davieG Posted 17 September 2014 Posted 17 September 2014 Reform chaotic transfer system for sake of English players - Dyke Football Association chairman Greg Dyke has said reforming the "chaotic" transfer system will increase opportunities for English players. On Tuesday, the FA sent out its first draft of proposals to reduce the number of non-EU players within English football by up to 50%. "The present system is chaotic," Dyke told BBC Sport. "There are mediocre players that come and take squad places - those could be filled by young English players." Proposed rule changes have been sent to the Premier League, the Football League and the players' and managers' unions. The FA hopes a new system can be in place for the 2015-16 season. "Eighty per cent of the players that come in from outside of the EU come in on appeal, where the manager goes along with a video and shows it to a committee and they say, "well, he looks a good player". "We want to get rid of that subjective part and say you either meet these criteria or you don't." Up until the end of last season, 122 non-EU players had entered English football since 2009. "I think what we hope will happen is roughly half the number of players that are now coming from outside the EU won't be able to get in here," added the former BBC director general. "It's not vast numbers. But if you think 30-a-year won't come, won't be in squads, it means places for English kids in the squads." Greg Dyke on the proposals What we hope will happen is roughly half the number of players that are now coming from outside the EU won't be able to get in here. Asked whether the Premier League clubs would oppose the proposal, Dyke said: "The analysis we've done says we're not bringing in the best talent. "There's quite a lot of players coming in who aren't the elite. They come and they take squad places - often they only stay a year or two. Some are going into the Football League. "We've already talked to the Football League and Premier League. They're going to set up groups to look at it." On B teams In 2013, Dyke helped set up an FA Commission - made up of experienced figures in the industry - to look at the state of the English game at club and national level. One of the proposals was the creation of a new tier within the Football League for Premier League B teams. Twenty of the 25 players in the squad would have to qualify for the home-grown rule and no non-EU players would be allowed. "We're still discussing with the Football League and others about some possibilities about how to introduce B teams. We'll see what happens," Dyke said. "I think B teams in a competitive environment is still a possibility." Following the disappointment of the World Cup, Dyke said he was confident coach Roy Hodgson was building for the future. England began their Euro 2016 qualification campaign with a 2-0 win in Switzerland. The starting XI featured seven players under the age of 25. "I think obviously he will play some younger players in the next qualifier against San Marino, and look to two years time and bring in younger players." On Sepp Blatter Dyke said Blatter was too old to stand again for the Fifa presidency. The FA chairman criticised the Swiss this summer for labelling the British media as racist, after they reported allegations of corruption surrounding Qatar's victory to host the 2022 World Cup. "My position - and the FA's position - on Sepp Blatter is that there should be a competition," he added, after former Fifa deputy general secretary Jerome Champagne announced his decision to stand against the Swiss. "I think he'll probably win. He's not doing the right thing. [He] said four years ago, 'I'm not standing again' and got elected on that basis. "Sometimes in this world you have to let younger men have their time and I think seeing old men standing at the age of 78 for another four years is a mistake."
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 17 September 2014 Posted 17 September 2014 They won't be young English players taking their places, they'll be cheap players from the EU. Near pointless initiative.
Dan Posted 17 September 2014 Posted 17 September 2014 I love how he claims that it's being taken by mediocre non-EU players as if there's a better English alternative. Classic English response. It's everyone's fault but our own. We're a joke.
act smiley Posted 17 September 2014 Posted 17 September 2014 Should the appeals process be more for situations where a player has just broken through or has missed games through injury? Sure. But the problem is the pressure for instant hits, signing players already proven abroad is merely a symptom.
ousefox Posted 17 September 2014 Posted 17 September 2014 So not bringing in non-EU players will suddenly make English players more talented? Yes they might get more of a chance at first team football at the highest level, but that isn't going to automatically make them better players. If they're good enough to play for England in the future, they wouldn't be shoved out of the squad for non-EU players anyway. The only impact this is likely to have is to reduce the quality of the Premier League as a whole.
linemakers Posted 17 September 2014 Posted 17 September 2014 If premier teams are allowed b teams in the football league it will mean a lot of smaller teams will fold, and what happens if say man city b are top of the championship, will they be allowed to play with two teams in the prem. Not a good idea
Corky Posted 17 September 2014 Posted 17 September 2014 "Eighty per cent of the players that come in from outside of the EU come in on appeal, where the manager goes along with a video and shows it to a committee and they say, "well, he looks a good player". "We want to get rid of that subjective part and say you either meet these criteria or you don't." How is that any different to trying out young English players based on a few Academy games and maybe a loan spell at a lower club? It's all subjective, you don't have to have 50 international caps and play for top foreign clubs and not be a good player. Look at Ulloa for example, what an impact he's had at Brighton in the Championship and now in the Premier League.
Jordan Posted 17 September 2014 Posted 17 September 2014 Non-EU work permit rules are already more strict in the UK than they are in, say, Spain and France, and I don't quite see how these proposals do anything to fix any "problems." How is that any different to trying out young English players based on a few Academy games and maybe a loan spell at a lower club? It's all subjective, you don't have to have 50 international caps and play for top foreign clubs and not be a good player. Look at Ulloa for example, what an impact he's had at Brighton in the Championship and now in the Premier League. While I get your main point, it is worth specifically noting that Ulloa has a Spanish passport, so he wouldn't be considered a "non-EU" player.
Guest MattP Posted 17 September 2014 Posted 17 September 2014 They won't be young English players taking their places, they'll be cheap players from the EU. Near pointless initiative. Spot on, whilst we are in the EU any sort of employment restrictions are pretty much useless.
Corky Posted 17 September 2014 Posted 17 September 2014 While I get your main point, it is worth specifically noting that Ulloa has a Spanish passport, so he wouldn't be considered a "non-EU" player. I know Ulloa would be fine, just couldn't think of an example off the top of my head (which probably suggests this crisis isn't as bad as made out).
Guest MattP Posted 17 September 2014 Posted 17 September 2014 I know Ulloa would be fine, just couldn't think of an example off the top of my head (which probably suggests this crisis isn't as bad as made out). Ross McCormack on Friday if Scotland votes Yes
Captain... Posted 18 September 2014 Posted 18 September 2014 So not bringing in non-EU players will suddenly make English players more talented? It's not about the talent of the English players, it is the cheap alternative, we don't use sweat shops in China because English people aren't good enough to do the work, it is because they are much cheaper. Same principle, you take a punt on some African or Asian youngster with a lot of talent, might cost you a million, take a punt on a British youngster, it could cost you £15 million. You are better off signing 10 cheap foreigners with the likelihood that one will make it, than spending the same amount on 1 British kid that has been ridiculously overvalued.
harpendenfox Posted 18 September 2014 Posted 18 September 2014 Transfers only sanctioned if a 'little gift' is given to the FA perhaps?
VLC86 Posted 18 September 2014 Posted 18 September 2014 Bloody lezzers have always got a bee in their bonnet about something
Steven Posted 18 September 2014 Posted 18 September 2014 Remove English players from being counted in the FFP rules.
VLC86 Posted 18 September 2014 Posted 18 September 2014 Remove English players from being counted in the FFP rules. Will do wonders for the astronomical price of English players that....
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