English people in Leicester

[Rincewind]

Why wouldn't the pubs stay open?

[Bellend Sebastian]

Why wouldn't the pubs stay open?

 

Because of an increasing trend over recent years of people, if they go to the pub at all, only going out for an hour or two before closing time having spent the rest of the evening at home drinking booze from a supermarket that is so cheap the retailer actually makes a loss on it.

 

Or it could be because of ethnics

[lgfualol]

Who gives a shit, we're all human.

[Smudge]

Why wouldn't the pubs stay open?

Don't panic yet Ken, it's probably just a silly rumour.

[Guest MattP]

Why wouldn't the pubs stay open?

Well if you have a huge Islamic area it's very unlikely a public house reliant on alcohol sales would survive.

If you had to open a pub in St Matthews or Glenfield it's obvious where you would do it.

[Jon25747]

Well if you have a huge Islamic area it's very unlikely a public house reliant on alcohol sales would survive.

If you had to open a pub in St Matthews or Glenfield it's obvious where you would do it.

 

Where do think all the 'English' people are going then? The distribution in certain areas might change but they arent dying out!

 

I find it funny that often (I'm about to generalise) the people moaning about immigration are the same people whose dream it is to move to the Costa Del Sol and open a bar.

[Zingari]

Well if you have a huge Islamic area it's very unlikely a public house reliant on alcohol sales would survive.

If you had to open a pub in St Matthews or Glenfield it's obvious where you would do it.

Neither , The Dominion couldn't keep going so it's unlikely another one would ( ok it's probably not quite in Glenfield )

Pubs have been closing down at quite a rate for many  years now regardless of high Muslim population 

[Smudge]

was it ever called aylestone park ? i thought it was called welford road reccy 

According to my map of 1902 it is named the 'The Recreation Ground. 

[Strokes]

Neither , The Dominion couldn't keep going so it's unlikely another one would ( ok it's probably not quite in Glenfield )

Pubs have been closing down at quite a rate for many years now regardless of high Muslim population

That's a totally different issue, its obvious given the choice where you would have the best chance.

[Guest MattP]

Where do think all the 'English' people are going then? The distribution in certain areas might change but they arent dying out!

I find it funny that often (I'm about to generalise) the people moaning about immigration are the same people whose dream it is to move to the Costa Del Sol and open a bar.

You think? A lot of them have up sticks and gone, I'd say about 30% of my secondary school mates have left Britain now.

I'd hazard a guess there are less pubs open in Highfields and St Matthews then we had 40 years, bound to happen when you have different clientele.

You're right that is a generalisation, I don't like the "you must like immigration or you shouldn't emigrate yourself" argument.

Would you say that to a Ukrainian in the Crimea or a American Indian in Nevada? Course you wouldn't and you shouldn't use it on a indigenous English person in Bradford who now finds himself living under a political group like Respect.

[Rincewind]

I do not  think the fall in the pub trade has anything to do with ethnicity. There are many factors. As a whole there have been changes to ways in which people socialise and interact with each other. Going to the local is just one. There are still some 'old style pubs about' sometimes you just have to look for them.

[Zingari]

According to my map of 1902 it is named the 'The Recreation Ground. 

Have you had  the map since it was new Smudge ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest MattP]

It's to do with a lot of things varying from smoking bans to price.

There can't be any doubt about ethnicity playing a part in some areas though. You would to being deliberately obtuse to any sort of realism to think otherwise.

My mates Dad ran a pub in Luton and he has closed down, just can't get the trade in an Asian area there. He's across town now in a white area and thriving again.

[Smudge]

Have you had  the map since it was new Smudge ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cheeky bugger. I have actually, it's a reproduction. 

 

Wasn't Aylestone Park on Saffron Lane and Knighton Lane East?

[Rincewind]

Maybe not all Asians are pissheads like the English (extreme generalization I know)

[Guest MattP]

I really understand why people are so scared of stating the truth.

It doesn't make Muslims bad people because they don't go to a pub, it's just common sense to point out a pub probably wouldn't survive in an Islamic area in the same way a halal butchers wouldn't probably survive in Kirby Muxloe.

[Zingari]

Cheeky bugger. I have actually, it's a reproduction. 

 

Wasn't Aylestone Park on Saffron Lane and Knighton Lane East?

yes i think so . anyway i was pretty sure the park near the prison ( mandela) was never called Aylestone park ,

It's just DT  having false memory syndrome 

[Guest MattP]

Maybe not all Asians are pissheads like the English (extreme generalization I know)

Asians is different, most Sikhs I know enjoy a drink more than us.

Muslims generally don't. I said Asian area in reference to Luton as Asians there are generally Muslims unlike Leicester. Hence also why I pinpointed St Matthews rather than Belgrave Road.

[Jon25747]

You think? A lot of them have up sticks and gone, I'd say about 30% of my secondary school mates have left Britain now.

I'd hazard a guess there are less pubs open in Highfields and St Matthews then we had 40 years, bound to happen when you have different clientele.

You're right that is a generalisation, I don't like the "you must like immigration or you shouldn't emigrate yourself" argument.

Would you say that to a Ukrainian in the Crimea or a American Indian in Nevada? Course you wouldn't and you shouldn't use it on a indigenous English person in Bradford who now finds himself living under a political group like Respect.

 

The change is 'clientele' would no doubt have had an impact, im not questioning that but it would be a very small factor in comparison to others - Alcohol tax rising consistently above inflation, the rise in supermarkets and 'multibuy' deals, the smoking ban. I almost guarantee these factors will have a vastly greater impact than more Muslims in the area.

 

Why is my other point not relevant? I dont think using crimea as an example is anywhere near relevant for this debate and there was no single mass invasion of the UK and the vast extermination of its indiginous populace so the aboriginies also isnt comparable. My point was that, in a lot of cases, the people who dont think immigration is right, are the same people who think nothing of going somewhere else. You cant think that one is ok but moan about the other.

[Zingari]

I really understand why people are so scared of stating the truth.

It doesn't make Muslims bad people because they don't go to a pub, it's just common sense to point out a pub probably wouldn't survive in an Islamic area in the same way a halal butchers wouldn't probably survive in Kirby Muxloe.

yes , you're quite right about that really 

[Rincewind]

I agree to some extent. I am sure there are Muslims that drink and even run pubs just not as many as the rest of the world. The pubs on London Road do quite well.

Anyway I'm off out now for a couple.

[lavrentis]

I agree to some extent. I am sure there are Muslims that drink and even run pubs just not as many as the rest of the world.

 

Isn't that forbidden in the quran ? Same as smoking ?

[Harry - LCFC]

Isn't that forbidden in the quran ? Same as smoking ?

 

Do you think people actually abide by these silly rules? A lot of people, again mostly young people, have decided that religion isn't all that important to them and have started living a more Western lifestyle because it's a lot more appealing.

 

This is partly why I think the scaremongering by some media institutions about Islamification is rubbish, it's the other way round.

[Finnegan]

Most of the Asian population of Leicester isn't Muslim, it's Hindu. Those boys love a beer. So do the Poles, while we're on it.

There's really not a threat to our drinking culture, for better or worse we're Europe's premiere binge drinkers.

[Guest MattP]

The change is 'clientele' would no doubt have had an impact, im not questioning that but it would be a very small factor in comparison to others - Alcohol tax rising consistently above inflation, the rise in supermarkets and 'multibuy' deals, the smoking ban. I almost guarantee these factors will have a vastly greater impact than more Muslims in the area.

Why is my other point not relevant? I dont think using crimea as an example is anywhere near relevant for this debate and there was no single mass invasion of the UK and the vast extermination of its indiginous populace so the aboriginies also isnt comparable. My point was that, in a lot of cases, the people who dont think immigration is right, are the same people who think nothing of going somewhere else. You cant think that one is ok but moan about the other.

I've pretty much said the same as the first paragraph.

I don't like that immigration argument at all, it's nothing more than blackmail really. You will agree with us and what we do and if you don't like it you can't do anything about it or you are a hypocrite.

It also assumes all immigration is the same which It isn't and doesn't differentiate between different lifestyles. You can be pro immigration with certain people and anti of others. I certainly am when drawing from my own personal experiences of life and travelling.