Rod Hull Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 I'm pretty sure that I don't. Just because there were pagan festivals of midwinter and the such doesn't make Christmas a pagan festival. what it means is that most people stopped celebrating the pagan midwinter/and others festival and started celebrating a new festival called Christmas which they believed celebrated the birth of christ - as many of the previous pagan followers were transformed into the new Christian religion following. Saying that Christmas and Easter are pagan festivals is so moronic that I can't imagine anyone will be stupid enough to argue the fact. It's like suggesting that when your grandmother died she became your newly born daughter/son. Except that this second concept I've suggested is materially more possible due to the finite world we leave in and the never ending transformation of energy into different forms. Its Pagan...
Parafox Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 I got given 3 mini eggs. "I got given..." c'mon AOWW.. is that good grammar? I thought you were better than that.
Guest Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 Its Pagan... So you are celebrating Tammuz the son of the moon and Sun Gods are you? Wierdo!
Webbo Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 I'm not a Bible scholar or a religious person but it is my belief that Easter is celebrated when it is because it is linked to the Jewish festival of passover because that was the time that Jesus was crucified. That is why Easter is celebrated on a different day each year because it is linked to the phases of the moon. There may have been a pagan festival around the time of the vernal equinox that has been absorbed by the church but that doesn't make Easter pagan.
I am Rod Hull Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 So you are celebrating Tammuz the son of the moon and Sun Gods are you? Wierdo! I may be wierd but I`m shagging your Mrs .
I am Rod Hull Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 I'm not a Bible scholar or a religious person but it is my belief that Easter is celebrated when it is because it is linked to the Jewish festival of passover because that was the time that Jesus was crucified. That is why Easter is celebrated on a different day each year because it is linked to the phases of the moon. There may have been a pagan festival around the time of the vernal equinox that has been absorbed by the church but that doesn't make Easter pagan. Yes it does... (footie`s on now /troll mode)
sphericalfox Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 This argument is going nowhere without wiki links... C'mon let's get the linkey links going!
The Doctor Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 I'm not a Bible scholar or a religious person but it is my belief that Easter is celebrated when it is because it is linked to the Jewish festival of passover because that was the time that Jesus was crucified. That is why Easter is celebrated on a different day each year because it is linked to the phases of the moon. There may have been a pagan festival around the time of the vernal equinox that has been absorbed by the church but that doesn't make Easter pagan. Actually, if there was a pagan festival absorbed into the church and turned into Easter, then that would make Easter pagan. Anyway, it's irrelevant - we should all be worshipping Thor - Hammer & Super-beard, what's not to love?
Guest Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 I may be wierd but I`m shagging your Mrs . , That may make you wierder. And it wasn't meant as a personal attack. It was related to Moon goddesses
MikeyT Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 None. But I treated myself to a Cadbury's Dairy Milk Fruit & Nut bar earlier.
Guest BlueBrett Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 How the hell could polytheism possibly have anything to do with either Christmas or Easter? Stop trying to be smart arses and think a little.
Rincewind Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 I think the festival this time of year is the beginning of spring and the egg represents birth. Something like that anyway. Don't quote me on it. I don't mind the holiday (even being unemployed) butit doesn't mean anything to me. Commercially it means nothing too as shops still open if only to make a huge profit.
Webbo Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 Actually, if there was a pagan festival absorbed into the church and turned into Easter, then that would make Easter pagan. No Easter is about the crucifixion of Christ, whether you believe he existed or was the son of god or whatever. References to eggs or bunnies may be pagan but they are on the periphery.
Parafox Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 Here you go... "Since its conception as a holy celebration in the second century, Easter has had its non-religious side. In fact, Easter was originally a pagan festival. The ancient Saxons celebrated the return of spring with an uproarious festival commemorating their goddess of offspring and of springtime, Eastre. When the second-century Christian missionaries encountered the tribes of the north with their pagan celebrations, they attempted to convert them to Christianity. They did so, however, in a clandestine manner. It would have been suicide for the very early Christian converts to celebrate their holy days with observances that did not coincide with celebrations that already existed. To save lives, the missionaries cleverly decided to spread their religious message slowly throughout the populations by allowing them to continue to celebrate pagan feasts, but to do so in a Christian manner. As it happened, the pagan festival of Eastre occurred at the same time of year as the Christian observance of the Resurrection of Christ. It made sense, therefore, to alter the festival itself, to make it a Christian celebration as converts were slowly won over. The early name, Eastre, was eventually changed to its modern spelling, Easter"
The Year Of The Fox Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 You don't have to believe a bronze-age fantasy book is actually non-fiction to enjoy a day off and giving and receiving presents. You'd be mad to miss out on the holidays when there's no need. Besides, as WTF BBQ said, the Christians stole those holidays in the first place. Sod Jesus, give me my chocolate eggs! However tongue in cheek your last sentence was, why are people so quick to denounce the Christian god, yet wouldn't dream of doing it about another religions god. I've always wondered!
Orkneyfox Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 Hooray, a day free from the commercial tyranny of the easter egg - cheaep chocolate in too much packaging - and how many Cadburys mugs does any one need!
I am Rod Hull Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 , That may make you wierder. And it wasn't meant as a personal attack. It was related to Moon goddesses Mine wasn`t meant to be a personal attack either, its true, I am shagging your Mrs We meet up every Easter at Stonehenge to sacrifice a chocolate caterpillar to the god Nutella and dance naked around a chocolate statue of him.
Webbo Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 Anyhoo, Happy Easter. http://www.youtube.c...v=vBdWGD8F3Oo#!
I am Rod Hull Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 Anyhoo, Happy Easter. http://www.youtube.c...v=vBdWGD8F3Oo#! Shes definitely doing a Pagan dance there, Webbo.
Raw Dykes Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 However tongue in cheek your last sentence was, why are people so quick to denounce the Christian god, yet wouldn't dream of doing it about another religions god. I've always wondered! I only mentioned Jesus because we're talking about Easter, but I can denounce a few less familiar imaginary friends if you like. They're all equally important, and equally real. Except Thor. He's cool. http://youtu.be/xi5hk159FAs
Guest Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 Here you go... "Since its conception as a holy celebration in the second century, Easter has had its non-religious side. In fact, Easter was originally a pagan festival. The ancient Saxons celebrated the return of spring with an uproarious festival commemorating their goddess of offspring and of springtime, Eastre. When the second-century Christian missionaries encountered the tribes of the north with their pagan celebrations, they attempted to convert them to Christianity. They did so, however, in a clandestine manner. It would have been suicide for the very early Christian converts to celebrate their holy days with observances that did not coincide with celebrations that already existed. To save lives, the missionaries cleverly decided to spread their religious message slowly throughout the populations by allowing them to continue to celebrate pagan feasts, but to do so in a Christian manner. As it happened, the pagan festival of Eastre occurred at the same time of year as the Christian observance of the Resurrection of Christ. It made sense, therefore, to alter the festival itself, to make it a Christian celebration as converts were slowly won over. The early name, Eastre, was eventually changed to its modern spelling, Easter" And here's the fallacy. Some festivals existed before but they weren't called "EASTER". This festival is based on the Christian Religious calendar. but whatever, that wasn't the point.
Parafox Posted 8 April 2012 Posted 8 April 2012 Here you go... "Since its conception as a holy celebration in the second century, Easter has had its non-religious side. In fact, Easter was originally a pagan festival. The ancient Saxons celebrated the return of spring with an uproarious festival commemorating their goddess of offspring and of springtime, Eastre. When the second-century Christian missionaries encountered the tribes of the north with their pagan celebrations, they attempted to convert them to Christianity. They did so, however, in a clandestine manner. It would have been suicide for the very early Christian converts to celebrate their holy days with observances that did not coincide with celebrations that already existed. To save lives, the missionaries cleverly decided to spread their religious message slowly throughout the populations by allowing them to continue to celebrate pagan feasts, but to do so in a Christian manner. As it happened, the pagan festival of Eastre occurred at the same time of year as the Christian observance of the Resurrection of Christ. It made sense, therefore, to alter the festival itself, to make it a Christian celebration as converts were slowly won over. The early name, Eastre, was eventually changed to its modern spelling, Easter" And here's the fallacy. Some festivals existed before but they weren't called "EASTER". This festival is based on the Christian Religious calendar. but whatever, that wasn't the point. No it wasn't the point, but since we're now trolling the OP... clearly, historically Easter was called EASTRE and was a pagan celebration of the spring (I assume you actually read the passage). It became "corrupted" to Easter some time after the Christian attempts to convert pagans into Christianity because it occurred around the same time as Christian celebrations of the resurrection. It's a coincidence that the two "festivals" happened at roughly the same time in the Christian calendar, not proof of it being ORIGINALLY a Christian festival. It says quite clearly in the passage that ...."To save lives, the missionaries cleverly decided to spread their religious message slowly throughout the populations by allowing them to continue to celebrate pagan feasts, but to do so in a Christian manner
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