NewburyFox Posted 14 August 2014 Posted 14 August 2014 What also has made a difference in people's differing reactions to Peaches and Robin is that Peaches had two very young children who were relying on her, and she was careless and, dare I say it, selfish enough to overdose on heroin. Williams on the other hand didn't have those responsibilities as much as his children have grown up, and the public's immediate reaction was one of 'how can someone who has spent his life making people laugh be so depressed that they will take their life as a way out.'
fox123 Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 As Ernest Hemmingway once wrote... The World breaks everyone, and afterward, some are strong at the broken places. Unfortunately, Robin Williams wasn't strong at his lowest.
OzFox Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 Depression, cocaine, alcohol and the early stages of Parkinson's disease That's enough to make anyone snap
Jon the Hat Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 Depression, cocaine, alcohol and the early stages of Parkinson's disease That's enough to make anyone snap This isn't about snapping. I doubt very much this was some spur of the moment decision. When you are in a place that dark, it seems eminently sensible to take your own life. By all accounts it appears as the light at the end of the tunnel.
Guest Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 Alan Brazil says that he "has no sympathy for Robin Williams". What a **** that man is. Hopefully Talk Sport see this as a reason to finally sack him. Stan Collymore is going ballistic at him on Twitter and rightly so. alan Brazil was a depressing player. Everybody felt depressed after watching him.
Rincewind Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 This isn't about snapping. I doubt very much this was some spur of the moment decision. When you are in a place that dark, it seems eminently sensible to take your own life. By all accounts it appears as the light at the end of the tunnel. I sort of disagree. Snapping does not have to be an out of the blue action. It is something when the emotions are held back. It maybe trying to keep strong for your family. Hiding what you really feel. Robin Williams would have been like that. He was known for his comedy so was expected to be smiling all the time. Peaches Guildolf had a young family and needed to care for them and not show how she was feeling to them and others. Many other people have worries in their life from debt to relationships they hold back to be strong because it is expected of them. Then one day all what they have been holding back comes to the front of their mind and that is when they snap.
David Guiza Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 I don't think Robin Williams did hide away though, the Parkinsons perhaps yes, but his drink/drug and depression problems had been public for a while. Nobody expected what happened, but I do think it's a little harsh to say that he held his emotions back.
Fox92 Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 The public don't have sympathy for young troubled mothers. Robin Williams was funny. That's the difference. I don't have sympathy for Williams. He had everything, I bet every poster on this forum would love to have the riches he had in his life. I wasn't a massive fan, and honestly when I heard it on the news I didn't even know who they were talking about. That said, I don't watch many films so that's the reason. A lot of people have addictions, people on the street, yet when they die it's just washed away. "Another one with a stupid addiction". It's amazing to see all these comments when someone dies. I read a comment saying "he was the wittiest comedian ever". That's rubbish.
Jon the Hat Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 I don't have sympathy for Williams. He had everything, I bet every poster on this forum would love to have the riches he had in his life. I wasn't a massive fan, and honestly when I heard it on the news I didn't even know who they were talking about. That said, I don't watch many films so that's the reason. A lot of people have addictions, people on the street, yet when they die it's just washed away. "Another one with a stupid addiction". It's amazing to see all these comments when someone dies. I read a comment saying "he was the wittiest comedian ever". That's rubbish. The riches, the success, they dont matter in the face of depression. Depression is like Cancer - it can happen to anyone.
Fox92 Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 The riches, the success, they dont matter in the face of depression. Depression is like Cancer - it can happen to anyone. Oh yeah, I'm not doubting that. You know, money doesn't buy happiness I get all that. But it's just interesting to see the comparisons when death occurs with people on two different scales.
Haydos Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 The public don't have sympathy for young troubled mothers. Robin Williams was funny. That's the difference. One was depressed and although took drugs fought with his problems, inspired and touched millions, left behind a legacy and finally succumbed to his depression and committed suicide. The other was a junkie who gave up, who left behind young children, who did nothing of note and died of a smack overdose. Fvck off with your quirky, hippy bollocks. Jesus Christ.
Samilktray Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 I hope these perfect people with 'No sympathy', never have to suffer from, watch someone go through or lose somebody close, to mental problems or depression.
Fox92 Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 I hope these perfect people with 'No sympathy', never have to suffer from, watch someone go through or lose somebody close, to mental problems or depression. If that was part-aimed at me because I said "no sympathy", then you fvck off considering I watched a family member suffer and then die from Alzheimers.
Tom17LCFC Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 I don't have sympathy for Williams. He had everything, I bet every poster on this forum would love to have the riches he had in his life. I wasn't a massive fan, and honestly when I heard it on the news I didn't even know who they were talking about. That said, I don't watch many films so that's the reason. A lot of people have addictions, people on the street, yet when they die it's just washed away. "Another one with a stupid addiction". It's amazing to see all these comments when someone dies. I read a comment saying "he was the wittiest comedian ever". That's rubbish. how can't you have sympathy for someone in such a state that the only plausible way out they saw was to take their own life. I can't even begin to imagine.
Fox92 Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 how can't you have sympathy for someone in such a state that the only plausible way out they saw was to take their own life. I can't even begin to imagine. I'm not getting into a mass debate. But there are thousands/millions of people around the World in his state. Do you feel sorry for random person living homeless in the street?
Tom17LCFC Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 I'm not getting into a mass debate. But there are thousands/millions of people around the World in his state. Do you feel sorry for random person living homeless in the street? what a ridiculous point. I don't have sympathy for him because he was famous and funny, I have sympathy for him because he was suffering from this horrible horrible illness. I feel for people suffering from depression regardless of their background or social standing.
Guest MattP Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 One was depressed and although took drugs fought with his problems, inspired and touched millions, left behind a legacy and finally succumbed to his depression and committed suicide. The other was a junkie who gave up, who left behind young children, who did nothing of note and died of a smack overdose. Nail on head I think here. I'm not getting into a mass debate. But there are thousands/millions of people around the World in his state. Do you feel sorry for random person living homeless in the street? I know a man who does.
Fox92 Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 MattP I knew you'd post something like that! what a ridiculous point. I don't have sympathy for him because he was famous and funny, I have sympathy for him because he was suffering from this horrible horrible illness. I feel for people suffering from depression regardless of their background or social standing. I don't think I was making a point, I just asked a question. He suffered from depression, he was addicted to drugs (this is from what I've read), in which, there are millions of people Worldwide feeling the same thing. Most of them have much less than Williams had. As above, I know that's not everything as money doesn't guarantee happiness, but I can never comprehend when someone with everything commits suicide. Do I feel sorry for him? No. Call me horrible all you want. As always with suicide, it's his family I feel for the most. Aren't his children young? But this argument can revolve for ever, whoever the person is, so there is no point in really carrying on like this.
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 The drivel and armchair psychology in this thread is making me depressed, none of you were in their shoes, none of you know what they were going through so think you should all pipe down with your opinions on who's suicide deserves more sympathy.
Haydos Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 MattP I knew you'd post something like that! I don't think I was making a point, I just asked a question. He suffered from depression, he was addicted to drugs (this is from what I've read), in which, there are millions of people Worldwide feeling the same thing. Most of them have much less than Williams had. As above, I know that's not everything as money doesn't guarantee happiness, but I can never comprehend when someone with everything commits suicide. Do I feel sorry for him? No. Call me horrible all you want. As always with suicide, it's his family I feel for the most. Aren't his children young? But this argument can revolve for ever, whoever the person is, so there is no point in really carrying on like this. If you somehow (and god only knows how) don't know who Robin Wiliiams is, how can you comment on how 'witty' he is? Maybe you should watch some of his stand up and find out. His children weren't young, no, he was 63 years old and had battled addiction and depression for a lot of his life. Also it seems to be coming out now that he was in the early stages of Parkinsons. Feel free to judge someone you don't know anything about all you like.
Fox92 Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 If you somehow (and god only knows how) don't know who Robin Wiliiams is, how can you comment on how 'witty' he is? Maybe you should watch some of his stand up and find out. His children weren't young, no, he was 63 years old and had battled addiction and depression for a lot of his life. Also it seems to be coming out now that he was in the early stages of Parkinsons. Feel free to judge someone you don't know anything about all you like. I don't get why some of you get so protective. Point out where I "judged" him? I was making a comparison to normal working class people, people who live with this sort of thing every day. I was not judging him in anyway. A lot of celebrities, in film, in music, seem to battle with someone at one point in their life.
Haydos Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 I don't get why some of you get so protective. Point out where I "judged" him? I was making a comparison to normal working class people, people who live with this sort of thing every day. I was not judging him in anyway. A lot of celebrities, in film, in music, seem to battle with someone at one point in their life. Well you've formed an opinion about someone who you openly admit to knowing nothing about, that's judging. It also seems to have been formed based on things like thinking his children are young. I'm defensive because he was one of my favourite actors growing up and a big part of my childhood and you're knocking people with mental illnesses. ANd why would you compare his situation to someone not famous? People that aren't famous commit suicide too, but they're not in the public eye so obviously you're not going to hear about every one. I'm not sure how valid these stats are as they aren't sourced on the website... Up to 15% of those who are clinically depressed die by suicide. In 1997, suicide was the 8th leading cause of death in the United States. 10.6 out of every 100,000 persons died by suicide.
Fox92 Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 Yeah, I'm not debating those facts. I'm not knocking mental illnesses, believe me, and I didn't suggest that in any of my posts. Likewise, I didn't knock Williams or his death. The only thing I said, and my point, is that I don't feel sympathy for him.
Rincewind Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 It takes someone famous taling their own lives to hilight what is going on. in the last two or three years there has been an increase in the number of disabled people taking there own lives many citing changes in the benefit system Atos as a reasing for not coping but these stories have not hit the national press. Just recently there was an inquest on a woman who walked in front of a lorry on thw M6 a year ago leaving a note saying the extra in BT drove her to it. While that is debatable it does show that it takes a big name to commit suicide before people say it can happen to anyone but because she was not well known her reasons could be ignored or even mocked.
Haydos Posted 15 August 2014 Posted 15 August 2014 It takes someone famous taling their own lives to hilight what is going on. in the last two or three years there has been an increase in the number of disabled people taking there own lives many citing changes in the benefit system Atos as a reasing for not coping but these stories have not hit the national press. Just recently there was an inquest on a woman who walked in front of a lorry on thw M6 a year ago leaving a note saying the extra in BT drove her to it. While that is debatable it does show that it takes a big name to commit suicide before people say it can happen to anyone but because she was not well known her reasons could be ignored or even mocked. People who commit suicide by walking in front of trains/cars/whatever and traumatising many other people are cvnts, pure and simple. Other than that how are you managing to bring this rubbish up in this thread of all places? Mental illness is less taboo now that it has ever been and Robin Williams' death is not 'bringing it to light', people are just mourning him because he is well known. What is your point?
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