Fox Ulike Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 I don't need to defend Martin George one bit, his record itself does that. When he came into the club we were one kick from being relegated to Division Three, when he left we had just won a major Cup, were mid table in the Premier League and were about to play Atletico Madrid in the UEFA Cup. I'm finding this whole argument of 'people watch it so we have to go there to share it' quite ridiculous. I watch many foreign sports, AFL, IPL - I don't feel the teams who play in these leagues should be under any obligation to come to England just because I watch it. Don't you think it's also rather offensive to the people of these countries actually trying hard to build their own football teams and leagues as well, we march in steal the support and money leaving them little chance of doing that just to make the already billionaire owners of our clubs even richer? Yeah but not everybody in the World thinks like you do. That's the point you're struggling with: "Other people". And no, I think 'offensive' is completely the wrong word. I'm sure the Leicester Riders BBall team aren't offended by the NBA coming to London. They probably appreciate the attention that it gives their sport. They probably organise coach trips.
Manwell Pablo Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 Isn't it obvious? All football clubs in Britain apart from the elite that already dominate the financial side of the game. It gives Man Utd more money to splash on 360k a week for Falcao and 60mil for Di Maria etc. Even we get slightly richer from it ourselves the financial imbalance will still grow between us and the top sides as a result of it. In terms of the top flight I'd say everyone apart from Man Utd and Liverpool would get poorer from this. And there we go. Amazing what can happen if you've got more than 2 brain cells rattling around in your head aint it.
BigMicky Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 No it clearly says "stop being greedy and share". If your not talking about live football what exactly are you talking about Michael? Do you not support it then? So basically you've been WUMING all day? I've just questioned all of your statements and tried to ascertain everyone's reasoning. Some are from a fairness point of view, others are based on we dont want "them" having our game.
Fox Ulike Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 Do you really think the intention of this is because the EPL heirachy thinks it's a nice thing to do? We'll see how nice you think it is if we end up playing an away game in Thailand that was supposed to be at the King Power that sees us up against 80,000 screaming Liverpool fans that we lose 1-0 that sends us down by a point. I don't really care what the EPL hierarchy think. I think it's a nice thing. But i'm just like that. Your scenario of 80,000 screaming Liverpool fans was quite convincing.... but remember that it's only in your head.
BigMicky Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 Do you really think the intention of this is because the EPL heirachy thinks it's a nice thing to do? We'll see how nice you think it is if we end up playing an away game in Thailand that was supposed to be at the King Power that sees us up against 80,000 screaming Liverpool fans that we lose 1-0 that sends us down by a point. Whereas its a given if we were at the king power that we wouldn't get beaten.
Raj Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 fook sake mods close this fooking thread for fooks sake....no wonder people dont come back here for years ...wheres that Zingari???
Burbo17J2 Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 No Dan that's not double standards. Keep trying though.Yes Big Mickey it is double standards. Keep trying though
Fox Ulike Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 Isn't it obvious? All football clubs in Britain apart from the elite that already dominate the financial side of the game. It gives Man Utd more money to splash on 360k a week for Falcao and 60mil for Di Maria etc. Even we get slightly richer from it ourselves the financial imbalance will still grow between us and the top sides as a result of it. In terms of the top flight I'd say everyone apart from Man Utd and Liverpool would get poorer from this. Ah OK. (no it wasn't obvious). So we'll be able to bring even better players into the Premier League. And that's a bad thing why? The financial imbalance already exists. And yes playing games abroad will probably slightly enhance this. But I think the cultural and social benefits for other countries of having the EPL out-weigh this rather parochial consideration.
Guest MattP Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 And there we go. Amazing what can happen if you've got more than 2 brain cells rattling around in your head aint it. The intelligence of the writing on this board has rapidly diminished since we got into the Premier League and that's saying something as it was appalling at times last season. Whereas its a given if we were at the king power that we wouldn't get beaten. Play the percentages Michael, that's what all successful sportsman and teams manage to do and do well, I very much doubt the comeback against Man Utd could have happened anywhere but on our own turf. You don't give any advantage away in sport no matter 'how nice' you want to be to people.
Manwell Pablo Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 Ah OK. (no it wasn't obvious). So we'll be able to bring even better players into the Premier League. And that's a bad thing why? The financial imbalance already exists. And yes playing games abroad will probably slightly enhance this. But I think the cultural and social benefits for other countries of having the EPL out-weigh this rather parochial consideration. It really was
Manwell Pablo Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 I've just questioned all of your statements and tried to ascertain everyone's reasoning. Some are from a fairness point of view, others are based on we dont want "them" having our game. No you've told us to share our game. That's not just questioning our reasoning. That's a statement showing support for playing the game abroad.
Guest MattP Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 Ah OK. (no it wasn't obvious). So we'll be able to bring even better players into the Premier League. And that's a bad thing why? The financial imbalance already exists. And yes playing games abroad will probably slightly enhance this. But I think the cultural and social benefits for other countries of having the EPL out-weigh this rather parochial consideration. It really really was. It won't mean we can bring better players into the PL at all, we already pay the highest wages in Europe, just means we'll pay out more for the same standard of players. Everyone who doesn't want to play for Real and Barca is ready to come here for a big wedge of cash already without this. The strange this about this post is you seem to actually acknowledge that the gap will get bigger between us and the top sides but still want to be on the side of it?
BigMicky Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 No you've told us to share our game. That's not just questioning our reasoning. That's a statement showing support for playing the game abroad. A good afternoons wumming
Manwell Pablo Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 Ah OK. (no it wasn't obvious). So we'll be able to bring even better players into the Premier League. And that's a bad thing why? The financial imbalance already exists. And yes playing games abroad will probably slightly enhance this. But I think the cultural and social benefits for other countries of having the EPL out-weigh this rather parochial consideration. What Cultural or Social are they then.
Fox Ulike Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 It really really was. It won't mean we can bring better players into the PL at all, we already pay the highest wages in Europe, just means we'll pay out more for the same standard of players. Everyone who doesn't want to play for Real and Barca is ready to come here for a big wedge of cash already without this. The strange this about this post is you seem to actually acknowledge that the gap will get bigger between us and the top sides but still want to be on the side of it? It really really wasn't. I tell you what would be a good idea then. What about playing Champions League games outside of Europe? In terms of self-interest, we can't compete with the big teams anyway. So it's not really going to affect us negatively. However since we're in the Prem and eg Forest and Derby (Ferby) aren't, it would grow the gap between us and Ferby.
Manwell Pablo Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 A good afternoons wumming We've had better. It really really wasn't. I tell you what would be a good idea then. What about playing Champions League games outside of Europe? In terms of self-interest, we can't compete with the big teams anyway. So it's not really going to affect us negatively. However since we're in the Prem and eg Forest and Derby (Ferby) aren't, it would grow the gap between us and Ferby. Odd everyone got it apart from you.
Captain... Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 For those that are comparing it to American sports, there isn't the same home advantage in NFL or NBA, they aren't teams they are franchises they don't really have partizan crowds. The reason why the premier league is more popular than NFL and NBA is partly due to the crowds, and the atmosphere, by taking it to another country we are losing a key USP. Do you remember the atmosphere when we played Everton in Thailand? It was horrendous. After a few games of being fleeced for a lackluster game with no atmosphere and tired players in unfamiliar conditions playing risk free damage limitation football, with no atmosphere to motivate the players, interest will soon wane. The atmosphere from the United match was clear through the TV, and that drives the players on to perform above and beyond.
Fox Ulike Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 What Cultural or Social are they then. Give me a break! Work it out for yourself or ask someone
Manwell Pablo Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 Give me a break! Work it out for yourself or ask someone I don't need to, there aren't any!
Captain... Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 It really really wasn't. I tell you what would be a good idea then. What about playing Champions League games outside of Europe? In terms of self-interest, we can't compete with the big teams anyway. So it's not really going to affect us negatively. However since we're in the Prem and eg Forest and Derby (Ferby) aren't, it would grow the gap between us and Ferby. Anything that didn't compromise the integrity of the league would get more backing from fans.
Fox Ulike Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 We've had better. Odd everyone got it apart from you. "everyone" being you and MattP. Sorry but I only skim read your posts to try and cut out all the crap
Guest MattP Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 It really really wasn't. I tell you what would be a good idea then. What about playing Champions League games outside of Europe? In terms of self-interest, we can't compete with the big teams anyway. So it's not really going to affect us negatively. However since we're in the Prem and eg Forest and Derby (Ferby) aren't, it would grow the gap between us and Ferby. Again, why? Why should teams who in the Champions League move their home games? There is no basis for your logic here whatsoever. And the sides in the CL are too powerful anyway, they wouldn't agree to it, they'll just force little fixtures for them like at home to Leicester to be played abroad so they can make more money. So you acknowledge we already can't compete and are far poorer than everyone else so we should go along with doing something that would annoy our fans, lose a home game, make it more difficult for us on the pitch and increase the gap in wealth away from us anyway? Nope, you are not selling this idea to me at all. I'm out. We've had better. Least he's admitted he's on the wind up, Fox Ulike genuinely seems to support this.
Manwell Pablo Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 "everyone" being you and MattP. Sorry but I only skim read your posts to try and cut out all the crap Well Dan had plus oned Matt's post in in seconds and the other WUM didn't exactly come to your aid did he, nor has anyone else for that matter. Besides all that, it is painfully obvious.
MooseBreath Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 I'm not massively bothered by this as it would just be like any other away game that I'm not going to. Football is already rampantly commercialised, it's not as if this would make a lot of difference. None the less it makes more sense to keep the games here to maintain the integrity of the league and also to attract fans based abroad to come and see games over here. If there's enough support abroad then summer tournaments are the way to go. I've no problem with them at all, and if they manage to build some importance so that teams take the competitions seriously and fans get properly involved then that's great. More than happy for Leicester to compete in important overseas competitions, less keen on exporting domestic competitions overseas.
Dan Posted 16 October 2014 Posted 16 October 2014 I've just questioned all of your statements and tried to ascertain everyone's reasoning. Some are from a fairness point of view, others are based on we dont want "them" having our game. Why would any English football fan want their game given away? I have nothing against people in other countries adding to it. Taking it? Fvck off.
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