Bellend Sebastian Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 Well that depends on what you're saying really doesn't it? Can you look at those comments and think that influencing kids with extreme views is a good thing? If you give them a more balanced view then fine. We're older and can look at rubbish like that and just think shut the hell up you old fart, kids don't think like that do they? Can fans of The Smiths and Bragg honestly say their political views weren't influenced by their lyrics? I never liked the Queen anyway and I still eat meat after over 25 years of listening to his records, so as a brainwasher Moz needs to pull his finger out.
Captain... Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 And there's the point about balance. If they are constantly exposed to just one view they will inevitably start to agree with it. It is exactly like brainwashing. Why do you think people like him never went into politics? Because no-one would give him the time of day and why do that when you can influence people in other ways, sometimes without them even knowing it. If an audience is generally older people then ok, it doesn't matter that much but if it's generally kids then musicians do have a responsibility to their young fans, whether they like it or not, just as parents and teachers do. Extreme views are ok for us but not for the young and impressionable. As parents, we don't really want kids listening to those kinds of views until they're older, do we? And for a good reason Why should an artist or anyone else censor their views? Should OzLeicester not post on here about animal rights? Art is partly about expressing views and opinions, and it should not be censored, at times it should be ridiculed and at times it should be ignored but it should never be censored or diluted.
Guest MattP Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 Wow, that's the first statement I've ever seen Billy Bragg make without mentioning Thatcher, maybe he is going to try and join us in the 90's soon.
purpleronnie Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 Wow, that's the first statement I've ever seen Billy Bragg make without mentioning Thatcher, maybe he is going to try and join us in the 90's soon. You don't read much about him then.
Daggers Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 All well and good if your audience is of our age, we won't be influenced by it but when the likes of Morrisey and Bragg were popular, their audience was kids and teenagers, some of them are going to be vulnerable and impressionable. To kids, they're heroes and they hang on their every word and believe it. Opinion wasn't just being influenced, it was being created. Is that really what you think music should be for? If a musician wants to spout political crap, they should go into politics otherwise it's not much more than an abuse of their position Luckily, I listened to Never Mind The Bollocks a lot - so I can disregard your post.
purpleronnie Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 I just want to listen to music where the artist has no opinion and just sings a load of meaningless dross. I need to buy gary numans greatest 'hit'.
Guest MattP Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 You don't read much about him then. I try to read as little of him possible (though I like his message from the last page), problem is he always always gets these gigs on the politics show, this week etc where he'll sing a song from a mining village somewhere before being told by a couple of politicians to grow up again and then he vanishes back to his mansion in Dorset for six months.
Daggers Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 I listened to Gary Numan once and ended up having to buy a bloody car. £9,000 out of bloody pocket I was. Still, it wasn't as bad as the time I had to become a 1930's gangster after listening to The Specials.
purpleronnie Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 I try to read as little of him possible (though I like his message from the last page), problem is he always always gets these gigs on the politics show, this week etc where he'll sing a song from a mining village somewhere before being told by a couple of politicians to grow up again and then he vanishes back to his mansion in Dorset for six months. I've seen him on a few and he's always spoken well, and just because he now has moved into a nice house people (inc the EDL) assume his opinion is irrelevant, but you dont lose your ideals just because you hit 50 or have some money.
Leicester_Numan Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 I listened to Gary Numan once and ended up having to buy a bloody car. £9,000 out of bloody pocket I was. Still, it wasn't as bad as the time I had to become a 1930's gangster after listening to The Specials. well, it's the only way to live. Did you feel safe in it?
Guest MattP Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 I've seen him on a few and he's always spoken well, and just because he now has moved into a nice house people (inc the EDL) assume his opinion is irrelevant, but you dont lose your ideals just because you hit 50 or have some money. I agree to an extent, but it does lose some of it's voice when you turn up telling the people of Barking to embrace something you as moved away from as quickly as possible soon as you got some decent money. At least Peter Thatchell and Diane Abbott live the same day to day live among the people they claim to represent. I agree he can talk well, but like last time it all to often ends in him going back to 1980, moaning about Thatcher and everyone on the show from all parties laughing at him.
Leicester_Numan Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 I just want to listen to music where the artist has no opinion and just sings a load of meaningless dross. I need to buy gary numans greatest 'hit'. He's had 25 chart hits. Seeing as Cars changed the face of music I think it can safely be considered his greatest hit even though you didn't mean it like that
purpleronnie Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 I agree to an extent, but it does lose some of it's voice when you turn up telling the people of Barking to embrace something you as moved away from as quickly as possible soon as you got some decent money. At least Peter Thatchell and Diane Abbott live the same day to day live among the people they claim to represent. I agree he can talk well, but like last time it all to often ends in him going back to 1980, moaning about Thatcher and everyone on the show from all parties laughing at him. sure but he didnt move as soon as he had money his whole family are from there its been more of his life than not, he knows more about that area than the EDL do...and focusing on community, and embracing cultures is surely what poeople want you dont need to live there to understand thats a positive thing whilst the edl want to create divides.. He continues to raise money and perform to stop facism, to help former inmates amonst many other charitable causes he's been actively involved with over 30 years, infact his whole career he has done more than any artist I know of in those areas and even now all these years later his main concern is to help the less fortunate..knock that if you will but it earns the greatest respect from me.
Leicester_Numan Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 Why should an artist or anyone else censor their views? Should OzLeicester not post on here about animal rights? Art is partly about expressing views and opinions, and it should not be censored, at times it should be ridiculed and at times it should be ignored but it should never be censored or diluted. No-one said it should be censored. I only said that extreme views are not what we want kids listening to until they're older because it does have an effect on them whether some people are willing to admit it or not
Captain... Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 No-one said it should be censored. I only said that extreme views are not what we want kids listening to until they're older because it does have an effect on them whether some people are willing to admit it or not sounds a little like censorship to me, there are certainly adult themes that children should be protected from, but vegetarianism (Morrissey) and socialism (Bragg) are not really up there with Sex and drugs for me.
Daggers Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 No-one said it should be censored. I only said that extreme views are not what we want kids listening to until they're older because it does have an effect on them whether some people are willing to admit it or not Absolute cock. I want my children to listen to as diverse a range of views on any given subject so that they can make their own mind up. The idea that children should be kept in ignorance because 'they can't handle the truth' is a steaming pile of shit. As for Bragg being a proponent of "extreme views" - have you been hit on the head recently?
Guest MattP Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 I want my children to listen to as diverse a range of views on any given subject so that they can make their own mind up. The idea that children should be kept in ignorance because 'they can't handle the truth' is a steaming pile of shit. I'd quite happily keep all children in complete ignorance from being taught religion before the brain is fully developed.
purpleronnie Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 Absolute cock. I want my children to listen to as diverse a range of views on any given subject so that they can make their own mind up. The idea that children should be kept in ignorance because 'they can't handle the truth' is a steaming pile of shit. As for Bragg being a proponent of "extreme views" - have you been hit on the head recently? He's extreme compared to gary numan...who of course is extremely relevant thesedays. I don't think you'll change his mind, he seems to defend numan as if it was his dad.....maybe he is?
Leicester_Numan Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 He's extreme compared to gary numan...who of course is extremely relevant thesedays. I don't think you'll change his mind, he seems to defend numan as if it was his dad.....maybe he is? I don't, you just have a bee in your bonnet about him for some reason
Leicester_Numan Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 Absolute cock. I want my children to listen to as diverse a range of views on any given subject so that they can make their own mind up. The idea that children should be kept in ignorance because 'they can't handle the truth' is a steaming pile of shit. As for Bragg being a proponent of "extreme views" - have you been hit on the head recently? Why do we have a watershed on tv? Why do video games, films and some music have age restrictions? Why do we keep our kids away from pornography? Society in general accepts there are things that kids should not be exposed to until they're old enough. If you don't think that, that's up to you but you're in the minority
Webbo Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 Absolute cock. I want my children to listen to as diverse a range of views on any given subject so that they can make their own mind up. The idea that children should be kept in ignorance because 'they can't handle the truth' is a steaming pile of shit. As for Bragg being a proponent of "extreme views" - have you been hit on the head recently? Will you let them read the Daily Mail? The more I read this thread the more I think thank god for people like Morrisey. Someone who speaks their mind and if you don't like it tough shit.
Captain... Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 Will you let them read the Daily Mail? The more I read this thread the more I think thank god for people like Morrisey. Someone who speaks their mind and if you don't like it tough shit. Of course we need people like Morrisey, but I think he does more harm the good the way he promotes his causes, it is good he says what he thinks, but the way does it just leaves him open to mockery, and it is too easy to dismiss as cynical self promotion. Yes I will let my kids read the Daily Mail, but only after I have taught them to distinguish fact from rhetoric and sensationalism.
Guest MattP Posted 8 August 2012 Posted 8 August 2012 The Daily Mail should cough up for advertising on this website.
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