Chef - describes a visit to Leicester "as one of the most frightening experiences of my life".

[Guest]

So you accept that all that shit exists then so it's not clean.

My point was that it's dirty because of it's inhabitants and in all probability the ones dropping litter, chewing gum and vandalising are no more likely to be Asian than white.

Perhaps we just disagree on "shit"

From observation I'd say they're more likely to be white than Asian.

[Rincewind]

Perhaps we just disagree on "shit"

From observation I'd say they're more likely to be white than Asian.

That buggers Mooses theory then.

[MooseBreath]

Perhaps we just disagree on "shit"

From observation I'd say they're more likely to be white than Asian.

What about in India where it is socially acceptable to drop litter wherever you want? Is that white people's fault too? You see no possibility that the Indians might have brought this disgusting practice over here with them?

[Jimothy]

If the first definition is correct then the field of elite sprinting is extremely racist against the Japanese. Clearly it is a nonsensical definition.

I agree that generalised statements are unintelligent but that doesn't make them racist.

What does believing ones own race is superior and has a right to rule others have to do with elite sprinting? Unless Usain Bolt believes him and Yohan Blake have to right to tell Christophe Lemaitre what to do.

[Guest]

What about in India where it is socially acceptable to drop litter wherever you want? Is that white people's fault too? You see no possibility that the Indians might have brought this disgusting practice over here with them?

Go into the city centre this evening and count how many whites and how many asians drop litter. Tell me your result tomorrow.

[Guest]

What about in India where it is socially acceptable to drop litter wherever you want? Is that white people's fault too? You see no possibility that the Indians might have brought this disgusting practice over here with them?

And try not to sidetrack your argument with people in India - you sound foolish. Concentrate on those that were mentioned in the article asians in Leicester.

[MooseBreath]

What does believing ones own race is superior and has a right to rule others have to do with elite sprinting? Unless Usain Bolt believes him and Yohan Blake have to right to tell Christophe Lemaitre what to do.

"determine cultural or individual achievement"

And try not to sidetrack your argument with people in India - you sound foolish. Concentrate on those that were mentioned in the article asians in Leicester.

Who come from where?

[Rincewind]

Is India a Muslim country? The TV chef said she felt in Leicester because she saw a few in Burkas and associated them with what she had heard and read about. Moose is saying she was right to be afraid because the streets in India are unclean.

Something does not add up here. I shall have to think about this one.

[skinnydipper]

If the first definition is correct then the field of elite sprinting is extremely racist against the Japanese. Clearly it is a nonsensical definition.

I agree that generalised statements are unintelligent but that doesn't make them racist.

But the field of elite sprinting isn't something that holds a belief per se. Elite sprinting isn't racist because black people perform better.

Agreed, but a lot of racist statements are based on generality.

[MooseBreath]

Is India a Muslim country? The TV chef said she felt in Leicester because she saw a few in Burkas and associated them with what she had heard and read about. Moose is saying she was right to be afraid because the streets in India are unclean.

Something does not add up here. I shall have to think about this one.

No need for you to trouble yourself with thinking. Jut go back and read through the thread again so you can correctly pick up what is being discussed.

[Dr The Singh]

What about in India where it is socially acceptable to drop litter wherever you want? Is that white people's fault too? You see no possibility that the Indians might have brought this disgusting practice over here with them?

Errrrrmm you find in that's not quite true, rural punjab is very clean and in punjab it isn;t socially acceptable, but funnily enough pissing and shitting anywhere is acceptable!!

[MooseBreath]

But the field of elite sprinting isn't something that holds a belief per se. Elite sprinting isn't racist because black people perform better.

Agreed, but a lot of racist statements are based on generality.

But you saying black people perform better would be racist by that definition because you believe that black people are inherently more likely to achieve elite status in sprinting, a cultural and individual achievement.

[Jimothy]

"determine cultural or individual achievement"

Talk about taking the part of it you want to use to make your point. The whole definition included the part about being superior and ruling others. If it was just the first bit about your ethnicity having a influence over how well you at certain things I would agree with you to a degree, it certainly true in terms of sprinting, but it wasn't just the first part was it.

So do you think it's an outdated view to think you can rule people because they have different colour skin and therefore you think they are lesser beings than you is outdated, or did you conveniently ignore that part because it would have ruined your argument?

[Rincewind]

This

ON LEICESTER

I had one of the most frightening experiences of my life there.

Leicester has a very high Asian Muslim population and I found myself in an area where all the men were wearing Islamic clothing and all the women were wearing burkas and walking slightly behind them.

Not India

[MooseBreath]

Errrrrmm you find in that's not quite true, rural punjab is very clean, but funnily enough pissing and shitting anywhere is acceptable!!

Yes some areas are very clean. Would you agree that a large part of India has what we in this country would call a 'problem' with littering though?

[skinnydipper]

What about in India where it is socially acceptable to drop litter wherever you want? Is that white people's fault too? You see no possibility that the Indians might have brought this disgusting practice over here with them?

Maybe, as revenge we should export to India our closing time practices of stabbings, fights and pissing, shitting and puking in the streets

[MooseBreath]

Talk about taking the part of it you want to use to make your point. The whole definition included the part about being superior and ruling others. If it was just the first bit about your ethnicity having a influence over how well you at certain things I would agree with you to a degree, it certainly true in terms of sprinting, but it wasn't just the first part was it.

So do you think it's an outdated view to think you can rule people because they have different colour skin and therefore you think they are lesser beings than you is outdated, or did you conveniently ignore that part because it would have ruined your argument?

I didn't ignore that part at all. It is qualified with "usually", not "necessarily", which explicitly means that the latter part need not be present for the definition to apply.

[Dr The Singh]

Yes some areas are very clean. Would you agree that a large part of India has what we in this country would call a 'problem' with littering though?

Most of india is full of the destitute and poor, any litter would be used for clothing, shelter or tampons. India is a continent, I care not for the rest of the continent other then punjab. But fair to say, some places are a shit hole, littering, rape, child prostitute, drugs, aids etc!!! Nothing like Leicester.

[Dr The Singh]

Maybe, as revenge we should export to India our closing time practices of stabbings, fights and pissing, shitting and puking in the streets

Already happens, but in broad daylight!!

[Vacamion]

Most of india is full of the destitute and poor, any litter would be used for clothing, shelter or tampons. India is a continent, I care not for the rest of the continent other then punjab. But fair to say, some places are a shit hole, littering, rape, child prostitute, drugs, aids etc!!! Nothing like Leicester.

A bit like the Monsell, though...

[Dr The Singh]

A bit like the Monsell, though...

The women are better looking though........in India!!!

[skinnydipper]

But you saying black people perform better would be racist by that definition because you believe that black people are inherently more likely to achieve elite status in sprinting, a cultural and individual achievement.

If you prefer the truncated definition under 1

[Guest BlueBrett]

Accurate how though? How can you justify a statement like that? It's clearly a lie, every asian part of every city?? he's never been to them so it smacks of racism, I'm sure you can see that, but you feel the need to back every racist post on here because...well you know why, I'm not surprised you agree I'm sure you feel every area where there is a high density of non whites is automatically a shithole, he clearly has a inherent dislike or close minded view of areas like that purely based on his racist view.

You are mad. How do you know where I've been? I've actually seen quite a lot of England and in my experience there is a strong correlation between shitty areas and areas dominated by Asian communities. I think it is pretty ridiculous to accuse someone of racism for saying something like that when simply taking a stroll through any number of city outskirts would reveal what I said to be true. As for your closing statement..I'd love to know what that is based on? My definition of a shithole has nothing to do with the ethnicity of the people living there (can't believe I'm having to point this out but for the sake of offering clarity sharp enough to cut through your faux indignation and hypersensitivity - yes a white area can be a shithole), all I said was that a lot of Asian areas do meet my definition.

I know I have included a couple of question marks in my post but please don't take that to mean I'd like you to respond. I already know everything you are likely to say so save yourself the writing and save me the reading.

[Dr The Singh]

You are mad. How do you know where I've been? I've actually seen quite a lot of England and in my experience there is a strong correlation between shitty areas and areas dominated by Asian communities. I think it is pretty ridiculous to accuse someone of racism for saying something like that when simply taking a stroll through any number of city outskirts would reveal what I said to be true. As for your closing statement..I'd love to know what that is based on? My definition of a shithole has nothing to do with the ethnicity of the people living there (can't believe I'm having to point this out but for the sake of offering clarity sharp enough to cut through your faux indignation and hypersensitivity - yes a white area can be a shithole), all I said was that a lot of Asian areas do meet my definition.

I know I have included a couple of question marks in my post but please don't take that to mean I'd like you to respond. I already know everything you are likely to say so save yourself the writing and save me the reading.

Asia is a massive continent, abit harsh on those parts of Asia that excel on average beyond the white. This is why I hate the word Asian

[purpleronnie]

You are mad. How do you know where I've been? I've actually seen quite a lot of England and in my experience there is a strong correlation between shitty areas and areas dominated by Asian communities. I think it is pretty ridiculous to accuse someone of racism for saying something like that when simply taking a stroll through any number of city outskirts would reveal what I said to be true. As for your closing statement..I'd love to know what that is based on? My definition of a shithole has nothing to do with the ethnicity of the people living there (can't believe I'm having to point this out but for the sake of offering clarity sharp enough to cut through your faux indignation and hypersensitivity - yes a white area can be a shithole), all I said was that a lot of Asian areas do meet my definition.

I know I have included a couple of question marks in my post but please don't take that to mean I'd like you to respond. I already know everything you are likely to say so save yourself the writing and save me the reading.

You're right I'm sure you've been to every asian area in England, its just you come across as a naive childish racist.

My mistake, my apologies.