Harry - LCFC Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 All of them are fair shouts for penalties. Most are stonewall too. Vardy is very clever at getting to the ball first and drawing fouls. Also most championship keepers and defenders are pretty stupid too to be honest! Also, watch that video again, we're very good at simulating. I'm not saying diving; none of them were dives. But we're good at going down and making it look genuine. We're not doing the continental thing of throwing our arms up, theatrically going down and immediately looking round at the ref. Our players also don't appeal them too vigorously; we almost look sheepish to accept them. It's very clever stuff, and it's another area we've improved on massively this season. Playing the ref and being a bit cynical, which is something we haven't done for years. Which do you think are dives then?
Les-TA-Jon Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 I said I didn't think any of them were dives! we're very good at simulating. I'm not saying diving; none of them were dives.
maxwelld_ Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 Yeh well having seen it again it could have gone either way. You do follow my posts pretty closely though I notice. Hashtag #obsession
Guest ttfn Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 I think you're deluded with regard to misuse of the word "deluded" on here. Anyway, the guy used it correctly. Whether the people to whom he is referring are deluded or not doesn't affect whether or not his use of the term deluded is semantically correct. There's a difference between being deluded and having a different opinion to somebody else! Saying that to think scoring penalties is easy is deluded is obviously an incorrect use of the word when 4 in 5 are scored. They are easy to score, that's the whole point.
SystonFox Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 I think the one against Blackburn is pretty stonewall whereas most posters seem to agree that that one is the most dubious. De laet gets scissored down whilst in the box. How could it not be a penalty? Wigan at home, however is the most duBious for me. How many penalties did we get in, say, 2006/07 when we were super shite
MC Prussian Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 There's a difference between being deluded and having a different opinion to somebody else! Saying that to think scoring penalties is easy is deluded is obviously an incorrect use of the word when 4 in 5 are scored. They are easy to score, that's the whole point. I wouldn't say penalties are easy. As a penalty taker, you're still fighting yourself (your nerves) and the opposing goalkeeper. They are easier on paper, but there are enough prominent examples that failed from the spot and under much more crucial circumstances - Messi, Terry, Baggio, van Nistelrooy, Trezeguet, Asamoah Gyan.
FrankieADZ Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 I wouldn't say penalties are easy. As a penalty taker, you're still fighting yourself (your nerves) and the opposing goalkeeper. They are easier on paper, but there are enough prominent examples that failed from the spot and under much more crucial circumstances - Messi, Terry, Baggio, van Nistelrooy, Trezeguet, Asamoah Gyan. also takes alot of bottle to take them aswell, Personally think the annoying fact on our missed pens this season is the fact the keeper hasnt really had to work hard enough to save them. Hopefully KP will give some advice to Nugent on taking them.(not criticizing Nuge by no means, just want him to get to 20 goals )
Oxfordfox83 Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 So to take each of these in turn: Wycombe - Obvious penalty. Clipped the back of King's legs as he went into the box. Birmingham - Not a penalty. Initially I thought it was a bit harsh but probably a penalty but having seen that a couple of times that is a great tackle. Carlisle - Obvious penalty. Great work from Vardy. Wigan - Debatable but probably a penalty. Clipped the back of Vardy's legs as he's running. Probably a bit unlucky for Beausejour as I'm sure he doesn't mean to foul him, but that doesn't mean it's not a foul. Blackburn - Debatable but probably not a penalty. At first I thought this was definitely not a penalty from my view in the West Stand but looking at that replay whilst the Blackburn player gets the ball he does so by wrapping his legs around De Laet. Blackpool - Obvious penalty. I can't believe somebody above has disputed it - their lad just kicks Drinkwater's standing leg away. You can tell by the Blackpool guy's reaction. Barnsley - Obvious penalty. Just wipes Vardy out. Yeovil - Obvious penalty. A clear trip. Forest - Debatable but probably a penalty. Anywhere else on the pitch it's a foul, but Drinkwater certainly isn't playing within the spirit of the rules of the game there, no need to go down. Burnley - Obvious penalty. Sandwiched out of it by two Burnley players. Reading - Debatable but probably a penalty. The Reading player grabs Knockaert's arm. If he doesn't do that Knockaert doesn't go down. An example of something which is arguably a dive and a penalty (as is Drinkwater's). Bolton - Obvious penalty. Just wipes Vardy out. Derby - Obvious penalty. Just wipes Vardy out. Middlesbrough - Obvious penalty. Just wipes Vardy out. So I make that 9 penalties that were obvious penalties, 3 that were debatable but I think the referee made the right decision, 1 that was debatable but I think the referee made the wrong decision and 1 that was a complete cock up from the ref. Plenty of the above, even the most obvious of penalties, are ones where our players have gone looking for it, but that doesn't change the fact that they have been (in most cases) pretty obviously fouled to the extent that they definitely couldn't have stayed on their feet (four complete wipe outs of Vardy alone in the list above). I think it goes to show the value of running at players with pace. As Manwell Pablo has said above, a lot of the time Vardy seems to have little intention of doing anything but winning a penalty, but that doesn't make the penalty any less legitimate. Every incident involving Vardy (with the exception of Wigan) doesn't have a hint of controversy to it. On each occasion he's turned, run at pace and been completely clattered by the idiot defenders who refuse to learn their lesson. The last three penalties have all been completely avoidable defensively, but it is Vardy's directness and pace which is frightening them into making mistakes. Well that saves me writing my opinion out-agree with all your conclusions. I'm not sure Brum is a 'complete cock-up' though-think any neutral would give that on first view, especially from the angle the ref has (minimal ball deviation and a lot of flying Lloyd). Knockeart was soft, Forest/Burnley stonewall (I really can't see anyone disputing them), de Laet's both a little lucky in that they were looked for. Wigan it's hard to tell, maybe Vardy looking for it a bit. A couple of soft ones, but no howlers... And RDL/Knocky maybe look for them, but no one else has a choice, and there's always contact. Also agree with earlier posts that, Brum especially, we had two better calls. If the ref chose to correct his mistake by awarding a slightly dubious one, that's still justice in the end...
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 Out of interest has anyone any stats on penalties being scored?
cjslcfc Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 Well that saves me writing my opinion out-agree with all your conclusions. I'm not sure Brum is a 'complete cock-up' though-think any neutral would give that on first view, especially from the angle the ref has (minimal ball deviation and a lot of flying Lloyd). Knockeart was soft, Forest/Burnley stonewall (I really can't see anyone disputing them), de Laet's both a little lucky in that they were looked for. Wigan it's hard to tell, maybe Vardy looking for it a bit. A couple of soft ones, but no howlers... And RDL/Knocky maybe look for them, but no one else has a choice, and there's always contact. Also agree with earlier posts that, Brum especially, we had two better calls. If the ref chose to correct his mistake by awarding a slightly dubious one, that's still justice in the end... Just remembering this pen. The incident was right in front of me. A horrible piece of defending by Beausejour who gets in completely the wrong position, get's done for pace and then goes across the back of Vardy clipping his heels together and sending him flying. To be honest a lot of these penalties are part determination from our player to get past his man (mainly Vardy) and part terrible defending. The last two vs. Derby and Middlesbrough are so mind-bogglingly stupid it's hard not to laugh. You would think people would learn not to commit to challenges in the area that have a high chance of ending up in fouls. But no, it keeps on happening and as long as teams continue to defend poorly against us and we continue to run at them with pace and skill then we may well end up on a record number of penalties. If everyone else is blaming referees and our supposed "diving" for us winning penalties then they are free to think that. It makes it more amusing for us when they come to the KP and boneheads like Williams and Forsyth completely upend our player in the box through pure stupidity and lack of patience and skill.
deanolegend1989 Posted 28 January 2014 Posted 28 January 2014 Im suprised so many dont think Birmingham is? Its an 100% penalty! He goes double footed right through Dyer in a dangerous lunge form. Thats 1 of the most stonewall of the lot(bar the ones involving stonewall Vardy takeouts - Carlisle, Barnsley, Bolton, Derby & Boro). The only Vardy one that isnt 1000% a pen is Wigan but I think he does clip him. The only one thats definetly not a pen is Forest. That is a joker of a penalty..if I was the ref Id of said 'get up' to drinky. Other than that, Wigan, Blackburn & possibly Blackpool are debatable and wouldnt of complained had they not been given as they are really 50/50.
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