Saxondale Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 If I do not like a subject in a thread I do not open it or make snide remarks in it. Yes you do. Why would you even try and claim that?
Guest MattP Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 If I do not like a subject in a thread I do not open it or make snide remarks in it. We all have that choice.
Darkon84 Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 In a rather stupid, incredibly drunken mistake at the weekend in Barca, I gave a homeless guy 10 Euros. The cnut wasn't even thankful. Felt like giving him a kicking .
Jon the Hat Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 I would like to reiterate how stupid i think that Blog post was. Really mindnumbingly stupid. Some people really dont think before they type.
Guest MattP Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 He's should be in court for the first sentence charged with something or other. You are very lucky to be reading this blog post. There are lies, damn lies, and then absolute whoppers, that is in the latter.
Jon the Hat Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 He's should be in court for the first sentence charged with something or other. Their are lies, damn lies, and then absolute whoppers, that is in the latter. Seriously stuff like this makes me doubt the credibility of DNO entirely. They should rethink their media strategy. I am sure they have a media strategist - charities always do.
Zingari Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 He's should be in court for the first sentence charged with something or other. Their are lies, damn lies, and then absolute whoppers, that is in the latter. Read the bit about where she says she wouldn't feel safe with some men in a dark field and then google image her name
Guest MattP Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Seriously stuff like this makes me doubt the credibility of DNO entirely. They should rethink their media strategy. I am sure they have a media strategist - charities always do. It's Ken isn't it? Read the bit about where she says she wouldn't feel safe with some men in a dark field and then google image her name Hmmmmm. Has a tramp ever been raped?
FoxesAreBlue Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Read the bit about where she says she wouldn't feel safe with some men in a dark field and then google image her name I'm guessing she's not the blonde bird with the black beanie on then?
Strokes Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Hmmmmm. Has a tramp ever been raped? Only if you forget to leave a tip.
Rincewind Posted 20 March 2014 Author Posted 20 March 2014 This thread can be closed I think. It amazes me how some people think it is OK to be patronised and spoken to as if you are dumb. i know I would not like it and I assume most on here would not either. I have something else to post but I am dubious to do so given the attitude by some. It is an academic review of Politics of the under-Privileged. They have made several recommendations since from Blairs time in office and subsequent governments have mostly ignored them. Is it worth posting it and if so where?
Jon the Hat Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Perhaps you can show us the evidence of anyone being patronised and talked down to? Aren't you always telling us the homeless often have problems with substance abuse, alcoholism and mental health issues? Sounds like a group of people you might offer help to if you want a questionnaire completing.
Rincewind Posted 20 March 2014 Author Posted 20 March 2014 Perhaps you can show us the evidence of anyone being patronised and talked down to? Aren't you always telling us the homeless often have problems with substance abuse, alcoholism and mental health issues? Sounds like a group of people you might offer help to if you want a questionnaire completing. I also say there are many who do not need help filling out forms. I know the person that wrote the blog and I do not think she would appreciate the insults aimed at her earlier in this thread. The publication I was looking for needs to be downloaded. It is by the Lankelly Foundation and called The Politics of Disadvantage. We reviewed part of it. Rest next week. As I said is academic so hard reading that is not in simple English. Not sure what length it is unless I download it.
Guest MattP Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Can fill out forms ok until it comes to the one they need to do to get housed.
Jon the Hat Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 I also say there are many who do not need help filling out forms. I know the person that wrote the blog and I do not think she would appreciate the insults aimed at her earlier in this thread. The publication I was looking for needs to be downloaded. It is by the Lankelly Foundation and called The Politics of Disadvantage. We reviewed part of it. Rest next week. As I said is academic so hard reading that is not in simple English. Not sure what length it is unless I download it. I believe the phrase is "toughen up princess". You cant have it both ways. Help is available to those who need it- they are not forcing anyone to take the help. There is no suggestion this is a master plan from the council to manipulate the results of their survey. In fact the Blog could be taken as quite offensive to those running the survey. Good point Matt, although of course it would make sense to provide the help in filling out those forms too. I am sure the many volunteer organisation are very good at it by now.
Vardinhio Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 The citizens advice bureau provide support woth filling out all kinds of forms. Furthermore it is not unreasonable for the council to have considered that homeless people as a general rule may perhaps have a lower intelligence level or learning capability than those amongst the housed population. I dare say that statistically this is true and so making sure everyone has a voice should really only be viewed as a positive.
Guest MattP Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Good point Matt, although of course it would make sense to provide the help in filling out those forms too. I am sure the many volunteer organisation are very good at it by now. I've never understood why sitting in a room doing a radio show for the homeless is helping them more than getting up and dragging them off the streets. It's not hard to find them, when i go out in town I see probably ten homeless people a night, get the volunteers to walk around to bring them in and teach them what to do to gain accommodation with regards to the red tape etc, if they refuse the help then there is nothing you can do, you can't help someone who won't help themselves. Most of the stuff I see from these organisations it seems like they are more interested in helping themselves than the people they claim.
Rincewind Posted 21 March 2014 Author Posted 21 March 2014 If a person is not from Leicester they will be refused accommodation. There is the NSNO scheme set up just before Xmas which 'rounds' people up. Even if a person is capable of filling out a form they are told to have somebody fill it in for them. It is not being asked and the assumption that they are thick which is patronising.
Charl91 Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 If a person is not from Leicester they will be refused accommodation. There is the NSNO scheme set up just before Xmas which 'rounds' people up. Even if a person is capable of filling out a form they are told to have somebody fill it in for them. It is not being asked and the assumption that they are thick which is patronising. I think I'd rather be patronised and have somewhere to live though,
The People's Hero Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 If a person is not from Leicester they will be refused accommodation. There is the NSNO scheme set up just before Xmas which 'rounds' people up. Even if a person is capable of filling out a form they are told to have somebody fill it in for them. It is not being asked and the assumption that they are thick which is patronising. I believe the assumption is they cannot because they have not. If they can, why have they not doing it for themselves? By extension to this argument if they do not want to be helped, why waste time helping them? Some of them are like the drunken, ferret wielding, insult throwing Maidstone man. Being homeless is what they do. It's their thing.
The People's Hero Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Also, if you're not beneath begging for money from complete strangers (often to spend on booze/drugs), constantly asking others for help, how can you get offended when offered help filling in a form? You don't have to accept the help.
Zingari Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 This thread can be closed I think. It amazes me how some people think it is OK to be patronised and spoken to as if you are dumb. i know I would not like it and I assume most on here would not either. I have something else to post but I am dubious to do so given the attitude by some. It is an academic review of Politics of the under-Privileged. They have made several recommendations since from Blairs time in office and subsequent governments have mostly ignored them. Is it worth posting it and if so where? Try not to take things too personally. Ken or maybe you are feeling insulted vicariously , i don't know I think she makes a point , but it does seem a bit like an impossible task to get the wording right for everyone and not make at least one or two people offended . We are getting into a right old state of walking on eggshells in case someone is offended. I'm fairly sure sure no offence was intended . I lost a bit of sympathy with her because she couldn't resist the usual wimmin's dig at men . don't get too down about it lad
Zingari Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Bring back bum fights. now you're talking Will there be a super heavyweight division that i can take part in ?
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