MC Prussian Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 Hello UA: Italy aren't an aging side - apart from Buffon (36 is still a very good age for a goalkeeper), Barzagli (32), Pirlo (34) and maybe Gilardino (31), Italy's average age isn't much higher than England's. Most of their players are from Serie A teams in the upper half of the table, e.g. Juventus, Milan, Napoli, Torino or Parma. And even the younger ones feature for their parent club on a regular basis and aren't generally loaned out to lower Serie A teams or Serie B teams (as you want to make everybody believe on here). Whether the Premier League is in fact "much, much more competitive" than the Serie A, remains to be seen. You make claims. I give you facts just as "hard" as yours.
Manwell Pablo Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 Italy's group was that poor the runners up (Denmark) weren't even good enough to take a play off spot, Czech Republic are nowhere near the side they once were and Bulgaria, Armenia and Malta are all very, very poor. Compare that to England's group of Ukraine, Poland, Montenegro, Moldova and San Marino. Granted the last two are utter garbage, but Ukraine, Poland and Montenegro are better opposition than Denmark, Czech Republic and Bulgaria. If you think any different then you are a complete fool. So when you compare the Groups and see that England qualified on the same amount of points but with more goals scored and less goals conceded. They don't have a better squad than us Manwell, surely you can see that? Barzagli and Bonnuci aren't better than Cahill currently. De Scaligio isn't better than Walker or Johnson and Maggio wouldn't get in ahead of Cole or Baines. Yeah Pirlo is good but you would be a fool to have him over Steven Gerrard. - De Rossi (30 years old) would be in there, but ageing and like you say the conditions are going to be a factor, so maybe a younger box to box midfielder would be a better option. Don't even say Motolivo is better than some of our players, very over hyped. Marchisio, fantastic footballer, no arguments with him. Yet we have further options from midfield in Lampard, Carrick, Sterling, the Ox, Townsend and Lallana, where are the other Italian options? Giaccherini, a 31 year old Motta or Candreva? Then there is Balotelli, you say is having a good season in a poor Milan season, fair but when you're your Nations number one striker and you have only 14 goals this season (in all competitions) and only 12 for your country in 4 years then I struggle to see how any Italian is better than Rooney or Sturridge. Germany were terrible in that semi-final, so they were there for taking that day. You can't answer that question, even Italy didn't believe they could beat Germany beforehand, then look what happened, thought they were a good side because they had dispatched Germany and got spanked by Spain who didn't play with a striker. I'm not clinging on to that 1/4 final defeat, far from it infact. If you cared to reply or acknowledge my previous post before this then you would see I can easily debate Italy not being superior to England, England having a brighter future than Italy and England having just as good a side as Italy quite easily. So to answer your first question in your silly post, I have easily proven that Italy aren't in fact to better than England and far from it. Not but Chellini is and their both better than Jagielka, making a better centre back pairing and more depth, Maggio's not a left back he's a right back (much better than any of ours) they are much more likely to deploy Crisicito on the left and him on the right or a a combination of Abate/Maggio, either way De Scigilo wont start and their right back will be better than ours Johnson and Walker or way below the quality required at top international level if you ask me. I don't see why, I know you love him as your a Liverpool fan but he clearly doesn't have the capability to run a game from deep that Pirlo does, you keep banging on about youth but he's 33, and in possible 30 degree heat in Manaus we don't want to be chasing the ball as much as we did at the Euro's otherwise this time they will get even more than 18 shots off on our goal this time around and it was a miracle we survived that last time. Him along with Marchiso and De Rossi dicks on our starting three, Carricks had an awful season and will be lucky to go, you want to talk about age and players being 31, 32, and then mention Lampard who's 35 and a shadow of his former self and Lallana isn't as good as Montilvo or possible even Diamante he's a mid table midfielder and could possibly miss out to the likes of Cleverly anyway, behind that they have little cover but how much do you thin their going to need, especialyl given, this is the first game we're talking about? Sterling Ox (another hugely over rated player) & Townsend are more your attacking wide players and as I said we do have the edge going forwards with plenty of options, but if Balotelli is fit, they've a top international player on he's day and we've got Rooney who never show's up in the World Cup and is yet to net a World Cup goal at the age of 28, meaning they'll probably have the best striker on the pitch as well. 14 goals is a decent return and we all know he is capable of far more it's not been a great season for Milan at all but he has still done his job and has had a few knocks, and the suggestion that Sturrdige is a better player than Balotelli is laughable btw.
Manwell Pablo Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 I didn't ignore Manwell's post, far from it infact. Another load of crap? Jesus christ have you ever re-read your posts? I come across as a nob, I can admit that. You? You're a very arrogant person on here, don't know why either. I have to watch what I say to people like you on here, otherwise I'll be banned. It isn't me being biased either, otherwise I would try and argue the fact we're better than most countries, I just honestly don't see how anyone can say Italy are superior to England, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that they are. All you're going on is your opinions about players, where as I am giving you hard facts. World Cup qualification is the biggest fact of all. Italy are an ageing side and there is no evidence to suggest that they have enough players coming through for the future to be a force in international football. Look at how many English players under the age of 25 are playing regular first team football for Premier League clubs? Compare that to Italy, where all young kids are on loan at lower Serie A clubs or Serie B. Jones Walker Shaw Henderson Wilshire Oxlade-Chamberlain Sterling Townsend Lallana Barkley Walcott Sturridge All these players are 25 or younger, all playing regular football in a much more competitive stronger league than Serie A and for clubs no lower than 9th in the League. Again you're right, we have no depth in our squad and they're not better than Italy. There's 12 players there who are playing for our national side now, plus Wayne Rooney, Steven Gerrard and Joe Hart who are world class footballers. And don't forget we'll have players like Lampard, Carrick, Milner, Cole, Baines and Johnson who all have International experience, all apart from Cole playing regularly for clubs in the top four (except Carrick). Brilliant how you can disregard stuff like this and claim Italy are superior, it seriously isn't me who is convincing myself of anything, it is a lot of you who are doing that. These aren't opinions either, they're facts. But some of them aren't very good Lofty , most of them wouldn't of gotten near our team 8 years ago
Guest MattP Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 But some of them aren't very good Lofty , most of them wouldn't of gotten near our team 8 years ago Most?, I'm struggling to think a single one of them would. Maybe someone dumped on the left wing by default as we didn't have one but in all seriousness I don't a think a single one of those starts for us between 2002 and 2008. Not just a condemnation of the declining standard of the national team but also the Premier League considering some of those are considered among the leagues finest and that Arsenal and Liverpool are somehow managing to get close to a title with a few of them as among the better players in their side. No wonder we struggle to get a team into the last 8 of the CL anymore.
Manwell Pablo Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 Most?, I'm struggling to think a single one of them would. Maybe someone dumped on the left wing by default as we didn't have one but in all seriousness I don't a think a single one of those starts for us between 2002 and 2008. Not just a condemnation of the declining standard of the national team but also the Premier League considering some of those are considered among the leagues finest and that Arsenal and Liverpool are somehow managing to get close to a title with a few of them as among the better players in their side. No wonder we struggle to get a team into the last 8 of the CL anymore. I find Townsend and Barkley exciting at times and Walcott was getting in our team around about 2008. That aside you're bang on
Uncle Albert Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 Gerrard or Pirlo, that's a tough choice Albert, only a Liverpool or Juve fan could claim one is one is far superior than the other, both are capable of completely controlling games and are World Class footballers at their best. I'm not buying how good are youngsters are though, I've seen it all before now, half that list produced are completely unproven at this level and are surrounded by better players like Suarez, Hazard, Moutinho, Oscar, RVP etc and generally go back to looking pretty average as soon as they pull on an England shirt. Not an avid Serie A viewer but Insigne looks better than any English young player I can name at the minute, beautiful footballer. Bookmakers have Italy as the stronger and they always favour England. They can't be any doubt the last time we played (despite the 0-0 result) Italy were a far better side than England. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18355305 . The stats at the bottom are an absolute massacre Match Stats 37% - 63 ShotsEngland 8 - 31 ItalyOn targetEngland 4 - 18 Italy CornersEngland 3 - 7 Italy That's funny, because that wasn't the last time we played Italy, the last time we played Italy we beat them 2-1. Hello UA: Italy aren't an aging side - apart from Buffon (36 is still a very good age for a goalkeeper), Barzagli (32), Pirlo (34) and maybe Gilardino (31), Italy's average age isn't much higher than England's. Most of their players are from Serie A teams in the upper half of the table, e.g. Juventus, Milan, Napoli, Torino or Parma. And even the younger ones feature for their parent club on a regular basis and aren't generally loaned out to lower Serie A teams or Serie B teams (as you want to make everybody believe on here). Whether the Premier League is in fact "much, much more competitive" than the Serie A, remains to be seen. You make claims. I give you facts just as "hard" as yours. In Italy's current squad they have 4 players under the age of 25, England had 12. Why haven't you named Maggio, Motta and De Rossi who are over 30? 7 players going to a tournament in them conditions over the age of 30, that won't have any impact at all will it? Don't even get me started in comparing the Premier League to Serie A, only a Swiss idiot obsessed with the England national team would argue that the Premier League isn't much more competitive. You haven't given me one fact at all, all you have done is proven what a numpty you are. Clear off out of this thread and worry about Gelson Fernandes or someone. Not but Chellini is and their both better than Jagielka, making a better centre back pairing and more depth, Maggio's not a left back he's a right back (much better than any of ours) they are much more likely to deploy Crisicito on the left and him on the right or a a combination of Abate/Maggio, either way De Scigilo wont start and their right back will be better than ours Johnson and Walker or way below the quality required at top international level if you ask me. I don't see why, I know you love him as your a Liverpool fan but he clearly doesn't have the capability to run a game from deep that Pirlo does, you keep banging on about youth but he's 33, and in possible 30 degree heat in Manaus we don't want to be chasing the ball as much as we did at the Euro's otherwise this time they will get even more than 18 shots off on our goal this time around and it was a miracle we survived that last time. Him along with Marchiso and De Rossi dicks on our starting three, Carricks had an awful season and will be lucky to go, you want to talk about age and players being 31, 32, and then mention Lampard who's 35 and a shadow of his former self and Lallana isn't as good as Montilvo or possible even Diamante he's a mid table midfielder and could possibly miss out to the likes of Cleverly anyway, behind that they have little cover but how much do you thin their going to need, especialyl given, this is the first game we're talking about? Sterling Ox (another hugely over rated player) & Townsend are more your attacking wide players and as I said we do have the edge going forwards with plenty of options, but if Balotelli is fit, they've a top international player on he's day and we've got Rooney who never show's up in the World Cup and is yet to net a World Cup goal at the age of 28, meaning they'll probably have the best striker on the pitch as well. 14 goals is a decent return and we all know he is capable of far more it's not been a great season for Milan at all but he has still done his job and has had a few knocks, and the suggestion that Sturrdige is a better player than Balotelli is laughable btw. So they have one centre half better, I forgot he played centre back on his own old Chiellini. Johnson and Walker aren't great but neither are Maggio or Abate. And on the same level Pirlo doesn't have the defensive capabilities that Gerrard has, it isn't all about controlling the game from that role, Gerrard can control a game from there, he has numerous times this season for Liverpool, if you want to see Gerrard play that role perfectly re-watch the Liverpool game at home to Everton. I referred to Lampard as an option, if you go back Lampard didn't even make my 23. Oh my God, how is Sturridge not a better option that Balotelli? Seriously? Sturridge is scoring goals for fun in a partrnership that is the highest scoring partnership in European football. Open your eyes. Balotelli hasn't been great since that Germany game, does the odd moment of magic but he has scored 14 goals all season going into a World Cup, how on earth can anyone say he is better than Sturridge?! But some of them aren't very good Lofty , most of them wouldn't of gotten near our team 8 years ago Why are you referring to them getting the England side 8 years ago? That has nothing to do with what we are talking about, we are talking about the now and they are getting in the England side.
Dan Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 I didn't ignore Manwell's post, far from it infact. Another load of crap? Jesus christ have you ever re-read your posts? I come across as a nob, I can admit that. You? You're a very arrogant person on here, don't know why either. I have to watch what I say to people like you on here, otherwise I'll be banned. It isn't me being biased either, otherwise I would try and argue the fact we're better than most countries, I just honestly don't see how anyone can say Italy are superior to England, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that they are. All you're going on is your opinions about players, where as I am giving you hard facts. World Cup qualification is the biggest fact of all. Italy are an ageing side and there is no evidence to suggest that they have enough players coming through for the future to be a force in international football. Look at how many English players under the age of 25 are playing regular first team football for Premier League clubs? Compare that to Italy, where all young kids are on loan at lower Serie A clubs or Serie B. Jones Walker Shaw Henderson Wilshire Oxlade-Chamberlain Sterling Townsend Lallana Barkley Walcott Sturridge All these players are 25 or younger, all playing regular football in a much more competitive stronger league than Serie A and for clubs no lower than 9th in the League. Again you're right, we have no depth in our squad and they're not better than Italy. There's 12 players there who are playing for our national side now, plus Wayne Rooney, Steven Gerrard and Joe Hart who are world class footballers. And don't forget we'll have players like Lampard, Carrick, Milner, Cole, Baines and Johnson who all have International experience, all apart from Cole playing regularly for clubs in the top four (except Carrick). Brilliant how you can disregard stuff like this and claim Italy are superior, it seriously isn't me who is convincing myself of anything, it is a lot of you who are doing that. These aren't opinions either, they're facts. Arrogant? OK then. Nice to know you've been covering up how rattled you are when someone else doesn't buy into your extremely flawed and biased theory. Of course it's opinions about players. Who is of a better standard than who is one of those things you cannot officially clarify. Man Utd being better than Leicester is something nearly everyone will agree on (for now at least...) but there's nothing that officially declares them as better. OK, so you mention 'facts', England qualified for the World Cup after winning their group - 'fact', Italy qualified for the World Cup after winning their group - 'fact'. How does that prove who is better than who? How on earth have you taken that information and managed to draw a 'fact' that Italy aren't better than England? Both teams were in groups full of absolute cannon fodder. If they are our best youngsters, we have certainly dipped. I'm not claiming I'm an expert on Italy's youth system (and Italian football has been a joke for a while) but they've consistently turned out quality players and I see no reason they won't keep doing that. Lets not forget Italy U21's outplaying and beating England U21's in the Euros last year. They have a better standard of coaching and don't need a league swimming in cash to produce quality. That is why I think Italy will continue to be better than England. Joe Hart world class Jesus wept.
Guest MattP Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 That's funny, because that wasn't the last time we played Italy, the last time we played Italy we beat them 2-1. Look at the teams though, it hardly resembles what sides we'll both be putting out in the summer at full strength. 01 Butland (Ruddy - 46' ) 02 Walker 03 Baines (Bertrand - 78' ) 05 Cahill 06 Jagielka (Lescott - 61' ) 04 Carrick 07 Johnson 08 Lampard (Livermore - 69' ) 10 Cleverley 11 Young (Milner - 62' ) 09 Carroll (Defoe - 46' ) 01 Sirigu 04 Ogbonna 06 Balzaretti (Peluso - 46' ) 13 Astori 20 Abate (Ezequiel Schelotto - 86' ) 07 El Shaarawy (Gabbiadini - 58' ) 10 Aquilani (Poli - 68' ) 16 De Rossi 22 Diamanti (Verratti - 59' ) 23 Nocerino 09 Mattia Destro (Fabbrini - 84' Booked ) It would be like me saying Leicester are as good as Liverpool as we drew 1-1 with you in the reserve league this year, it would using very flacid facts to distort the real truth. We also drew in Brazil and beat Spain last time in friendlies, I wouldn't price England up as the favourites to beat either of them though.
Guest MattP Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 Joe Hart world class Jesus wept. Only "World Class" keeper to manage to lose his place this season to Romanians number two. Sure that's happened to Neuer and Buffon.
Uncle Albert Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 Arrogant? OK then. Nice to know you've been covering up how rattled you are when someone else doesn't buy into your extremely flawed and biased theory. Of course it's opinions about players. Who is of a better standard than who is one of those things you cannot officially clarify. Man Utd being better than Accrington Stanley is something nearly everyone will agree on (for how long, I'm not sure). OK, so you mention 'facts', England qualified for the World Cup after winning their group - 'fact', Italy qualified for the World Cup after winning their group - 'fact'. How does that prove who is better than who? How on earth have you taken that information and managed to draw a 'fact' that Italy aren't better than England? Both teams were in groups full of absolute cannon fodder. If they are our best youngsters, we have certainly dipped. I'm not claiming I'm an expert on Italy's youth system (and Italian football has been a joke for a while) but they've consistently turned out quality players and I see no reason they won't keep doing that. Lets not forget Italy U21's outplaying and beating England U21's in the Euros last year. They have a better standard of coaching and don't need a league swimming in cash to produce quality. That is why I think Italy will continue to be better than England. Joe Hart world class Jesus wept. You are arrogant, at least admit it. Italy were in a poorer group, how can you not see that? Yet England progressed with a better record. I haven't said England are better than Italy, I've always asked how can some of you lot say Italy are superior to England? And you've not shown me where they are. Hence your arrogance, everything you have said I have been able to answer you. Simple as that really. Joe Hart is a fantastic goal keeper, and yeah he is one of the worlds best, sorry he had that bad patch and was dropped and the media made that dip in form out to be bigger than it actually was, I suppose you are under the same impression about Iker Cassilas after he was dropped for so long by Real Madrid? But was still renowned for being one of the worlds best.
Dan Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 I've got to say I prefer Sturridge to Balotelli. Our strikers are better than theirs.
Dan Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 You are arrogant, at least admit it. Italy were in a poorer group, how can you not see that? Yet England progressed with a better record. I haven't said England are better than Italy, I've always asked how can some of you lot say Italy are superior to England? And you've not shown me where they are. Hence your arrogance, everything you have said I have been able to answer you. Simple as that really. Joe Hart is a fantastic goal keeper, and yeah he is one of the worlds best, sorry he had that bad patch and was dropped and the media made that dip in form out to be bigger than it actually was, I suppose you are under the same impression about Iker Cassilas after he was dropped for so long by Real Madrid? But was still renowned for being one of the worlds best. Yeh, it's me who's arrogant; If you think any different then you are a complete fool. What do you mean you've answered everything we've said and we haven't you? Who are you even trying to kid? Italy & England were both in shit groups. England's was just harder I'd say but it's hardly a brilliant barometer is it? Were you honestly that impressed by England in qualifying? Italy drew away at Denmark having already qualified and we needed to win our last two to get in - and we did it. The last two games against Montenegro & Poland were far more like it from England and if we did that more consistently I'd think far higher of us. Casillas is renowned as one of the worlds best because you know, he is one of the worlds best. Joe Hart isn't. Casillas was dropped for a far better keeper than Hart was. Hart on his day is brilliant but he is not, and never has been 'world class'. It's a position (another) that we're weaker than Italy in. The only one we are convincingly better than them in is attack, if Rooney actually decides to show up like Balotelli did when it mattered last time.
Manwell Pablo Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 That's funny, because that wasn't the last time we played Italy, the last time we played Italy we beat them 2-1. In Italy's current squad they have 4 players under the age of 25, England had 12. Why haven't you named Maggio, Motta and De Rossi who are over 30? 7 players going to a tournament in them conditions over the age of 30, that won't have any impact at all will it? Don't even get me started in comparing the Premier League to Serie A, only a Swiss idiot obsessed with the England national team would argue that the Premier League isn't much more competitive. You haven't given me one fact at all, all you have done is proven what a numpty you are. Clear off out of this thread and worry about Gelson Fernandes or someone. So they have one centre half better, I forgot he played centre back on his own old Chiellini. Johnson and Walker aren't great but neither are Maggio or Abate. And on the same level Pirlo doesn't have the defensive capabilities that Gerrard has, it isn't all about controlling the game from that role, Gerrard can control a game from there, he has numerous times this season for Liverpool, if you want to see Gerrard play that role perfectly re-watch the Liverpool game at home to Everton. I referred to Lampard as an option, if you go back Lampard didn't even make my 23. Oh my God, how is Sturridge not a better option that Balotelli? Seriously? Sturridge is scoring goals for fun in a partrnership that is the highest scoring partnership in European football. Open your eyes. Balotelli hasn't been great since that Germany game, does the odd moment of magic but he has scored 14 goals all season going into a World Cup, how on earth can anyone say he is better than Sturridge?! Why are you referring to them getting the England side 8 years ago? That has nothing to do with what we are talking about, we are talking about the now and they are getting in the England side. No listen to what I'm saying, he's better than anyone we have we all agree, but the only center half we have who is better than Bonnuci or Barazagli (and even that would be debated by some) is Cahill who is a pretty decent international defender, as are Bonnuci or Barazagli, distinctly better than Jagelika who is going to start with for us, and I don't know how many times you've seen Maggio but he's much better than them Walker or Johnson especially when wearing a Italy shirt. With Terry in the picture, probably our MOTM in the Euro's game, Ashley Cole playing left back, I'd probably say we'd slightly edge it by now he's gone and other might not even get started they undoubtedly have the better back line. As I say it's pointless comparing Gerrard and Pirlo they are much of a muchness, international quality midfielders in their own right and they are both the players our sides are going to rely on in the engine room both with the capability to run and decide games although when it comes to controlling a game I know who I'd fancy and I know who came out on top last timem, the fact that he plays with De Rossi and Marchiso in there with him and Gerrard being left with.....well I don't even know which other two misfits are going to get the nod (I'd imagine Wilshire and someone else, hopefully Barkley but I doubt it) and that's another one of our problems, I think they've got the better midfield as well. Not a fan of Sturridge at all and whilst I cannot deny his goal scoring form has been fantastic this season one swallow does not make a summer and this is the first season he has found some proper goal scoring form where as Balotelli has been an impressive player and goal scorer for several of Europe's top clubs for several years, and he's yet to put in a note worthy performance in a England shirt for me, every time he's played he's left me feeling quite frustrated at his inability to put away simple chances even when he has scored it's after wasting far more sights of goal than a lot of teams will give us in June, there is so much more to Balotellis game than just scoring goals which he is capable of, in abundance, and unlike DS at the top level as well , as I say it's not been the best of seasons for him in a under performing team. Because your talking about how bright our future is, and listing a load of bang average players that are apparently going to carry us to new heights.
Manwell Pablo Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 Look at the teams though, it hardly resembles what sides we'll both be putting out in the summer at full strength. 01 Butland (Ruddy - 46' ) 02 Walker 03 Baines (Bertrand - 78' ) 05 Cahill 06 Jagielka (Lescott - 61' ) 04 Carrick 07 Johnson 08 Lampard (Livermore - 69' ) 10 Cleverley 11 Young (Milner - 62' ) 09 Carroll (Defoe - 46' ) 01 Sirigu 04 Ogbonna 06 Balzaretti (Peluso - 46' ) 13 Astori 20 Abate (Ezequiel Schelotto - 86' ) 07 El Shaarawy (Gabbiadini - 58' ) 10 Aquilani (Poli - 68' ) 16 De Rossi 22 Diamanti (Verratti - 59' ) 23 Nocerino 09 Mattia Destro (Fabbrini - 84' Booked ) It would be like me saying Leicester are as good as Liverpool as we drew 1-1 with you in the reserve league this year, it would using very flacid facts to distort the real truth. We also drew in Brazil and beat Spain last time in friendlies, I wouldn't price England up as the favourites to beat either of them though. Be surprised if one of those players start the World Cup game, or started the Euro's game. Bar De Rossi
Dan Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 I completely forgot about El Shaarawy. He was very highly rated but I've never been overly impressed by him.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 Hmm, Uruguay, 4th placed in the last world cup & current copa america holders... Please, if they don't absolutely thrash England given the two sides at the moment, then englands defence will have put in a herculean shift. Yes I'm sure they will thrash us 5-0.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 lol You are the most biased person I have ever seen in my entire life. Yes I'm sure the highly-developed rich country that is Uruguay have a better coaching set-up than the richest football association in world football. Only "World Class" keeper to manage to lose his place this season to Romanians number two. Sure that's happened to Neuer and Buffon. Happened to Casillas.
MC Prussian Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 Yes I'm sure the highly-developed rich country that is Uruguay have a better coaching set-up than the richest football association in world football. I'm not sure where you get your facts from. The last time I checked, Uruguay was one of the richest, most developed, most liberal, most progressive and most stable countries in South America. Their coaching set up is certainly better than England's - after all, they finished 4th in the 2010 World Cup and have more WC and Copa América (read: European Championship) trophies in their cabinet than England. The appalling fact is that England don't do enough with all the resources they have at their disposal - otherwise, one could come to the conclusion that, solely based on the infrastructure and amount of money, the Three Lions ought to win every international competition with ease.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 I guess that they also have a better coaching set-up than Spain as well since they have more World Cups and Copa Americas. Copa America If we were South American we would have 20 Copa Americas.
MC Prussian Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 I guess that they also have a better coaching set-up than Spain as well since they have more World Cups and Copa Americas. Copa America If we were South American we would have 20 Copa Americas. No, you wouldn't. Dream on. For a start, England isn't in South America. You've faced easier competition during European Championships and bottled it. Several times. Your level of delusion is close to reaching new heights - I wonder with what miraculous assumptions or claims you come up with next.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 We would have easily racked up the Copa Americas in the 1910s and 1920s.
Corky Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 I guess that they also have a better coaching set-up than Spain as well since they have more World Cups and Copa Americas. Copa America If we were South American we would have 20 Copa Americas. You are ridiculously deluded. Yes, we'd beat Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Ecuador, Columbia in 20 finals.
Guest MattP Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 I guess that they also have a better coaching set-up than Spain as well since they have more World Cups and Copa Americas. Copa America If we were South American we would have 20 Copa Americas. Please tell me you are on the wind up, the widely regarded greatest nation in the World Brazil have only won 8 but we would have won 20? This despite not being able to win one European tournament that Greece have won recently? Taking the piss out of Uruguays coaching? They must be doing something right if despite only having a population the size as Birmingham they have won 2 World Cups, 15 Copa's and got to the semis in the last World Cup whilst consistently producing World Class players over time. The Copa America is a fantastic tournament btw, if you don't watch it you are really missing out. Top quality football played in the way any fans wants it to be.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 12 March 2014 Posted 12 March 2014 Yes, we would have beaten any team in the 1910s and 1920s. We were probably still the best team in the world in the 1930s and 1940s.
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