Conspiracy Theories

[Babylon]

okay okay

JFK was killed by a lone nut assassin and it all happened just the way they said it did. ............and they all lived happily ever after .

Problem is, there is no concrete evidence. For every person saying x, another says y. It's all guess work, personal interpretation etc.

If you were a ballistics and physics specialist you could probably go and come up with your own conclusions, but you aren't. So you rely on someone else's opinion, you choose to believe those who say conspiracy. Others think it more plausible it's not.

[Rincewind]

Saw a program about the UFO conspiracies and Roswell. The idea they were putting out was that the Americans ex-Nazi scientists who were working on round aeroplanes. They thought this might cause objections so they put severals stories out to the media including UFO's so they could correct the story later on which would then believed. There were several witness statements -several years after - all saying the 'aliens' looked the same but someone made an interesting argument against this. In evolutionary terms we evolved from a single cell and the chances of another life-form from another planet evolving the same way, two arms, two legs,genitalia in the same place was astronomically against.

[Babylon]

the chances of another life-form from another planet evolving the same way, two arms, two legs,genitalia in the same place was astronomically against.

Their fingers were penises though and they shit through their ears.

[I am Rod Hull]

Saw a program about the UFO conspiracies and Roswell. The idea they were putting out was that the Americans ex-Nazi scientists who were working on round aeroplanes. They thought this might cause objections so they put severals stories out to the media including UFO's so they could correct the story later on which would then believed. There were several witness statements -several years after - all saying the 'aliens' looked the same but someone made an interesting argument against this. In evolutionary terms we evolved from a single cell and the chances of another life-form from another planet evolving the same way, two arms, two legs,genitalia in the same place was astronomically against.

[Zingari]

Problem is, there is no concrete evidence. For every person saying x, another says y. It's all guess work, personal interpretation etc.

If you were a ballistics and physics specialist you could probably go and come up with your own conclusions, but you aren't. So you rely on someone else's opinion, you choose to believe those who say conspiracy. Others think it more plausible it's not.

No, I've watched the AZ film over and over listening to both sides of the argument and the magic bullet theory does not hold water and neither does the headshot from the rear. the inconsistencies are overwhelmingly saying two different bullets caused the wounds to JFK and Connelly , and the headshot was from the front right , which of course ties in with the doctors at Parklands and the police officer and brave witnesses running up the hill

but i really don't have your capacity for self repetition of obvious facts so i'll have to let you and and anyone carry on believing whatever crap they want

[Rincewind]

Yeah sure. Another thing. There was a film of an autopsy and the surgeon was holding the scissors wrong, like he was cutting material. Also the skin never reacted like skin when being cut more like rubber and there was somebody looking through a window.

Years ago I had the theory that aliens were already here and living underground at the North Pole. but I have grown up since and moved on. I have learned a lot more and realize that it would be unlikely.

Still it was a nice idea at the time and fueled my imagination. In a way we all want stories that are official to be wrong and the unusual to be true. Makes things more exciting in a otherwise short and dull existence on planet Earth.

[Zingari]

[Babylon]

No, I've watched the AZ film over and over listening to both sides of the argument and the magic bullet theory does not hold water and neither does the headshot from the rear. the inconsistencies are overwhelmingly saying two different bullets caused the wounds to JFK and Connelly , and the headshot was from the front right , which of course ties in with the doctors at Parklands and the police officer and brave witnesses running up the hill

but i really don't have your capacity for self repetition of obvious facts so i'll have to let you and and anyone carry on believing whatever crap they want

And yet when provided with evidence and videos of things acting in a way you think impossible, you pour scorn on it as mumbo jumbo science.

[Zingari]

And yet when provided with evidence and videos of things acting in a way you think impossible, you pour scorn on it as mumbo jumbo science.

When it doesn’t fit in with the obvious facts yes I do

Proving something is “scientifically possible” is not the same thing as proving it to be likely or probable ( I ‘ve gone over this so many times now)

All the so called theoretic “proofs” that the bullet could have behaved in the way Arlen Spectre theorises are just that. Outlandish theories!

One bullet entering JFK from the rear , exiting through his throat , hitting Connelly in the ribs and exiting , then into his wrist , on again into his thigh is absolutely fookin preposterous , because it’s obvious that JFK has already been hit as he is coming from behind the Stemmons freeway sign, and Connelly is obvious not hit until a few frames later.

I really do suggest you watch the AZ film with an open mind as to what you think is the more likely explanation .

Watch it frame by frame and hopefully you'll see what I mean , because you can easily see Connelly is still holding his big white stetson in the hand that has supposedly already been shattered by a bullet .

it just doesn't add up

[OzFox]

If your original query is “why didn’t AZ notice another shooter behind him , then the simple answer to that is that he would have been looking in totally the opposite direction as is surely quite obvious by his film footage .

He also suffered badly with vertigo and needed to be steadied from behind by his secretary so presumably he wasn’t swivelling around looking for other things while he was concentrating on capturing the film footage that he had set out to get .

If you ever find yourself in Dallas, go and stand in that spot. A simple glance to your right will give you a direct view behind the picket fence. It is inconceivable that Zapruder, his secretary and others wouldn't have seen and heard someone firing a rifle 20 or 30 metres away. Seems pretty obvious to me and I guess anyone else that goes there. But I can't say I'm surprised that conspiracists never mention it

[Zingari]

If you ever find yourself in Dallas, go and stand in that spot. A simple glance to your right will give you a direct view behind the picket fence. It is inconceivable that Zapruder, his secretary and others wouldn't have seen and heard someone firing a rifle 20 or 30 metres away. Seems pretty obvious to me and I guess anyone else that goes there. But I can't say I'm surprised that conspiracists never mention it

As I said before they would have been totally engrossed in looking in completely the opposite direction , not gawping behind them looking for would be assassins ( why would they ?)

It’s pretty obvious he didn’t react to the bullets from wherever they came from though isn’t it?

Why would that be any more surprising that he didn’t react to any of the bullets supposedly coming from the TSBD?

I don’t see why you find not reacting to, or noticing a bullet coming from one direction is any different to not reacting to it coming from another. And who knows what type of weapon a sniper to his rear may have used. Possibly a silencer was fitted .

We know that LHO’s Carcano rifle was a noisy old piece of unreliable junk so why didn’t AZ turn around or react to see where those shots were coming from?

In reality the noises from the motorcade, motorcycles, cars, cheering crowds etc would probably have been blocked out by his concentration,

Have you never been so engrossed that all background noise just becomes a cacophony of sound?

and there are witnesses claiming that shots came from that area

[OzFox]

As I said before they would have been totally engrossed in looking in completely the opposite direction , not gawping behind them looking for would be assassins ( why would they ?)

It’s pretty obvious he didn’t react to the bullets from wherever they came from though isn’t it?

Why would that be any more surprising that he didn’t react to any of the bullets supposedly coming from the TSBD?

I don’t see why you find not reacting to, or noticing a bullet coming from one direction is any different to not reacting to it coming from another. And who knows what type of weapon a sniper to his rear may have used. Possibly a silencer was fitted .

We know that LHO’s Carcano rifle was a noisy old piece of unreliable junk so why didn’t AZ turn around or react to see where those shots were coming from?

In reality the noises from the motorcade, motorcycles, cars, cheering crowds etc would probably have been blocked out by his concentration,

Have you never been so engrossed that all background noise just becomes a cacophony of sound?

and there are witnesses claiming that shots came from that area

The TSBD was 100 yds behind him. The picket fence was right next to him, to one side.

The point I'm trying to make and you keep ignoring, is that Zapruder and others just had to glance slightly to their RIGHT to see the supposed assassin. If anything, the fenceline was slightly in front of them. Absolutely no turning required!

Here's a few pics I took in '97. First one is from the plinth looking straight behind the picket fence. Even you would have to admit, you'd have to be blind, deaf and mentally challenged not to notice a bloke banging away with a rifle. Surely?

Second one is my mate behind the picket fence. That's Zapruders plinth behind the back of his head. See how close it is?

Third one is from the side of the fence to the plinth

I don't care how much noise and cacophony there was, there is simply no way that those people wouldn't have noticed a guy setting up and firing a rifle. I think you're deluding yourself if you think otherwise

[OzFox]

By the way, notice the graffiti on the back of the fence. "Conspiracy Theorists Club", "truth Spoken Here". "Fear Your Government" etc.

You sure you haven't been there?

[Zingari]

By the way, notice the graffiti on the back of the fence. "Conspiracy Theorists Club", "truth Spoken Here". "Fear Your Government" etc.

You sure you haven't been there?

, I ve never been there , but i'd really like to go some day if i can fund it , I'd really like to go next year on the 50th anniversary if I could

Do you know if anything is being planned ?

I'm not ignoring you earlier post btw and I do see your point , but there are many witnesses that did see activity around the picket fence and it seems the warren commission saw fit not to include testimonies that contradicted the official line .

Where are the witnesses that saw shots fired from the 6th floor TSBD though , surely this is just as relevant . There are plenty of people standing on the steps of the TSBD as the motorcade went by , surely they would have heard the shots being fired directly above their heads ?

Hypothetically , what would be your reaction if it ever did come out that there had been a massive conspiracy and cover up ?

is it something that you've ever thought about ?

[OzFox]

, I ve never been there , but i'd really like to go some day if i can fund it , I'd really like to go next year on the 50th anniversary if I could

Do you know if anything is being planned ?

I'm not ignoring you earlier post btw and I do see your point , but there are many witnesses that did see activity around the picket fence and it seems the warren commission saw fit not to include testimonies that contradicted the official line .

Where are the witnesses that saw shots fired from the 6th floor TSBD though , surely this is just as relevant . There are plenty of people standing on the steps of the TSBD as the motorcade went by , surely they would have heard the shots being fired directly above their heads ?

Hypothetically , what would be your reaction if it ever did come out that there had been a massive conspiracy and cover up ?

is it something that you've ever thought about ?

More people said the shots came from the TSBD, than from the grassy knoll. It's also pretty well established that the people who rushed up to the fence, did so about a minute after the shooting and only because they saw a policeman running up there.

It's an interesting place to visit. The 6th Floor is now a JFK museum, although don't expect to read much about conspiracies. The actual snipers window and floor have been recreated pretty much as they were on the day. Me and my mate also managed to find the cinema where Oswald got arrested. When I went there I was like you, convinced there was a big conspiracy. But the case for conspiracy gets buried under loads of far fetched, selective bunk. Now I think the official line is a lot more plausible.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if others had knowledge of the plot, but I think Oswald did all the shooting on the day.

[Rincewind]

I always wondered if Oswald was shot for a reason other than Ruby didn't like what he had done. It was very convenient that he (Osawald) did not stand trial. But in the end I just put it down to the craziness of American people so anything is possible.

[OzFox]

''Dallas officials and the Sixth Floor Museum — located in the former Texas School Book Depository where Lee Harvey Oswald fired upon President Kennedy — have announced plans for a large 50th anniversary event in 2013, and are raising $2.2 million in public and private money to restore Dealey Plaza.

Work at Dealy Plaza is scheduled to start no later than October 2012, and planners hope to finish the summer before the anniversary. Improvements include fixing up the pergolas, making the grassy knoll accessible to handicapped people and adding historical signs"

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/22/nation/la-na-dallas-jfk-20111122

[Zingari]

More people said the shots came from the TSBD, than from the grassy knoll. It's also pretty well established that the people who rushed up to the fence, did so about a minute after the shooting and only because they saw a policeman running up there.

It's an interesting place to visit. The 6th Floor is now a JFK museum, although don't expect to read much about conspiracies. The actual snipers window and floor have been recreated pretty much as they were on the day. Me and my mate also managed to find the cinema where Oswald got arrested. When I went there I was like you, convinced there was a big conspiracy. But the case for conspiracy gets buried under loads of far fetched, selective bunk. Now I think the official line is a lot more plausible.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if others had knowledge of the plot, but I think Oswald did all the shooting on the day.

Lucky bloke Oz you've really made me want to go so much now .

Did you get to speak to Gary Mack ? (if he's still in charge there ) I've been told he tells quite a different story from the official line if you can get him to speak privately about it

Were you actually allowed to see the view from the window ? I've been told you can't access the area and I've also been told you can't actually see where President's limo was without leaning right out of the window.

edit ;

i'm not or never have said that shots weren't fired from the TSBD , What i've doubted, and still do is if shots were fired from somewhere else as well .

[OzFox]

Lucky bloke Oz you've really made me want to go so much now .

Did you get to speak to Gary Mack ? (if he's still in charge there ) I've been told he tells quite a different story from the official line if you can get him to speak privately about it

Were you actually allowed to see the view from the window ? I've been told you can't access the area and I've also been told you can't actually see where President's limo was without leaning right out of the window.

edit ;

i'm not or never have said that shots weren't fired from the TSBD , What i've doubted, and still do is if shots were fired from somewhere else as well .

No didn't meet the owner. I remember being surprised that there was hardly any mention of a conspiracy in the museum. Must have been a touchy subject after the movie came out. Might have changed now though.

The window in the corner was cordoned off with clear perspex, and they'd stacked up boxes exactly as they were in original police photographs with a rifle and shell cases on the floor. You could stand in an adjacent window I think and get the view down onto the street. Looks like it's still the same. These are from their website

One thing that always puzzled me was why Oswald didn't take the easy shot as JFK was coming head on down Houston, rather than wait until the car had passed by. Either there was another shooter and they wanted to increase their chances with a crossfire, or Oswald just bottled it!

Apparently not that long ago you could do a tour in a replica open top limo. They drove you on the same route, and as you reached the grassy knoll they played the sound of gunfire and screams thru the car stereo, and your driver went racing off to Parkland hospital. Tasteless but would have been great to do it

[Zingari]

We should meet up next year on the anniversary and argue the toss about it while we walked around and did these gruesome tours OZ

I’d be worried about my safety though

[OzFox]

We should meet up next year on the anniversary and argue the toss about it while we walked around and did these gruesome tours OZ

I’d be worried about my safety though

Yeah that would be a laugh actually. I'd make you stand on that bloody plinth for a start

[Zingari]

Yeah that would be a laugh actually. I'd make you stand on that bloody plinth for a start

nice one

[sphericalfox]

Their fingers were penises though and they shit through their ears.

Only from Coalville though

[Daggers]

Who is going to be responsible for the disaster this summer?

[I am Rod Hull]

Who is going to be responsible for the disaster this summer?

Zionists Muslims.