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deanolegend1989 Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 O neil did a brilliant job at Villa! At a time when the top 4 were really stong, he managed to so nearly gatecrash it in 08/09. Look whats happened since he left. He did a splendid job and has done everywhere hes gone until so far at Sunderland where hes been pretty average. They are starting to pick up though and it would be no suprise to me if he manages to get them in Europe in a season or 2. LEGEND.
rico Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 Never forget this game against Bradford when Lennon actually sat on the ball during play http://youtu.be/T1ZzWoJALo4
coolhandfox Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 My favourite memory of Lennon was his debut (?) Away at Reading just after he signed. He was on the bench and came on the pitch to warm up during half-time. I've never seen a more intense warm-up. You could sense his frustration at not being on the pitch and his desire to be out there. He never disappointed on the enthusiasm front. I was there but can't remember how well Lennon played or warmed up, just nice to be there for the 1st game of a City Legend!
coolhandfox Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 O neil did a brilliant job at Villa! At a time when the top 4 were really stong, he managed to so nearly gatecrash it in 08/09. Look whats happened since he left. He did a splendid job and has done everywhere hes gone until so far at Sunderland where hes been pretty average. They are starting to pick up though and it would be no suprise to me if he manages to get them in Europe in a season or 2. LEGEND. I love O'Neill he did a fantastic job at LCFC, but he sent around £120 million on players during 4 season at Villa, without delivering a trophy or anything more then a 6th place, am not sure that counts as a brilliant job. In the 08/09 season he spent 51.3m, not including wages. O'Neill overspending is one of the reasons Villa are in their current state.
flowwolf Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 I love O'Neill he did a fantastic job at LCFC, but he sent around £120 million on players during 4 season at Villa, without delivering a trophy or anything more then a 6th place, am not sure that counts as a brilliant job. In the 08/09 season he spent 51.3m, not including wages. O'Neill overspending is one of the reasons Villa are in their current state. Spot on. Ask any Villa fan if they thought he did a "great" job with their club. What has gone on at Villa since he left is a direct result of buying expensive players on ridiculous wages and contracts that never delivered.
Fox92 Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Spot on. Ask any Villa fan if they thought he did a "great" job with their club. What has gone on at Villa since he left is a direct result of buying expensive players on ridiculous wages and contracts that never delivered. But ask them where they'd rather be.. bottom three, or challenging for 5th and 6th.
flowwolf Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 But ask them where they'd rather be.. bottom three, or challenging for 5th and 6th. That is pretty obvious. But under O'Neil that is all they were doing " challenging " as I said my objection was of the use of the word" great" in relation to his spell at Villa , it simply wasn't, given the amount of money he spent and few of his signings turned out to be " great " either.
Langston Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Spot on. Ask any Villa fan if they thought he did a "great" job with their club. What has gone on at Villa since he left is a direct result of buying expensive players on ridiculous wages and contracts that never delivered. One of my colleagues is a Villa fan and says he'd commit sins beyond his wildest dreams to have O'Neill back. You mention what he spent - but the sell on fees of some of his pricier signings (Milner, Young, Downing) far exceeded what he paid for them. Name a handful of players he gave ludicrous contracts to / spent large sums on that failed to deliver and I'll concede that you're correct. Curtis Davies is the main offender that springs to mind but can't think of too many others.
coolhandfox Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 One of my colleagues is a Villa fan and says he'd commit sins beyond his wildest dreams to have O'Neill back. You mention what he spent - but the sell on fees of some of his pricier signings (Milner, Young, Downing) far exceeded what he paid for them. Name a handful of players he gave ludicrous contracts to / spent large sums on that failed to deliver and I'll concede that you're correct. Curtis Davies is the main offender that springs to mind but can't think of too many others. It wasn't so much massive transfer fees but lots of average players signed for example Curtis Davies (£10m), Steve Sidwell (£5.5m), Nicky Shorey (£4m), Luke Young (£5m) Fabian Delph (£6m), Stephen Warnock (£6m), James Collins (£5m), Richard Dunne (£6m) He left Villa with an annual wage bill of £70m. I think he did a decent job at Villa just not a brilliant one, I'm sure your friend would have him back but Villa just could'nt afford to keep him. As I said before fantastic manager for City and Celtic, but he seems to be losing his touch.
Langston Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 It wasn't so much massive transfer fees but lots of average players signed i.e. Curtis Davies (£10m), Steve Sidwell (£5.5m), Nicky Shorey (£4m), Luke Young (£5m) Fabian Delph (£6m), Stephen Warnock (£6m), James Collins (£5m), Richard Dunne (£6m) He left Villa with an annual wage bill of £70m. I think he did a decent job at Villa just not a brilliant one. Let's not pluck figures out of thin air to make his spending look excessive, Sidwell cost just over a milly - and wasn't Davies more around £8m or so (sans clauses - which I doubt he met)? Agree that he overspent on Warnock, Shorey et al - but there were as many successes as there were failures (as is the case with virtually every football club), and top six finishes four years on the trot mark a very good job indeed from my viewpoint. For what it's worth I think Dunne was arguably one of the more reliable centre halves in the division at the time - he bags a few own goals, but both he and Collins are more than adequate PL centre halves and probably worth the spend.
coolhandfox Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Let's not pluck figures out of thin air to make his spending look excessive, Sidwell cost just over a milly - and wasn't Davies more around £8m or so (sans clauses - which I doubt he met)? Agree that he overspent on Warnock, Shorey et al - but there were as many successes as there were failures (as is the case with virtually every football club), and top six finishes four years on the trot mark a very good job indeed from my viewpoint. For what it's worth I think Dunne was arguably one of the more reliable centre halves in the division at the time - he bags a few own goals, but both he and Collins are more than adequate PL centre halves and probably worth the spend. BBC quotes 5m http://news.bbc.co.u...lla/7497536.stm, wiki say's 1.2m depend on which you see as a good source of information. I think he did a decent job just not a brilliant one as described by a few on this thread. Agree on Dunne, if he had been fit this year they would be in a far better position.
dmayne7 Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 It wasn't so much massive transfer fees but lots of average players signed for example Curtis Davies (£10m), Steve Sidwell (£5.5m), Nicky Shorey (£4m), Luke Young (£5m) Fabian Delph (£6m), Stephen Warnock (£6m), James Collins (£5m), Richard Dunne (£6m) He left Villa with an annual wage bill of £70m. I think he did a decent job at Villa just not a brilliant one, I'm sure your friend would have him back but Villa just could'nt afford to keep him. As I said before fantastic manager for City and Celtic, but he seems to be losing his touch. All of those player contributed though to helping Villa consistently finish in the top 6 and they were only held back by the fact that they had a small squad and needed 1 or 2 more to players to crack that top 4. He didn't do a great job but he has done a good job pretty much everywhere he has been and that makes him one of the best managers around.
Brauny Fox Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 So are lots of teams it does not make it " great " In my book great is when you actually get into europe or win some thing , he did neither with Villa and won't do with Sunderland either. He did get them into Europe in 2008/09, quaters against CSKA Moscow I think? He spent around £120m and sold a total of around £40m.
Langston Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 BBC quotes 5m http://news.bbc.co.u...lla/7497536.stm, wiki say's 1.2m depend on which you see as a good source of information. Lots of other sources quote £1.2 milly fella. He did get them into Europe in 2008/09, quaters against CSKA Moscow I think? He spent around £120m and sold a total of around £40m. Erm, didn't he recuperate nigh on £60 million through the sales of Milner, Young and Downing?
flowwolf Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Lots of other sources quote £1.2 milly fella. Erm, didn't he recuperate nigh on £60 million through the sales of Milner, Young and Downing? Yes and replaced them with dross, that my friend is why Villa is in the shit at present.
Brauny Fox Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Lots of other sources quote £1.2 milly fella. Erm, didn't he recuperate nigh on £60 million through the sales of Milner, Young and Downing? Nope, they left after he did. Really not sure why I'm even discussing this!? But here's the breakdown: 2006-07 In Stiliyan Petrov (Celtic, £6.5m) Didier Agathe (Celtic, Free) Chris Sutton (Celtic, Free) John Carew (Lyon, Swap) Ashley Young (Watford, £9.65m) Shaun Maloney (Celtic, £1.1m) Out Kevin Phillips (WBA, £700k) Matthieu Berson (Levante, £1m) Ulises De La Cruz (Reading, Free) Peter Whittingham (Cardiff City, £250k) Eric Djemba Djemba (Quatar, Free) Milan Baros (Lyon, Swap) Mark Delaney (Retired) Juan Pablo Angel (New York Red Bulls, Free) Spent: £17.25m Brought in: £1.95m Net spend:£15.3m 2007-08 In Moustapha Salifou (FC Wil, Undisc) Zat Knight (Fulham, £3.5m) Harry Forrester (Watford, £250 000) Eric Lichaj (Unattached, Free) Marlon Harewood (West Ham, £3.5m) Nigel Reo-Coker (West Ham £8.5m) Wayne Routledge (Tottenham, £1.5m) Out Liam Ridgewell (Birmingham, £2m) Jlloyd Samuel (Bolton, Free) Lee Hendrie (Sheffield United, Free) Chris Sutton Retired Didier Agathe released Steven Davis (Fulham, £4m) Aaron Hughes (Fulham, £1m) Gavin McCann (Bolton, £1m) Gary Cahill (Bolton, £4.5m) Robert Olejnik (Falkirk, Free) Spent: £17.25m Brought in: £12.5m Net spend:£4.75m 2008-09 In Curtis Davies (WBA, £10m) Steve Sidwell (Chelsea £5.5m) Brad Friedel (Blackburn, £2.5m) Brad Guzan (Chivas US, £1m) Nicky Shorey (Reading, £4m) Luke Young (Middlesbrough, £5m) Carlos Cuellar (Rangers £7.8m) James Milner (Newcastle, £12m) Arsenio Halfhuid (Excelsior, nominal) Emile Heskey (Wigan £3.5m) Out Luke Moore (West Brom - £3.5m) Olof Mellberg (Juventus - free) Patrick Berger (Sparta Prague - free) Thomas Sorensen (released) Shaun Maloney (Celtic, £1m) Wayne Routledge (undisclosed) Spent: £51.3m Brought in: £4.5m Net spend:£46.8m 2009-10 In Stewart Downing (Middlesbrough £10m) Fabian Delph (Leeds United £6m) Habib Beye (£2m) Andy Marshall (free agent) Stephen Warnock (£6m) James Collins (West Ham United, £5m) Richard Dunne (Manchester City, £6m) Out: Gareth Barry (Manchester City, £12m) Stuart Taylor (Manchester City, free) Zat Knight (Bolton £4.5m) Martin Laursen (retired) Craig Garnder (Birmingham, £3.5m) Spent: £35million Brought in: £20million Net spend:£15million 2010-11 In None Out Andy Marshall (released) Marlon Harewood (released) TOTALS 30 players in, Total £120.8million 29 players out, Total £38.95million NET SPEND:£81.85million
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