Daggers Posted 21 September 2012 Posted 21 September 2012 "If people swear at the police then they must expect to be arrested" "If people feel there are no comebacks...then I fear they will go on to commit worse crimes"
Daggers Posted 21 September 2012 Author Posted 21 September 2012 “This is a threat to law and order. When I trained in London four years ago, if someone swore directly at you – I was called a “f****** pigâ€, for instance – you would give them one warning, then arrest them if they refused to stop†“It is vital that you take action in such circumstances. The police should not have to put up with this behaviour.†Well said, David Davies.
cambridgefox Posted 21 September 2012 Posted 21 September 2012 I'm sure if I would have acted exactly the same at a football match(minus the bike) the outcome would have been somewhat different .
Guest MattP Posted 21 September 2012 Posted 21 September 2012 I don't think many people would disagree, he should be treated exactly the same as everybody else. The coppers were clearly being cnuts as usual, but you should always respect people and speak to them how you expect to be spoken to yourself.
cambridgefox Posted 21 September 2012 Posted 21 September 2012 I also think that after the terrible week the Police force have had thislso makes him an insensitive stupid cvnt.
Daggers Posted 21 September 2012 Author Posted 21 September 2012 Unlike a Tory to think of people as "plebs". Back of the net. ***BAM***
z-layrex Posted 21 September 2012 Posted 21 September 2012 He was right to call the policeman a pleb by the sounds of it tbh. Ruin a mans career because he got angry and said something stupid?
LJS Posted 21 September 2012 Posted 21 September 2012 He's a politician. He knows he can't go about calling people plebs. A Tory especially can't get away with it; it gives the opposition some lovely ammunition. Whether or not the copper in question was being a pillock or not, Mitchell should have known better. If he loses his job over it, tough luck. Undone by his own stupidity.
Guest MattP Posted 21 September 2012 Posted 21 September 2012 He's a politician. He knows he can't go about calling people plebs. A Tory especially can't get away with it; it gives the opposition some lovely ammunition. Whether or not the copper in question was being a pillock or not, Mitchell should have known better. If he loses his job over it, tough luck. Undone by his own stupidity.
Jimothy Posted 21 September 2012 Posted 21 September 2012 Either you're incredibly stupid, or you chose not read the whole of that post. Talk about highlighting something to take it out of context.
acooling08 Posted 21 September 2012 Posted 21 September 2012 Sounds like the policeman was being a pedantic twat tbh, high on his ego as many cops are.
Guest MattP Posted 21 September 2012 Posted 21 September 2012 Either you're incredibly stupid, or you chose not read the whole of that post. Talk about highlighting something to take it out of context. I agreed with the rest of the post, I just loved the quote as you can't get with using as insult "especially as he's a Tory" - It made me laugh.
LJS Posted 21 September 2012 Posted 21 September 2012 The Conservatives, rightly or wrongly, are always going to be seen as the party of the privileged. Just as Labour will always have a reputation as a tax and spend party. If a Tory politician goes about calling people "plebs" it reinforces that reputation. Prats like Mitchell make it easy for the likes of Miliband and Balls to point to the Tories' 'posh boy' reputation and say "we told you so". Plenty of people will lap it up. Admittedly these people, like me, are never going to vote Tory anyway, but he does his party harm by cocking up in this way, which is why he'll probably end up sacked.
Guest MattP Posted 21 September 2012 Posted 21 September 2012 The Conservatives, rightly or wrongly, are always going to be seen as the party of the privileged. Just as Labour will always have a reputation as a tax and spend party. If a Tory politician goes about calling people "plebs" it reinforces that reputation. Prats like Mitchell make it easy for the likes of Miliband and Balls to point to the Tories' 'posh boy' reputation and say "we told you so". Completely agree, it's a stereotype that still wrongly exists when you consider even the Labour MP's from the poorest streets of London like Diane Abbott now send their children to the poshest and most privledged school they possibly can. Pleb isn't real Tory talk though, he should have referred to them as "oiks", that would have made him a real Bullingdon man.
Jimothy Posted 21 September 2012 Posted 21 September 2012 I agreed with the rest of the post, I just loved the quote as you can't get with using as insult "especially as he's a Tory" - It made me laugh. As he followed it up with,"it gives the opposition some lovely ammunition", I'm pretty sure he was referring to the fact he was in Government, not that he can't say that because he happens to be from a certain political party. When you're in government something thing like this is brilliant for the opposition, it's free points. Labour won't have to do much to score a couple of political points from this. You gotta watch what you say when you're in a position of power, everything is pulled apart and used against you.
LJS Posted 21 September 2012 Posted 21 September 2012 As he followed it up with,"it gives the opposition some lovely ammunition", I'm pretty sure he was referring to the fact he was in Government, not that he can't say that because he happens to be from a certain political party. When you're in government something thing like this is brilliant for the opposition, it's free points. Labour won't have to do much to score a couple of political points from this. You gotta watch what you say when you're in a position of power, everything is pulled apart and used against you. A bit of both, really. No politician would get good press from using the words Mitchell did, but it's worse coming from a Tory because of the historical reputation of the party. Cameron's first task upon becoming Tory leader was to set about 'detoxifying' the Tory 'brand'. Cases such as this only highlight why that was necessary in the first place.
Jimothy Posted 21 September 2012 Posted 21 September 2012 A bit of both, really. No politician would get good press from using the words Mitchell did, but it's worse coming from a Tory because of the historical reputation of the party. Cameron's first task upon becoming Tory leader was to set about 'detoxifying' the Tory 'brand'. Cases such as this only highlight why that was necessary in the first place. Fair enough, your original post read like you were saying what I said. No politician would get good press that's true but it's much more damaging when you're the governing party. Labour can't say what they like, but they can get away with a bit more. Slip ups, scandals etc will get swept under the carpet more, and the Tories can't really go to town on anything they do do, so something like this would probably pass without much notice from an opposition MP, where as a high ranking governing MP it's major news.
Rincewind Posted 21 September 2012 Posted 21 September 2012 I thought the policeman was stopping him from taking a bike into a prohibited area. He was doing his job. Following instructions which may have come from 10 Downing Street itself as part of health and safety or security regulation. If he had visited before he should have been aware of it. They don't put any bobby on at Downing Street and it would not be a rookie but one with experience in handling people. If he does not like the rule then he should take it up with the PM and not someone doing a very hard job for the fraction of the wage he gets for sitting on his backside all day.
acooling08 Posted 22 September 2012 Posted 22 September 2012 I thought the policeman was stopping him from taking a bike into a prohibited area. He was doing his job. Following instructions which may have come from 10 Downing Street itself as part of health and safety or security regulation. If he had visited before he should have been aware of it. They don't put any bobby on at Downing Street and it would not be a rookie but one with experience in handling people. If he does not like the rule then he should take it up with the PM and not someone doing a very hard job for the fraction of the wage he gets for sitting on his backside all day. Suggesting that the policeman has a harder job than the MP is just wrong. As for fraction of the wage, I'd snap your fvcking hand off for a 20k+ starting salary in my occupation.
I am Rod Hull Posted 22 September 2012 Posted 22 September 2012 Suggesting that the policeman has a harder job than the MP is just wrong. As for fraction of the wage, I'd snap your fvcking hand off for a 20k+ starting salary in my occupation.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 22 September 2012 Posted 22 September 2012 I thought the policeman was stopping him from taking a bike into a prohibited area. He was doing his job. Following instructions which may have come from 10 Downing Street itself as part of health and safety or security regulation. If he had visited before he should have been aware of it. They don't put any bobby on at Downing Street and it would not be a rookie but one with experience in handling people. If he does not like the rule then he should take it up with the PM and not someone doing a very hard job for the fraction of the wage he gets for sitting on his backside all day. What did he think he was? A suicide cyclist?
purpleronnie Posted 22 September 2012 Posted 22 September 2012 I've always wondered why the police have such a problem with swearing in england...being arrested for swearing...jeez...havent they got anything better to do.
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