homeless not brainless

[Haydos]

I believe the assumption is they cannot because they have not. If they can, why have they not doing it for themselves?

By extension to this argument if they do not want to be helped, why waste time helping them?

Some of them are like the drunken, ferret wielding, insult throwing Maidstone man. Being homeless is what they do. It's their thing.

 

I think you're probably talking to a brick wall here

[Jon the Hat]

Try not to take things too personally. Ken   or maybe you are feeling insulted vicariously , i don't know 

 

I think she makes a point , but it does seem a bit like an impossible task to get the wording right for everyone and not make at least one or two people offended .

We are getting into a right old state of walking on eggshells in case someone is offended. I'm fairly sure sure no offence was intended .

I lost a bit of sympathy with her because she couldn't resist the usual wimmin's dig at men .

don't get too down about it lad   

 

The only risk of Ken getting down about it is him falling of his high horse of moral indignation.

[Jon the Hat]

If a person is not from Leicester they will be refused accommodation.

There is the NSNO scheme set up just before Xmas which 'rounds' people up.

Even if a person is capable of filling out a form they are told to have somebody fill it in for them.

It is not being asked and the assumption that they are thick which is patronising.

 

You dont think people are told their is help available because they have failed to find that help for themselves?  Jesus, the people we pay for who are actually helping cant do anything right in the eyes of the Homeless charities.

[Strokes]

You dont think people are told their is help available because they have failed to find that help for themselves? Jesus, the people we pay for who are actually helping cant do anything right in the eyes of the Homeless charities.

You have to question their motives.

[Rincewind]

The only risk of Ken getting down about it is him falling of his high horse of moral indignation.

There are none so blind as those that will not see.

 

http://samedifference1.com/2014/03/20/an-interview-with-jobcentremole-about-dwp-corruption/

[Jon the Hat]

There are none so blind as those that will not see.

 

http://samedifference1.com/2014/03/20/an-interview-with-jobcentremole-about-dwp-corruption/

 

What does that tell you Ken?  And again, nice condescending comment like you know something everyone else doesn't.  Honetsly Ken you spend a few months working with a charity and you turn into some sort of evangelical nightmare.

[Rincewind]

It tells me that you should not believe everything  that governments tell you. It tells me that figures are being manipulated to support policies.

Maybe I have had my eyes opened but if some refuse to accept that there are many flaws in government policies then I cannot change their minds on here and am wasting my time.

[Jon the Hat]

You are wasting your time becuase you don't bring any better policies to the table.  Labour have the same problem.

[Guest MattP]

If a person is not from Leicester they will be refused accommodation.

There is the NSNO scheme set up just before Xmas which 'rounds' people up.

Even if a person is capable of filling out a form they are told to have somebody fill it in for them.

It is not being asked and the assumption that they are thick which is patronising.

 

Do you not think actually getting them a home is probably a slight bit more important that running the risk of patronising them?

 

As others have said, the reason they have ended up like this is they clearly have no life or social skills.

 

Bring back bum fights.

 

 

There are none so blind as those that will not see.

 

http://samedifference1.com/2014/03/20/an-interview-with-jobcentremole-about-dwp-corruption/

 

Why do you try and turn into Oscar Wilde when you think you have set the World to rights?

 

How about thinking up a quote of your own?

[Rincewind]

You are wasting your time becuase you don't bring any better policies to the table.  Labour have the same problem.

I agree I don't care for any party ATM. Douglas Haig made a comment the other day. He saiid the BT was not thought through enough and could cost the Tories the election. I feel a few of the policies were not thought through. Atos, The internet jobsearch work program to name three. But once implemented it is hard for them to back out and admit there were flaws.

I agree the scroungers should be targeted but it is also affecting a greater number of genuine people. And that is what I find wrong.

The ideas might be OK in principle but need more thought and research into the affects they may have on the vulnerable.

I

 

Was that Oscar Wilde Matt? It just surfaced and popped from the depths of my brain.

 

I think that is quite reasonable to think that.I like quotes and wish I had said many of them

[Zingari]

I agree I don't care for any party ATM. Douglas Haig made a comment the other day. He saiid the BT was not thought through enough and could cost the Tories the election. I feel a few of the policies were not thought through. Atos, The internet jobsearch work program to name three. But once implemented it is hard for them to back out and admit there were flaws.

I agree the scroungers should be targeted but it is also affecting a greater number of genuine people. And that is what I find wrong.

The ideas might be OK in principle but need more thought and research into the affects they may have on the vulnerable.

I think that is quite reasonable to think that.

i think it is too 

[Guest MattP]

Was that Oscar Wilde Matt? It just surfaced and popped from the depths of my brain.

 

I think that is quite reasonable to think that.I like quotes and wish I had said many of them

 

No it wasn't Oscar Wilde.

 

Your views that "scroungers should be targetted" is laughable when you openly mock the taxpayer that he is paying for your boozing sessions while he is working despite being perfectly capable of earning your own keep.

[Dr The Singh]

Rincewind, by continuously posting the same shit, your actually making me dislike homeless people and have less empathy or sympathy towards them!!!

[Guest MattP]

Rincewind, by continuously posting the same shit, your actually making me dislike homeless people and have less empathy or sympathy towards them!!!

 

x2.

 

And that's coming from someone who had no problem using them as toilets before.

[Rincewind]

Rincewind, by continuously posting the same shit, your actually making me dislike homeless people and have less empathy or sympathy towards them!!!

So the less you know about the pitfalls they face the more you are aware of the pitfalls they face?

 

Seems I have been looking at it the wrong way.

 

[Stadt]

The fact if the matter is homeless people don't think outside of the box.

[Charl91]

So the less you know about the pitfalls they face the more you are aware of the pitfalls they face?

 

Seems I have been looking at it the wrong way.

 

 

When the biggest problem they have is being 'patronised' by surveys trying to help them, then I think, "hey, maybe their problems aren't so bad after all".

[Rincewind]

Would you like to be spoken down to and considered thick and not being allowed to fill a form in by yourself?

[MooseBreath]

If a person is not from Leicester they will be refused accommodation.

Still trotting out this lie even after you posted a document that proved it isn't true I see.

[Rincewind]

What I am saying is if you do not have a local connection you would not be considered as high priority. There have been cases where people have been picked up by the police and moved out of the area. prority goes to women with young children, victims of domestic violence and those whose house id unfit to live in. The information is available on the Shelter and Council website. If you have proof of it being otherwise please show it. I do not appreciate being called a liar when I have seen documents to show it is correct.

 

If you don't have a local connection

If you don't have a local connection, the council has to consider if you have a local connection with another council's area. If it decides that you do, it can refer you to the council for that area for help instead, providing your household is not at risk of violence there. However, the council doesn't have to send you to another area, even if it is allowed to. The council you applied to may still be willing to house you.

If the council wants to refer you to another council, it has to inform you in writing. The decision letter must explain the reasons for the decision. It must also inform you that you have a right to request a review of the decision within 21 days.

[Strokes]

Beggers being choosers?

[Charl91]

Would you like to be spoken down to and considered thick and not being allowed to fill a form in by yourself?

 

I think if I didn't have a house, I would have much bigger problems to worry about. I probably wouldn't care in the slightest.

[Saxondale]

The irony about all this shit is that, prior to your radicalisation, most people would have, on the face of it, considered DNO to be a worthy cause.

As a result of all this weird preaching, they're coming to cross to me (and, I suspect, other people) as a set of petty, vindictive, incompetent clowns with enormous chips on their shoulders and a very loose grasp of reality.

[Haydos]

Would you like to be spoken down to and considered thick and not being allowed to fill a form in by yourself?

 

But a lot of people are going to require help. You have to ask if they could do it themselves then why haven't they by now. It's not patronising if it's true Ken.

[Rincewind]

I think if I didn't have a house, I would have much bigger problems to worry about. I probably wouldn't care in the slightest.

I meant now if you went to somewhere to sign papers. Homeless people are human too.