Ched Evans found guilty

[Milton Keynes Fox]

Rape is bad but 5 years?

[21st Century Fox]

5 years! End of his career!

He'll be out in 3.

[Guest MattP]

Its as much her fault for being so drunk really.

Surprised it took 4 pages.

Few Sheff Utd players on twitter saying they know the girl and calling her a slag mind.

Rape is bad but 5 years?

Should have done it in Japan, only get 2 years, they lap rape up over there. You can grope in the street and get away with it as well. Can't wait to go again.

[Milton Keynes Fox]

"The court heard that Mr McDonald met the woman and took her back to the hotel room, sending a text to Evans stating he had "got a bird"

he got off free?

[I am Rod Hull]

Its as much her fault for being so drunk really.

So if you got man raped when drunk by a couple of blokes bigger than you it would be your fault?

Try thinking.

[21st Century Fox]

So if you got man raped when drunk by a couple of blokes bigger than you it would be your fault?

Try thinking.

I wouldn't bother WTF BBQ, it's the obligatory tw@t comment.

How anyone can +1 that is beyond me.

[Bugg]

Its as much her fault for being so drunk really.

You ****ing twat

[Guest Basildon Fox]

"The court heard that Mr McDonald met the woman and took her back to the hotel room, sending a text to Evans stating he had "got a bird"

he got off free?

I imagine that he could still be in trouble with Port Vale for his part in it. He may have been found not guilty of rape but he certainly does not sound like an innocent party in the crime. He has shown himself to be a major factor in what happened.

[Captain...]

Apparantly he left by the fire exit after the deed which would not hsve helped him. Could well have shown that he had something to hide. At the end of the day there must have been some highly incriminating evidence for the jury to come back so quickly with a unanimous verdict.

He will have to live with the stigma of being a sex case for the rest of his life. Good.

On a side issue, isn't the odious Lee Hughes up for a sex assault soon. Perhaps they can share a cell on the nonces wing together. I wonder who will be the bitch?

He is a high profile footballer, and does have a girlfriend he is not going to want to get spotted leaving a hotel on his own in the middle of the night.

The more I read on the case I don't know how they reached that decision, if she was too drunk to consent to Evans she was too drunk to consent to McDonald. There is no evidence of them drinking in the hotel only before.

I really don't like this idea of rape by being too intoxicated to consent, that is a very dangerous thing as it is so subjective. People react differently to alcohol, and if you don't know that person you cannot tell if their behaviour is out of character, also if you are drunk you can't judge someone elses level of drunkenness.

The fact is some people, like me, suffer from memory loss when drinking too much, epsecially when tired, I have often said I can't remember something happening and my mates saying that I didn't seem drunk at the time. It is just the way I am wired, and it is fvcking annoying. I have often fooled around with girls and actually had sex and not remembered it, and in one case I actually "come round" whilst inside a woman, having no idea where I was, how I got there or who I was having sex with, I did know her, and I was enjoying it, and of course I had consented I was 19 years old, and had soberly consented to much worse, but it terrifies me to think what could happen if the roles were reveresed and a girl suddenly came round and found herself having sex with me, not knowing how she got there.

Anyone could be looking at 5 years for doing nothing more sinister than having consensual sex with a girl who suffers from memory loss when drunk.

I am not saying that is what happened in this case, and it clearly is not a simple case of drunken sex, but I find the wording of the offense very worrying.

[I am Rod Hull]

I wouldn't bother WTF BBQ, it's the obligatory tw@t comment.

How anyone can +1 that is beyond me.

Ched must have internet access.

[21st Century Fox]

He is a high profile footballer, and does have a girlfriend he is not going to want to get spotted leaving a hotel on his own in the middle of the night.

The more I read on the case I don't know how they reached that decision, if she was too drunk to consent to Evans she was too drunk to consent to McDonald. There is no evidence of them drinking in the hotel only before.

I really don't like this idea of rape by being too intoxicated to consent, that is a very dangerous think as it is so subjective. People react differently to alcohol, and if you don't know that person you cannot tell if that behaviour is out of character, also if you are drunk you can't judge someone elses drunkenness.

The fact is some people, like me, suffer from memory loss when drinking too much, epsecially when tired, I have often said I can't remember something happening and my mates saying that I didn't seem drunk at the time. It is just the way I am wired, and it is fvcking annoying. I have often fooled around with girls and actually had sex and not remembered it, and in one case I have also "come round" inside of a woman, having no idea where I was, how I got there or who I was having sex with, I did know her, and I was enjoying it, and of course I had consented I was 19 years old, and had soberly consented to much worse, but it terrifies me to think what could happen if the roles were reveresed and a girl suddenly came round and found herself having sex with me, not knowing how she got there.

Anyone could be looking at 5 years for doing nothing more sinister than having consensual sex with a girl who suffers from memory loss when drunk.

I am not saying that is what happened in this case, and it clearly is not a simple case of drunken sex, but I find the wording of the offense very worrying.

Again it seems there's more to it than the media can currently report but it would seem that In McDonald's case the visit to the takeaway, the taxi ride and the kissing in the taxi could constitute reasonable belief for consent on his part. Once she was passed out whilst Evan's was with her, she had no say in the matter which would constitute no consent being given.

Ched must have internet access.

Already! Our prisons are like holiday camps!

[Guest Basildon Fox]

He is a high profile footballer, and does have a girlfriend he is not going to want to get spotted leaving a hotel on his own in the middle of the night.

The more I read on the case I don't know how they reached that decision, if she was too drunk to consent to Evans she was too drunk to consent to McDonald. There is no evidence of them drinking in the hotel only before.

I really don't like this idea of rape by being too intoxicated to consent, that is a very dangerous think as it is so subjective. People react differently to alcohol, and if you don't know that person you cannot tell if that behaviour is out of character, also if you are drunk you can't judge someone elses drunkenness.

The fact is some people, like me, suffer from memory loss when drinking too much, epsecially when tired, I have often said I can't remember something happening and my mates saying that I didn't seem drunk at the time. It is just the way I am wired, and it is fvcking annoying. I have often fooled around with girls and actually had sex and not remembered it, and in one case I have also "come round" inside of a woman, having no idea where I was, how I got there or who I was having sex with, I did know her, and I was enjoying it, and of course I had consented I was 19 years old, and had soberly consented to much worse, but it terrifies me to think what could happen if the roles were reveresed and a girl suddenly came round and found herself having sex with me, not knowing how she got there.

Anyone could be looking at 5 years for doing nothing more sinister than having consensual sex with a girl who suffers from memory loss when drunk.

I am not saying that is what happened in this case, and it clearly is not a simple case of drunken sex, but I find the wording of the offense very worrying.

But if you had come round and realised her mate Barry was taking you up the wrongun at the same time, how would you have felt then?

[Finnegan]

I do think McDonald getting off entirely is outrageous but if I understand it completely he can only be sentenced if he's found guilty specifically of what he was charged for? Which presumably is rape, not being an accessory?

If the girl knowingly went back to his hotel room, was witnessed doing so and it's her word against his what happened inside that room then it's going to be massively difficult to convict him of rape. What does for Evans is the fact he shows up later, after the girl is already in the room, lets himself in and she has no recollection of consenting to having sex with him.

I don't like it, it's all quite nasty, but you can see how it's gone in court.

[StanSP]

Its as much her fault for being so drunk really.

[Milton Keynes Fox]

Can't you get Life for rape though?

EDIT: Also what 'kind of rape' was it? Sex without her consent or pushing her down and forcing it?

[FrankieADZ]

Its as much her fault for being so drunk really.

ok....and if he was any sort of gentleman he wouldnt have done what he did; took advantage if someone in a unfit state.

[Captain...]

But if you had come round and realised her mate Barry was taking you up the wrongun at the same time, how would you have felt then?

Depends if Barry is hiting the spot or not, like I said, my experience is not comparable, to this case, it is more a worry about this law of rape because she was too intoxicated to consent, you can look at blood alcohol levels, you can look at how much she drunk, you can look at how she normally acts on that level of alcohol, but if you have consensual sex with someone and they don't remember it, that should not be rape. I am capable of getting drunk making rational and deliberate decisions and not remember it, and have memory loss for hours, I can't be the only one wired like that. Like I said it also depends on other factors such as tiredness, and how much I have eaten.

If she was of sound enough state of mind to consent to one, how can she not have been able to consent to the other, it really has to be both guilty or both innocent.

[FrankieADZ]

Can't you get Life for rape though?

EDIT: Also what 'kind of rape' was it? Sex without her consent or pushing her down and forcing it?

i think its probably consent.

also just heard on SSN...he'll probably be out after 2.5 yrs...so much for the UK justice system....pah

[Milton Keynes Fox]

i think its probably consent.

also just heard on SSN...he'll probably be out after 2.5 yrs...so much for the UK justice system....pah

Surely if she kissed him back and undressed him or something that's consent.

[Finnegan]

Surely if she kissed him back and undressed him or something that's consent.

You can withdraw your consent at any point.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

It also makes you wonder what his mindset was to do what he did. Both must have known how pissed she was but what other reason did he have for going there other than to have sex with her. More worryingly, was it the first time this has happened? Wonder if tgere will be any other girls that come out of the woods now the trial is over.

[Guest MattP]

I wouldn't bother WTF BBQ, it's the obligatory tw@t comment.

How anyone can +1 that is beyond me.

I did that as a pisstake.

[kingfox]

Just to think Leicester nearly signed him for £1 million in the summer, plenty of rumours about him coming to us wasn't there

We said he was shit, but he has been banging in the goals, but now he is banged up in jail, doubt his career is over just like King, he is only 24 I think.

But has got what he deserved, just waiting for the King and Evans related jokes now...

[Captain...]

I do think McDonald getting off entirely is outrageous but if I understand it completely he can only be sentenced if he's found guilty specifically of what he was charged for? Which presumably is rape, not being an accessory?

If the girl knowingly went back to his hotel room, was witnessed doing so and it's her word against his what happened inside that room then it's going to be massively difficult to convict him of rape. What does for Evans is the fact he shows up later, after the girl is already in the room, lets himself in and she has no recollection of consenting to having sex with him.

I don't like it, it's all quite nasty, but you can see how it's gone in court.

But she has no recollection of consenting to either, just because she got in a taxi and went to a hotel room with him, doesn't mean she gave consent, it is impossible to prove either way and I fear that Evans has been found guilty because his behaviour comes across as a lot more sordid and unpleasant than McDonald, but in essence they did exactly the same thing, had sex with a girl that was too drunk to remember. There has been no talk of DNA evidence so the only way they could know that Evans had sex with her is if he/they admitted it, which you wouldn't do if you believed you had raped someone. Again that doesn't mean that they didn't but just that in their intoxicated state and the day after they didn't see anything wrong with their actions.

The only thing that should have been able to convict Evans over McDonald is the video footage taken by his mates, but there is no mention of this footage being shown in the court.

[Milton Keynes Fox]

You can withdraw your consent at any point.

Oh right never knew that, thanks!