English people in Leicester

[Guest MattP]

I agree to some extent. I am sure there are Muslims that drink and even run pubs just not as many as the rest of the world. The pubs on London Road do quite well.

Anyway I'm off out now for a couple.

Well of course, look at the demographics of Leicester. We've been lucky with our immigrants, mainly Sikhs and Hindus which is probably why we have never had the problems Luton, Burnley, Oldham, Preston, Bradford etc had.

If you don't think their is a distance try and find a good selection of boozers in Manningham.

[bovril]

Isn't that forbidden in the quran ? Same as smoking ?

 

I'm not sure if cigarettes were too popular in 7th century Arabia.

[Guest MattP]

Do you think people actually abide by these silly rules? A lot of people, again mostly young people, have decided that religion isn't all that important to them and have started living a more Western lifestyle because it's a lot more appealing.

This is partly why I think the scaremongering by some media institutions about Islamification is rubbish, it's the other way round.

I've worked with loads of young Asians and have only met a couple who have renounced religion. Maybe you've been luckier than me!

[Rincewind]

Isn't that forbidden in the quran ? Same as smoking ?

My ex neighbour was a Muslim. He drank, smoked and took drugs. When he first moved in he showed me some porn mags. I asked if it was OK for him to have them. He said God likes you to enjoy yourself. He also had mental issues which explained his behavior.

I don't think he went in pubs though.

[lavrentis]

With the muslims i've met religion seems very family orientated and hard to break out of. Fair play if you can escape taht

[Jon25747]

I've pretty much said the same as the first paragraph.

I don't like that immigration argument at all, it's nothing more than blackmail really. You will agree with us and what we do and if you don't like it you can't do anything about it or you are a hypocrite.

It also assumes all immigration is the same which It isn't and doesn't differentiate between different lifestyles. You can be pro immigration with certain people and anti of others. I certainly am when drawing from my own personal experiences of life and travelling.

 

I've worked with loads of young Asians and have only met a couple who have renounced religion. Maybe you've been luckier than me!

 

I get the sense that your issue actually sits with muslims and islam rather than immigration in general?

[Guest MattP]

With the muslims i've met religion seems very family orientated and hard to break out of. Fair play if you can escape taht

Good friends with a girl who pulled out of it and had to move from Leicester to Nottingham after being told to up and leave or face tge consequences from various family members and people in our city.

Beautiful girl as well and one of the nicest people you'll ever meet, she's ok now but I'd happily hang the scumbags that almost completely ruined her.

I get the sense that your issue actually sits with muslims and islam rather than immigration in general?

Religion mainly. I've seen first hand what it has done to people.

[Harry - LCFC]

I've worked with loads of young Asians and have only met a couple who have renounced religion. Maybe you've been luckier than me!

 

I wouldn't say they've renounced it as such, they're just less strict than previous generations. I think it's a trend that's going to continue in the future.

[Rincewind]

When we did the radio at the Towers the ones running it were Sikhs and did not allow mention of alcohol or drugs during broadcasting and were non-drinkers. But its understandably as the station was set up to deal with mental issues

[The Doctor]

English are a minority in Leicester. Weird that for a city in England.

 

What a load of tosh - you don't need to be white to be english, and even then white british was still the majority in the last census (45%)

[Jon25747]

Good friends with a girl who pulled out of it and had to move from Leicester to Nottingham after being told to up and leave or face tge consequences from various family members and people in our city.

Beautiful girl as well and one of the nicest people you'll ever meet, she's ok now but I'd happily hang the scumbags that almost completely ruined her.

Religion mainly. I've seen first hand what it has done to people.

 

At least I now understand which prejudice you are baseing your points on!

[Guest MattP]

I'm disappointed, are you not going to at least call me an Islamophobe, allege I'm in the EDL or mention the Daily Mail?

[bobbysmith]

A little challenge...

 

Polish or English?

 

 

Polish or English?

 

 

Polish or English

 

[Jon25747]

I'm disappointed, are you not going to at least call me an Islamophobe, allege I'm in the EDL or mention the Daily Mail?

 

I am not commenting on your views or their basis but they are a prejudice nonetheless

[The Doctor]

 

Well of course, look at the demographics of Leicester. We've been lucky with our immigrants, mainly Sikhs and Hindus which is probably why we have never had the problems Luton, Burnley, Oldham, Preston, Bradford etc had.

If you don't think their is a distance try and find a good selection of boozers in Manningham.

 

Quite. Bradford's pub trade is appalling - while there's a city centre brewery on the way, the pubs are shutting left right and centre or greatly restricting opening hours to save money (one smack bang in the middle of town opens for about 3 hours a day and is closed by 7 in the evening). The only one that still seem to be thriving is the titus salt,and I'd bet my life savings it's only because it's a wetherspoons. The heavy islamic population is bound to have some effect on this - likewise the union bars: they bundle the profit/loss accounts in with retail and don't itemise it - making it bloody hard to actually report on the bars - but from what I've managed to sneak from friends who work on the bars there, they're loosing money head over heel - and the unis high muslim population (it's not for no reason that the union elections are basically decided on who is allied with the I-Soc) is bound to be causing this. 

 

I am not commenting on your views or their basis but they are a prejudice nonetheless

 

Prejudice is a preconceived opinion not based on reason or actual experience. Matt is hardly being prejudiced if his dislike comes from experience...

[Guest MattP]

Cheers mate far better to read it from somebody actually living in the middle of it.

[Jon25747]

 

 

 

Quite. Bradford's pub trade is appalling - while there's a city centre brewery on the way, the pubs are shutting left right and centre or greatly restricting opening hours to save money (one smack bang in the middle of town opens for about 3 hours a day and is closed by 7 in the evening). The only one that still seem to be thriving is the titus salt,and I'd bet my life savings it's only because it's a wetherspoons. The heavy islamic population is bound to have some effect on this - likewise the union bars: they bundle the profit/loss accounts in with retail and don't itemise it - making it bloody hard to actually report on the bars - but from what I've managed to sneak from friends who work on the bars there, they're loosing money head over heel - and the unis high muslim population (it's not for no reason that the union elections are basically decided on who is allied with the I-Soc) is bound to be causing this. 

 

 

Prejudice is a preconceived opinion not based on reason or actual experience. Matt is hardly being prejudiced if his dislike comes from experience...

 

 

It is a prejudgement of someone or something, its as simple as that. Matt is applying a prejudgement to everyone in one category based of his experience of individual cases.

[ADK]

I guess you have to ask yourself whether you'd like to live in a Muslim area like Bradford or Luton. Personally you couldn't pay me to live there. I do always treat people with respect though. I think over time some Muslim families will westernise but it's a culture that aggressively resists integration.

[MooseBreath]

That's the great thing about young people - they're the least homophobic, least racist, least hateful demographic in society.

That's a bit ambitious. Something like 95% of the EDL membership is made up of people in their teens and 20s. The vast majority of gang members in London and Brum who actually go out and kill each other are in their teens. Most extremists views begin to develop while people are young. Your experience of growing up in your parent's house in an affluent neighbourhood obviously isn't going to be representative of the neighbourhoods where the problems are.

[Babylon]

What I don't understand is when people start talking about culture in the broader sense as if we're going to lose any sort of "Britishness." What's intrinsically British that we're on the verge of losing, exactly?

We can't be as racist as we used to be.

[Harry - LCFC]

That's a bit ambitious. Something like 95% of the EDL membership is made up of people in their teens and 20s. The vast majority of gang members in London and Brum who actually go out and kill each other are in their teens. Most extremists views begin to develop while people are young. Your experience of growing up in your parent's house in an affluent neighbourhood obviously isn't going to be representative of the neighbourhoods where the problems are.

 

 

Expected someone to jump at that and tell me I didn't know what it was talking about. Wrong I'm afraid.

 

I live in the inner city, 15 minute walk from town. Went to Lancaster Boys, possibly the most working class school in Leicester. I think I've got a pretty good idea of what multiculturalism is like amongst young people and it ain't that bad.

[Babylon]

Not yet really, but what about in the future when English people in Leicester gets so low that pubs/bars etc can't stay open?

 

Errr there are quite a few people in Leicester who go to bars and clubs that are Asian or anything other than white English. Or are you saying you'd rather not go to places like that?

 

The white english population isn't just going to vanish, the centre of Leicester and it's amenities are as much frequented by people in the county as they are the city, and the vast majority in the county is still white English.

[midland_red]

a nasty piece of racism

[MooseBreath]

It is a prejudgement of someone or something, its as simple as that. Matt is applying a prejudgement to everyone in one category based of his experience of individual cases.

Isn't that a bit like when you said people who are anti immigration are all the type of people who open bars on the costa del sel? Come to think of it that's two bits of prejudice in one go.

[MooseBreath]

Expected someone to jump at that and tell me I didn't know what it was talking about. Wrong I'm afraid.

I live in the inner city, 15 minute walk from town. Went to Lancaster Boys, possibly the most working class school in Leicester. I think I've got a pretty good idea of what multiculturalism is like amongst young people and it ain't that bad.

It ain't that bad amongst older people either. From what I've seen about street gangs shanking each other up and EDL and their opponents all taking to the streets for a ruckus it looks to me like it's mostly young people causing all the problems.