Fox92 Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 At least with King and Schlupp you could see them being at the heart of a future Leicester side, but Dyer, Gallagher and Wellens? Decent Championship players for sure, and I'm more than happy to see Dyer making regular appearances still, but if the aim was immediate promotion, why on earth give them new lenghty contracts, making it almost impossible to get rid of them. For me, this has been more detrimental to the club than some of the crap signings he made. Maybe he increased the wages of most players in and around the first team so that tehy wouldn't have their noses put out of joint when he started signing his big money players? That's the only conceivable explanation I can think of, and even that doesn't account for why he gave them such long contracts? Yeah, exactly. It's something I still don't get, well I think everybody doesn't get! Dyer, Wellens and Gallagher have contributed well to this club (especially during 09/10 and Dyer played in League One, also) but at that time, surely Sven wouldn't have thought they'd still be vital to the team in three/for years regardless of whether he was actually manager or not (which he isn't of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 At least with King and Schlupp you could see them being at the heart of a future Leicester side, but Dyer, Gallagher and Wellens? Decent Championship players for sure, and I'm more than happy to see Dyer making regular appearances still, but if the aim was immediate promotion, why on earth give them new lenghty contracts, making it almost impossible to get rid of them. For me, this has been more detrimental to the club than some of the crap signings he made. Maybe he increased the wages of most players in and around the first team so that tehy wouldn't have their noses put out of joint when he started signing his big money players? That's the only conceivable explanation I can think of, and even that doesn't account for why he gave them such long contracts? Totally agree with every word yet again. It's the lack of planning that gets me. Sven is an agents dream because the bloke's softer than Spongebob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waller5 Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 Yeah, exactly. It's something I still don't get, well I think everybody doesn't get! Dyer, Wellens and Gallagher have contributed well to this club (especially during 09/10 and Dyer played in League One, also) but at that time, surely Sven wouldn't have thought they'd still be vital to the team in three/for years regardless of whether he was actually manager or not (which he isn't of course). It seemed strange at the time too .... those players didn't even seem to be featuring and were handed new contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 It really is hard to understand why Gally and Richie have landed up on better long term contracts. Did SEG really think them good enough for the PL ? If so a poor judgement. And why such length of contrac, it's not that either are irreplaceable. It really highlights how poorly our club is being run. Now as for the OP give Wellens credit at least he his looking to make a go of it AND we can blame him if it all go's wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 That said I know for a fact that when Peggy was signed he could not speak a word of English and most if the players believed that the club did not realise this. It was quite amusing at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickov22 Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 Unbelievable really that people seriously think the likes of Gallagher, Wellens and SSL would rather sit on the bench and pick up the cash for the remainder of their contracts. It's just simply not true. They're all good lads who train properly and do their best to get into the team. Pretty sure all would love a permanent move elsewhere (within reason) if it meant they could play regularly. The fact is, we've yet to have any firm bids. I'm fairly certain when you're that rich the difference between a few grand a week isn't going to be the be all and end all. In my opinion most footballers want to play. I have nothing against any of them. I also agree with Bert that people are judgemental about certain players. How do we know they are happy to sit here and collect cash without playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 How do you know they aren't ? And don't forget the players in question go out on loan and we play well and are doing nicely in the league. When they return everything go's petong. I know it is only a coincidence, just saying that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickov22 Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 To suggest our bad run was anything to do with these 3 returning is stupid. It annoys me the stick Gally and Wellens in particular get. They may not be good enough anymore but in the past both have done well. Both seem decent chaps to me and I'm sure they both just want to play football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 Did I say that it is the reason for things going wrong ? As for the three in question Wellens has always had a reputation for being a alpha male, I do rate him but do feel he past his sell by date. I will take his statement at face value and he may still have a role to play, but he needs to show he is happy as a squad player. Gallys has never been more than a decent championship player, has to many negatives and his corners became woeful. Yes he has scored some crackers and is a ace penalty taker. I know he has had major personal issues and do feel for him on that front. Even his agent said he should come good at our club but that was in Pearsons first tenure. SSL the least said the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 To suggest our bad run was anything to do with these 3 returning is stupid. It annoys me the stick Gally and Wellens in particular get. They may not be good enough anymore but in the past both have done well. Both seem decent chaps to me and I'm sure they both just want to play football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 To suggest our bad run was anything to do with these 3 returning is stupid. It annoys me the stick Gally and Wellens in particular get. They may not be good enough anymore but in the past both have done well. Both seem decent chaps to me and I'm sure they both just want to play football If that's the case then howcome Wellens hasn't gone to Doncaster? I'm sure Dickov even admitted they were interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickov22 Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 If that's the case then howcome Wellens hasn't gone to Doncaster? I'm sure Dickov even admitted they were interested. Because Doncaster didn't bid for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 Because Doncaster didn't bid for him But surely if he is such a great chap they would have. Same as if he was as good as some like to think he is then he would be in the starting line up for us. It could well be that one year with us is worth the same as a four year deal from a club that would take him and he is unlikely to get a four year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorlestonFox Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 But surely if he is such a great chap they would have. Same as if he was as good as some like to think he is then he would be in the starting line up for us. It could well be that one year with us is worth the same as a four year deal from a club that would take him and he is unlikely to get a four year deal. And probably wouldnt/couldnt pay the wages he'd want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickov22 Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 But surely if he is such a great chap they would have. Same as if he was as good as some like to think he is then he would be in the starting line up for us. It could well be that one year with us is worth the same as a four year deal from a club that would take him and he is unlikely to get a four year deal. If you read my first post, at no point have I said he should be anywhere near our team. He's past it. What I said is, he once did a decent job for us. It irritates me that fans assume because he's still here, it means he wont budge and is happy to not play yet pick up thousands a week. We don't know that. The more likely is that we've had no bids for him so he's got no option but go remain and make himself available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 The more likely is that we've had no bids for him so he's got no option but go remain and make himself available He can always walk if he wanted to? Or cancel his current deal and sign a new one. These players do have choices and they are aware as much as we are of what is occurring. I tend to judge folk by their actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickov22 Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 He can always walk if he wanted to? Or cancel his current deal and sign a new one. These players do have choices and they are aware as much as we are of what is occurring. I tend to judge folk by their actions. It's one thing him taking a pay cut in order to get first team football somewhere else but do you really expect him to say 'ok, Sven gave me a deal worth £xxx but I can see now that the club are skint so I'll walk away or sign a new cheaper deal'. Jesus. Would YOU do that? As I've said, I'm sure that if we had a bid from a decent club, Wellens would go. Pretty sure he wants a regular game at his age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 It's one thing him taking a pay cut in order to get first team football somewhere else but do you really expect him to say 'ok, Sven gave me a deal worth £xxx but I can see now that the club are skint so I'll walk away or sign a new cheaper deal'. Jesus. Would YOU do that? [\quote] As I have said before a lot of people have had pay cuts forced on them over the last few years so it is not totally unrealistic to consider or ask players to consider this. I could be smug and say yes, but the turth of the matter is it would depend on my personal circumstances and I would hope at this stage of career and with the income I had had over the last two years it is not impossible to say yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 As I've said, I'm sure that if we had a bid from a decent club, Wellens would go. Pretty sure he wants a regular game at his age We don't need a bid just a club to take him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indierich06 Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 He can always walk if he wanted to? Or cancel his current deal and sign a new one. These players do have choices and they are aware as much as we are of what is occurring. I tend to judge folk by their actions. Oh yeah, he should just cancel his contract or take a massive pay cut. I'm sure you'd do the same in the circumstances. Don't blame these players because they've been put on ridiculous contracts, blame the people that authorised them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorlestonFox Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 Oh yeah, he should just cancel his contract or take a massive pay cut. I'm sure you'd do the same in the circumstances. Don't blame these players because they've been put on ridiculous contracts, blame the people that authorised them. Always, ALWAYS blame Wellens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 Always, ALWAYS blame Wellens. Always Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickov22 Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 We don't need a bid just a club to take him Know that 100% do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorlestonFox Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 Know that 100% do you? Well isnt it kind of obvious that he isnt going any where unless a club actually wants him?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 25 June 2013 Share Posted 25 June 2013 Oh yeah, he should just cancel his contract or take a massive pay cut. I'm sure you'd do the same in the circumstances. Don't blame these players because they've been put on ridiculous contracts, blame the people that authorised them. I am not blaming the players, but it would be interesting to know what reasons have been used to justify the contracts in the first place, but having been on a good screw there is nothing stopping them from changing the deal they are on or moving on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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