Manwell Pablo Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 I think Lee's right there. February to May is four months and August to November another four. Eight in total. You mean the August that started with him changing the game against Middlesborough when we were a goal down and the November that ended with him having played a direct part in nearly half all of league goals scored by the club. Yeah, Lee's bang on with that one.
cityfanlee23 Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 Ffs we going into this again?? It was around 6-8 months then I really don't care on the perticular days/dates he was poor from around it was far too long to go on a poor run, and it's a good job the rest of the team were improved come the start of this season. Unfortunately he was just as poor as he left off.... And is currently leaving on a free. I'm not going to side track from my main point on this thread. This clapping in x minute bullshit was OK for the owners and I mean ok at best.. But let's not find an excuse for everything.
Bert Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 You mean the August that started with him changing the game against Middlesborough when we were a goal down and the November that ended with him having played a direct part in nearly half all of league goals scored by the club. Yeah, Lee's bang on with that one. As well as in May scoring our only goals in the playoff semi final....
MC Prussian Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 You mean the August that started with him changing the game against Middlesborough when we were a goal down and the November that ended with him having played a direct part in nearly half all of league goals scored by the club. Yeah, Lee's bang on with that one. My bad. I thought Lee was banging on about the end of the 2012/12 season leading into the 2012/13 campaign.
cityfanlee23 Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 As well as in May scoring our only goals in the playoff semi final....Bert you are determined to go into this... And between you Mc and manwell are absolutely determined for me to bite and to start a pathetic argument on here again.I will NOT be going into last season and the start of this season again. You mentioned plenty of times how poor nugent had been but continued to back him just Incase. I've never seen a debate on here where you have not sat on the fence to eventually take sides with the opinion that was proved correct. Nugent at this present moment is leaving on a free, he's been good since the turn of the year but apart from his early penalties done naff all else at the start of the season IMO and many others. That's all I'm saying on the matter. Congratulations to nugent but my first post was about the clapping idea which you agreed was rediculous, leave it at that.
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 Ffs we going into this again?? It was around 6 months then I really don't care on the perticular days/dates he was poor from around it was far too long to go on a poor run, and it's a good job the rest of the team were improved come the start of this season. Unfortunately he was just as poor as he left off.... And is currently leaving on a free. I'm not going to side track from my main point on this thread. This clapping in x minute bullshit was OK for the owners and I mean ok at best.. But let's not find an excuse for everything. Because certain people come on here and act like their level of knowledge is so high they should be presenting Monday Night Football with Gary Neville and make stupid bold and ridiculous statements to get attention like you have with Nugent. When it turns out they were talking utter bobbins, I find it's fun to point it out to them, and then watch them try and squirm out of what they said by either claiming they were right at the time, misquoted, or my personal fav, claim that we're all Leicester fans and should be enjoying the success and not dragging up all the old comments making them look stupid. I enjoy it, it passes the quiet time at work Lee. Gives me a pleasant smug feeling as well, I wont lie.
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 Bert you are determined to go into this... And between you Mc and manwell are absolutely determined for me to bite and to start a pathetic argument on here again. I will NOT be going into last season and the start of this season again. You mentioned plenty of times how poor nugent had been but continued to back him just Incase. I've never seen a debate on here where you have not sat on the fence to eventually take sides with the opinion that was proved correct. Nugent at this present moment is leaving on a free, he's been good since the turn of the year but apart from his early penalties done naff all else at the start of the season IMO and many others. That's all I'm saying on the matter. Congratulations to nugent but my first post was about the clapping idea which you agreed was rediculous, leave it at that. Oh dear, don't cry Lee. It's only a forum.
MC Prussian Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 Bert you are determined to go into this... And between you Mc and manwell are absolutely determined for me to bite and to start a pathetic argument on here again. I will NOT be going into last season and the start of this season again. You mentioned plenty of times how poor nugent had been but continued to back him just Incase. I've never seen a debate on here where you have not sat on the fence to eventually take sides with the opinion that was proved correct. Nugent at this present moment is leaving on a free, he's been good since the turn of the year but apart from his early penalties done naff all else at the start of the season IMO and many others. That's all I'm saying on the matter. Congratulations to nugent but my first post was about the clapping idea which you agreed was rediculous, leave it at that. Every player goes off the boil for a while. Some for longer, some not. Nugent's no different. I wouldn't make such a big fuss about it. Besides, Nugent's play is not all about scoring goals (but thanks for appreciating his penalties, which do count for something, after all). There have been enough instances where he's done a great job providing valuable assists that were converted into goals, mainly to Vardy (but not just).
AyewJoking Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 great idea!! Would give him a massive confidence boost what if he gets 51 before 50 minutes?
cityfanlee23 Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 Oh dear, don't cry Lee. It's only a forum. Not crying at all mate, It's hard to show emotion on a forum, So maybe you are picking up the wrong vibes! Just find it quite sad that between the 3 of you, have brought up an old debate that quite frankly everyone is bored with. I was correct at the time about nugent, this is backed up by the opinions of MANY foxestalk members (How many threads were made per month about him?) Since the turn of the new year i have constantly praised his turn around. I said it before and I'll speak for most of the forum I would think, when I say nobody wants to bring up your boring debate again. Look to the future, or even the present atleast. Back to my initial comment, I think clapping in the 50th minute is getting a bit silly, seeing so many people saying lets clap for this and clap for that. The owner situation was a major turning point in the future of Leicester city football club, David nugent scoring around 15 goals in 3 consecutive seasons is not. Good luck to the lad though, He's been very consistent with us over the period of his time here! But as I said. maybe we should give individual praise to vardy if he hits 20, And wes for 500 tackles And kasper for 500 saves And conrad for 15 seasons...
billyn88 Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 I don't care how many were penalties or 'didn't count' for whatever other reason, 50 goals is an excellent return in 2 and a half seasons. I remember when he first joined and we were all getting high off the intoxicating scent of new signings and the King Power being awash with cash, Kasper and him were the only players preventing us from slipping into lower rather than upper mid-table mediocrity. He's had the occasional barren run but which strikers don't? The thing is, unlike players like Hume, Fryatt and others, he is a bit of a wind up merchant and it leaves him open to criticism when he's not quite up to his best. Having a wry smile after making a mistake or missing a big chance just reflects his attitude - positive and confident. He's like that if he scores or misses, I sometimes think some on here will only be happy when he starts weeping face down on the turf after making a gaffe. Before his large wages are brought up, we got him for nowt so the total investment represents excellent value for money. Should he stay for the Prem? Absolutely - experience, confidence and he'll be much better this time around than his last chance. I've seen him off the boil sometimes but I've never seen anything less than 100% commitment and he's actually remarkably unselfish as a striker too.
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 Every player goes off the boil for a while. Some for longer, some not. Nugent's no different. I wouldn't make such a big fuss about it. Besides, Nugent's play is not all about scoring goals (but thanks for appreciating his penalties, which do count for something, after all). There have been enough instances where he's done a great job providing valuable assists that were converted into goals, mainly to Vardy (but not just). around 7 of which were direct before the end of November as well as him hitting double figures for goals. Not bad for somebody who "did nothing" until the turn of the year
cityfanlee23 Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 Every player goes off the boil for a while. Some for longer, some not. Nugent's no different. I wouldn't make such a big fuss about it. Besides, Nugent's play is not all about scoring goals (but thanks for appreciating his penalties, which do count for something, after all). There have been enough instances where he's done a great job providing valuable assists that were converted into goals, mainly to Vardy (but not just). I know that I agree completely... But his was to the extent where he deserved a bit of a kick u the arse by the fans... Just as people got on vardys back etc etc... I stuck with nugent until around the final 2 months of his bad run in which I lost patience with him, And it's a good job as I said previously the rest of the team were on form. IMO and many others My opinion was correct... However it's old news now as he is on good form and contributing more than most at present.. and as I said before.. If he did not hit form and was still playing bad, I don't care if he leaves... If he hits the form he is on now then give him a new contract.. and right now I think he is worth one. And in the long run He could do with another chance in the big time!
Bert Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 Bert you are determined to go into this... And between you Mc and manwell are absolutely determined for me to bite and to start a pathetic argument on here again. I will NOT be going into last season and the start of this season again. You mentioned plenty of times how poor nugent had been but continued to back him just Incase. I've never seen a debate on here where you have not sat on the fence to eventually take sides with the opinion that was proved correct. Nugent at this present moment is leaving on a free, he's been good since the turn of the year but apart from his early penalties done naff all else at the start of the season IMO and many others. That's all I'm saying on the matter. Congratulations to nugent but my first post was about the clapping idea which you agreed was rediculous, leave it at that. I continued to back Nugent and I believe rightly so because I knew what he's capable of and that is now actually showing. Not "just in case" - the previous two seasons stats gave me enough evidence to back that up for me alone. Why would I sit on the fence in an argument when I feel so strongly about a point? What you couldn't see was the fact that even though he wasn't at his best he was still contributing to the team. The stats also back that up too. Luckily the person that matters the most (Pearson) seen things exactly the same way too. I will fully admit he's been poor for part of the season. Plenty of other players around the world suffer dips in form, does that make them a bad player? Look at his stats rather than trying to use other peoples opinions make your argument look stronger than it is.
Corky Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 Given his form at Portsmouth and Burnley where he wasn't that prolific I'd say he's a been a great signing, far more prolific for us than he was in the previous four seasons. I think a minute's applause is too much, just sing his name, support him and realise he's not actually been a bad capture overall.
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 Not crying at all mate, It's hard to show emotion on a forum, So maybe you are picking up the wrong vibes! Just find it quite sad that between the 3 of you, have brought up an old debate that quite frankly everyone is bored with. I was correct at the time about nugent, this is backed up by the opinions of MANY foxestalk members (How many threads were made per month about him?) Since the turn of the new year i have constantly praised his turn around. I said it before and I'll speak for most of the forum I would think, when I say nobody wants to bring up your boring debate again. Look to the future, or even the present atleast. Back to my initial comment, I think clapping in the 50th minute is getting a bit silly, seeing so many people saying lets clap for this and clap for that. The owner situation was a major turning point in the future of Leicester city football club, David nugent scoring around 15 goals in 3 consecutive seasons is not. Good luck to the lad though, He's been very consistent with us over the period of his time here! But as I said. maybe we should give individual praise to vardy if he hits 20, And wes for 500 tackles And kasper for 500 saves And conrad for 15 seasons... You most certainly were not he was still making a valuable contribution to the side, but even then the rest of us were telling you to stick with him and better was to come and you were having none of it, he needed to go because he was never going to get any better.
MC Prussian Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 Not crying at all mate, It's hard to show emotion on a forum, So maybe you are picking up the wrong vibes! Just find it quite sad that between the 3 of you, have brought up an old debate that quite frankly everyone is bored with. I was correct at the time about nugent, this is backed up by the opinions of MANY foxestalk members (How many threads were made per month about him?) Since the turn of the new year i have constantly praised his turn around. I said it before and I'll speak for most of the forum I would think, when I say nobody wants to bring up your boring debate again. Look to the future, or even the present atleast. Back to my initial comment, I think clapping in the 50th minute is getting a bit silly, seeing so many people saying lets clap for this and clap for that. The owner situation was a major turning point in the future of Leicester city football club, David nugent scoring around 15 goals in 3 consecutive seasons is not. Good luck to the lad though, He's been very consistent with us over the period of his time here! But as I said. maybe we should give individual praise to vardy if he hits 20, And wes for 500 tackles And kasper for 500 saves And conrad for 15 seasons... It's getting ridiculous with your comparisons now, Lee. We don't count a keeper's saves and the same goes for a defender's tackles and then go on applauding them for reaching a certain number. But maybe we should? Getting to the fifty-goal mark is an achievement in itself and a player deserves the praise for getting there. Besides, we don't really clap a player that often, anyway. Or do we? Feats like 50 goals for one club are a rare occurrence in the first place. An average of (more than) 15 goals per season in three years may not be outstanding at first sight, but how many other (Championship) strikers out there have been more prolific over the same period? And if you're so bored with the discussion, why do you continue to go to such great lengths defending yourself? (Not for the first time, I may add)
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 It's getting ridiculous with your comparisons now, Lee. We don't count a keeper's saves and the same goes for a defender's tackles. Getting to the fifty-goal mark is an achievement in itself and a player deserves the praise for getting there. Besides, we don't really clap a player that often, anyway. Or do we? Feats like 50 goals for one club are a rare occurrence in the first place. 15 goals a season may be not outstanding, but how many other (Championship) strikers out there have been more prolific over the same period? And if you're so bored with the discussion, why do you continue to go to such great lengths defending yourself? (Not for the first time, I may add) Nah I've got to agree with him on the clapping much as I hate to say it, it's stupid.
cityfanlee23 Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 You most certainly were not he was still making a valuable contribution to the side, but even then the rest of us were telling you to stick with him and better was to come and you were having none of it, he needed to go because he was never going to get any better. No I said on current form he is not worth a 3 year contract. and Yes.. I wanted us to sell him after 6-8 months of shite.. IMO and in many others. I was having none of anyone elses opinion because everyone was saying how amazing he was and he's the first 20+ goal striker we have had in decade like that has anything to do with current form after 6+ months of hardly anything. Like I said. Let's agree to disagree, my opinons then and now have changed. But I still think at the time I was correct. as did many others. You disagree? fine. Don't go on about it.
Bert Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 Nah I've got to agree with him on the clapping much as I hate to say it, it's stupid.Yep, I think that's one thing we all actually agreed on!
Bert Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 No I said on current form he is not worth a 3 year contract. and Yes.. I wanted us to sell him after 6-8 months of shite.. IMO and in many others. I was having none of anyone elses opinion because everyone was saying how amazing he was and he's the first 20+ goal striker we have had in decade like that has anything to do with current form after 6+ months of hardly anything. Like I said. Let's agree to disagree, my opinons then and now have changed. But I still think at the time I was correct. as did many others. You disagree? fine. Don't go on about it. Surely your opinion changing indicates that looking back on them, they weren't really all that correct in the long run.The people who backed him are surely the ones with the correct opinion "so to speak" as we all know, no opinion is ever correct.
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 No I said on current form he is not worth a 3 year contract. and Yes.. I wanted us to sell him after 6-8 months of shite.. IMO and in many others. I was having none of anyone elses opinion because everyone was saying how amazing he was and he's the first 20+ goal striker we have had in decade like that has anything to do with current form after 6+ months of hardly anything. Like I said. Let's agree to disagree, my opinons then and now have changed. But I still think at the time I was correct. as did many others. You disagree? fine. Don't go on about it. There we go 8 months is out again ! Funny how you aren't acknowledging the point about the amount of goals he setup in that apparent Terrible 4 month period at the start of the season!
cityfanlee23 Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 Surely your opinion changing indicates that looking back on them, they weren't really all that correct in the long run. The people who backed him are surely the ones with the correct opinion "so to speak" as we all know, no opinion is ever correct. In the long run yes... However at the time, With his form, I was being proved right IMO. Currently, He is proving my old opinion wrong, to which I stated openly many many many times, That I am happy he has done, and if he keeps it up deserves a contract. However if he had not found this breath of fresh air to his game, and was still playing as bad as he was before christmas.. Everyone would be calling his head as I was.. Maybe you all feel I was jumping the gun.. But after so many months I felt I being proved correct (At the time) There we go 8 months is out again ! Funny how you aren't acknowledging the point about the amount of goals he setup in that apparent Terrible 4 month period at the start of the season! Not going into it mate, I respect your opinions and don't want a debate/argument about something that happened months ago.. Yep, I think that's one thing we all actually agreed on! Glad there is something!
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 In the long run yes... However at the time, With his form, I was being proved right IMO. Currently, He is proving my old opinion wrong, to which I stated openly many many many times, That I am happy he has done, and if he keeps it up deserves a contract. However if he had not found this breath of fresh air to his game, and was still playing as bad as he was before christmas.. Everyone would be calling his head as I was.. Maybe you all feel I was jumping the gun.. But after so many months I felt I being proved correct (At the time) Not going into it mate, I respect your opinions and don't want a debate/argument about something that happened months ago.. Glad there is something! To be honest I don't think he's really playing any better since the turn of the year, he was sublime against Derby and played well at Leeds, after that he's pretty much played how has all season and didn't score for over a month before Saturday (when he was always going to score as it's Ipswich) To bring your argument up to date I am some what bewildered as to what exactly it is that you have seen in David Nugent in 2014 bar a couple of games to make your opinion take such a massive U-turn, bar the fact that your original opinion was fundamentally flawed of course.
MC Prussian Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 Nah I've got to agree with him on the clapping much as I hate to say it, it's stupid. Maybe, but it's not like we're being exposed to lethal clapping on such a regular basis.
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