Rincewind Posted 12 October 2012 Posted 12 October 2012 He may have been warned several times about displaying offensive material. Newspapers only report what will sell and cause debate. If they had reported for instance that he had been told that if he wears an offensive shirt again he could go to prison several times everyone would have said good decision. Because of the timing and no knowledge of the court case it looks like a one off. I doubt prison will change him though. He has certain views which are now re-enforced so with the support from 'the freedom of speech' brigade will probably do it again. Next time it could be 'kill a nurse' or 'kill a traffic warden' or 'kill a LCFC fan' Then most on here would call to jail him.
Webbo Posted 12 October 2012 Posted 12 October 2012 He may have been warned several times about displaying offensive material. Newspapers only report what will sell and cause debate. If they had reported for instance that he had been told that if he wears an offensive shirt again he could go to prison several times everyone would have said good decision. Because of the timing and no knowledge of the court case it looks like a one off. I doubt prison will change him though. He has certain views which are now re-enforced so with the support from 'the freedom of speech' brigade will probably do it again. Next time it could be 'kill a nurse' or 'kill a traffic warden' or 'kill a LCFC fan' Then most on here would call to jail him. Maybe he comes from a poor background and deserves compassion.
Captain... Posted 12 October 2012 Posted 12 October 2012 What factors can make a gang of people kicking someone in the head worse than a single person wearing an idiotic t-shirt? Well lets start with previous offences and see where we end up...
Captain... Posted 12 October 2012 Posted 12 October 2012 Maybe he comes from a poor background and deserves compassion. Well that is not for us to judge, there is a group of people who are employed to use their judgement, to judge people and pass sentences based on that judgement, the have all the facts to hand to make these judgements, and judge based on their personality, background, any mitigating circumstances and previous offences. Unfortunately the papers normally come out after this so they can't use their spin on things to help their judgement when judging people. But I can't for the life of me remember what they are called
Webbo Posted 12 October 2012 Posted 12 October 2012 Well that is not for us to judge, there is a group of people who are employed to use their judgement, to judge people and pass sentences based on that judgement, the have all the facts to hand to make these judgements, and judge based on their personality, background, any mitigating circumstances and previous offences. Unfortunately the papers normally come out after this so they can't use their spin on things to help their judgement when judging people. But I can't for the life of me remember what they are called Can't help you, I'm no judge of these kind of things.
Guest MattP Posted 12 October 2012 Posted 12 October 2012 Well lets start with previous offences and see where we end up... I actually agree with Houdini here. I don't think there are any previous factors I can think of where a gang kicking someone to shit in the middle of the street should stay out of prison whereas a man who drew some anti-police graffiti on his T-Shirt should. I'd struggle even if the T Shirt guy was Harry Roberts and all four of the gang had clean records, I'd still send the gang down first.
Rincewind Posted 12 October 2012 Posted 12 October 2012 Maybe he comes from a poor background and deserves compassion. Maybe he's had bad experiences with the law or his family or he comes from a middle class family who like to tell their friens at dinner parties that they like to help the lower classes. We do not know his reasons. Many things influence a person when growing up. Family, friends , school social life, work, no work wrongly arrested. Take your choice
Webbo Posted 12 October 2012 Posted 12 October 2012 Maybe he's had bad experiences with the law or his family or he comes from a middle class family who like to tell their friens at dinner parties that they like to help the lower classes. We do not know his reasons. Many things influence a person when growing up. Family, friends , school social life, work, no work wrongly arrested. Take your choice So when some kid steals 60 cars and burgles 250 houses he deserves compassion, but when a man (admittedly a scum bag) wears an offensive t shirt he ought to be locked up?
Rincewind Posted 12 October 2012 Posted 12 October 2012 Did not say that. Thought he was older than 19. Anyway if he can be helped to stay out of jail and change his life around I'll be for it.
Houdini Logic Posted 12 October 2012 Posted 12 October 2012 Well lets start with previous offences and see where we end up... What?! I don't care if his previous offences are rape and murder and if those girls hadn't even had a warning in their life - one person wearing an offence t-shirt should never be put in prison for a substantially longer time than a person who will kick the shit out of someone. Never. I don't think there are any previous factors I can think of where a gang kicking someone to shit in the middle of the street should stay out of prison whereas a man who drew some anti-police graffiti on his T-Shirt should. 100%
MooseBreath Posted 12 October 2012 Posted 12 October 2012 Well that is not for us to judge, there is a group of people who are employed to use their judgement, to judge people and pass sentences based on that judgement, the have all the facts to hand to make these judgements, and judge based on their personality, background, any mitigating circumstances and previous offences. Unfortunately the papers normally come out after this so they can't use their spin on things to help their judgement when judging people. But I can't for the life of me remember what they are called They judge based on personality? So you can be jailed for what, being a bit of a tit? Come off it. Judges aren't supposed to have a free reign to dish out whatever punishments they feel like. They are supposed to apply the law by following judicial precedent. There is no precedent for this. Quite the opposite in fact. And if this becomes a new precedent then we're all ****ed (hope that swearing didn't offend anyone, otherwise I'm going to jail). It's a crazy decision, in a fair world the judge would now be facing tough questions about his suitability for the role. Luckily for him the mope pleaded guilty so the judge will get away with it. Incidentally apparently the guy had a kid who died in police custody a few years back.
Jordan Posted 12 October 2012 Posted 12 October 2012 8 months in a prison is a bit harsh, but 8 months in an asylum sounds like a more appropriate course of action for him. I hope the people that put him away never find themselves listening to Leftover Crack. I would hope that anybody with any shred of dignity never finds himself listening to Leftover Crack.
flowwolf Posted 13 October 2012 Posted 13 October 2012 Maybe he comes from a poor background and deserves compassion. Yes lets show him the same compassion he showed the families of the dead police officers. :thumbup:
Steven Posted 13 October 2012 Posted 13 October 2012 Yes lets show him the same compassion he showed the families of the dead police officers. :thumbup: You mean the same compassion that the Police have shown to those that have "died in custody" and needlessly violently at the hands of the Police. :thumbup:
Collymore Posted 13 October 2012 Posted 13 October 2012 I'm sure the marketing manager of Reebok would have a massive face palm if they saw that photo!
flowwolf Posted 13 October 2012 Posted 13 October 2012 You mean the same compassion that the Police have shown to those that have "died in custody" and needlessly violently at the hands of the Police. :thumbup: Exactly the same.
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